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CodeGuy wrote:The **include** method doesn't work very well if you want to keep your rants in your archives.
Leaving rants in archives is... Well, egotistical. I'm not sure anyone would actually read them. Compared to the comic itself, the rants are more effort for less reward, not nearly as interesting and would do little but slow down the reading of the story. I've seen archived rants about how the next week's comics might be late. That's not exactly worth the time to read it when the late comics are in the archive anyway.

It just all seems to me like people do it because it's Done rather than actually having anything like a good reason to do it, as Penny Arcade does (as an example).

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Post by CodeGuy »

Egotistical? Only if the rants are egotistical themselves.

Again, Count Your Sheep is a good example. The coments that Adis puts with each comic are an interesting little insight into the development of the comic. Mac Hall and Penny Arcade also archive the things that are written up for each comic. If the comics are referencing something topical, it can definitely be good to read the suplamental info in their comments.

But I'm getting off topic. *Every* comic certainly doesn't need this functionality, it's just one more thing that would be a useful tool. Chapter buttons and other things mentioned so far would be useful tools also.

Mainly I'm just happy with whatever Kisai does. :)

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Again, Count Your Sheep is a good example. The coments that Adis puts with each comic are an interesting little insight into the development of the comic.
They are unusually interesting and CYS is something of an exception but, nevertheless, the rants are not archived. They're interesting to read daily because you have the time to idly do so before the next update. Putting them in the archives is different. If you read them, it's like having a movie intercut with its making-of.

I only really have my own feelings to work from but I do doubt that anyone reads archived rants.

PA is fine, though. The rant is part of the product. I don't read Mac Hall so I don't know about that.

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sorry to ask...but whats DIV?
just a simple explanation please?
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Rhellik wrote:sorry to ask...but whats DIV?
just a simple explanation please?
A division or layer. They're a little weird but basically each division can have overlapping elements - pictures, text, whatever. In a (limited) way, each division is a seperate webpage which are overlain on top of one another.

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So is that how you do those non-scrolling background images? huh!
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Rhellik wrote:So is that how you do those non-scrolling background images? huh!
Actually, no, but you've got the right idea.

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Digital War wrote:That's all easily done with div positioning using the current system.
I love it how the people cast phrases like that.
Or "eww, you use tables. You should be using DIVs." :roll:

I also love how most of CSS tutorials begin with: "CSS is great, it can be used for many things, like changing color of the text, changing the font size, making the text bold/italic/underscored, and for positioning and dimensioning"
then they explain step-by-step how to change the color of the text, font and other stuff, and then they proceed with
"positioning and dimensioning is too advanced for the scope of this tutorial. =P"


Basically, div positioning means something like this:

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<div style="position:absolute;left:150;top:700;width:500;border-width:5;border-style:solid;border-color:black;">the rant, with images and everything else you want</div>
Just put that in a text file (yyyymmdd.txt), and (unless I made a mistake)
it will display in the middle of your page (150 pixels to the right and 700 pixels down from the upper left corner), and give it big thick black borders.
Adjust the numbers to your liking.

If you want you can put the "style" data in the document's head or external file.
Then you can redesign the page easier, because you don't have to edit every single rant, you just edit the external file, or <head> in the dailytemplate...

Here's how to put it in the head:

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<head>
<style type="text/css">
div.rant {
 position:absolute;
 left:150;
 top:700;
 width:500;
 border-width:5;
 border-style:solid;
border-color:black;
}
</style>

...
the tile and other stuff here
...
</head>
And then use this for the rant: <div class="rant">the rand, images and whatnot</div>


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Bah! I'm not here to tell people how to do things, it's up to them to find out for themselves. Don't forget the z-index, it's nice to be able to control the order of layers.

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just another weird petition...

I wonder if it'd be possible to make a ***true_day_of_the_week*** tag which shows the actual day of the week instead of the comic's related one -duh- Same for months and all... The true WHOLE date isn't enough sometimes :wink:

oh yeah! and more include tags! Pweeeeeeease? ^^

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Digital War wrote:Bah! I'm not here to tell people how to do things, I'm here to kill them.
Good old War.

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Would it be really hard to make a template? Or is it just not wanted?

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Yes, people could do some extra work. People could set up their websites in nonobvious ways and learn some extra html tricks. Before I ever made this request I figured out how I could do everything that you guys have suggested.

People could also just use the calendar *as is*. People could forget chapter buttons and just be happy with with the dropdown menu we already have, which does about the same thing.

Most of the things requested aren't must-have-features. They're just nice little things that would make putting together a web comic a little easier. I'm not gonna be upset if any of these features don't make it in, even though there *have* been several nice suggestions.

It's just that if Kisai added a **rant** tag, more people would have nice rants on their sites than they currently have. If she did chapter buttons, some people who don't like the storyline dropdown would use the chapter buttons. So we make requests, even though there are work-arounds.

Basically, if I do a work around, then everyone else who wants nicer rants has to duplicate my work. If a **rant** tag is added, then it becomes easier for everyone. So I made the request.

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I'd like for the guide to be fixed (it hasn't worked for the whole of November) and I'd love to have a forum.
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Bekka wrote:I'd love to have a forum.
Check out http://www.talkaboutcomics.com and see if they'll let you have one. I mean, if I can get one from them, anyone can.

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xmung wrote:this isn't so much a global-for-the-good-of-all request (so much as a selfish-good-for-xmung request) it would be great if the page load stats page could be updated... i just got a shitload of visitors (10 frickkin' thousand) (via something awful) and wanna see myself on page 1 dammit!!

pwease?
pwetty pwease??
:D :wink:
Looks like the problem wasn't guide, but the system that parses webalizer history. Remember under unix months go 0-11, it wasn't adding 1 to months over 10, so it was still showing october. Fixed.

Why didn't anyone tell me this last november?

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I'm not sure if this is already in the system or not, but when we mark out comics as MA or NC-17 in the rating options in the site admin thingy, does that go out to parental controls, like net nanny? The only bit of mad mail I've ever gotten was from a woman who was upset that her daughter was looking at my site (this was within my first year of doing the comic though), and I wasn't sure if parental controls actually catch my site as a no-no since I don't have any of that kind of software on my computer.
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cjburgandy wrote:I'm not sure if this is already in the system or not, but when we mark out comics as MA or NC-17 in the rating options in the site admin thingy, does that go out to parental controls, like net nanny? The only bit of mad mail I've ever gotten was from a woman who was upset that her daughter was looking at my site (this was within my first year of doing the comic though), and I wasn't sure if parental controls actually catch my site as a no-no since I don't have any of that kind of software on my computer.
yes and no. it's something that you'd have to put on your site, but legally, you have to register your site with the site that designed the specification. Which is why keenspace doesn't automatically do it.

Look up RSACi

forgot it was folded into ICRA

http://www.icra.org/faq/webmasters/

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***rant***...

I belive there's a seperate ***comic_news*** or something like that already in the KeenSpace list. I'll investigate it and see if it's active or how it's used.
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Hmmm. I don't see anything like comic_news in the taglossery.

http://maniacaladvantage.keenspace.com/ ... ssary.html

I did notice the storylinestart tag, which works almost like chapter buttons, but not quite. This kinda implies to me that the work for chapter buttons is already partly done. I almost hate to mention that since it makes chapter buttons even more likely to be the winner. :wink:

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