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The original thread is here.

Submissions are over! It's voting time now. NO NEW SUBMISSIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED (you lazy bums!)

Please take the time to review the submissions. Shuffle them around and try to be as artistic as possible. Try to make the different comics stand out against each other.

PART 1: THE CONTENT

• Alex and Ilia by RPin (1 page - previous thread)
• Twice Destined by TheLoserHero (1 page - previous thread)
• McDuffies by McDuffies (2 pages total)
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• Fallen Angels Used Books by faub (1, 2 or 3 pages in the previous thread)
• Seed of Judgement by Esoterik (1 page - previous thread)
• A.N.T.S. by Ida (1 page - previous thread)
• World Warp by IV Studios (1 page - previous thread)
• Requiem by Maxim Kovelenko (3 pages - previous thread)
• Insanity for the Poor by KrisX (1 page - previous thread)
• Desolation Angel Tango by hartchamber (1 page - previous thread)
• Pirate Queen Marianne by Stephen Henderson-Grady (1 page - previous thread)
• Decypher by phact0rri (1 page - previous thread)
• Burgundy Comics, Inc. by CJ Burgundy. (1 page - previous thread)
• Nahast - Land of Strife by Coyotzin (1 page - previous thread)
• Cortland by cortland (2 pages - previous thread)
• Gleaners by Doggett (1 page - previous thread)
• Super Fight Fight by supernerdcore (1 page)
• 1 BR. Apt by Bek (3 pages - previous thread)
• Digital War by War (2 pages - previous thread)
• Horendous Acts by stucifer the maligned (1 page - this thread)

There are a total of 28 pages. That's too many for the sampler. Your job will be to vote for the pages that will appear in the sampler and in what order they will appear.

The rules:

1. You may list a minimum of 20 pages up to a maximum of 28 pages of content. The content MUST have a page count divisible by 4. It is impossible to include everyone so instead, try for the most kick ass combination of pages that make the most sense together. Feel free to include extras (see below).
2. If you have non-comic submissions (rants, introduction text, etc.) PLEASE include them! If you have a design for the copyright page, please include it. Table of contents? Include it, PLEASE!
3. The cover is reserved. The front cover will have the cover image. The inside front cover will have copyright info and a list of the comics in the sampler.
4. If a submissions has multiple pages: you must include all the pages, you may not change the order of the pages and you must group those pages together.
   --- special: for my comic you may choose the 1 page ad, the 2 page comic or all three pages together.
5. REMEMBER: Chris Crosby has disallowed making this a "Keenspace Sampler." We can use keenspace.com in the web links but that's it. So, no plugging Keenspace directly. No howto's on how to get signed up.
6. If you have a name to suggest, include it.
7. Each time a comic gets listed it gets a vote. The comics with the most votes get included in the final sampler. I want you to specify an order so we can see what patterns develop. Whose submissions look best together.

PART 2: THE COVER ART

Soap Committee
Digital War #1
Digital War #2
faub

You must choose one cover from the above. Feel free to poke and prod us to actually finish the things. I would hate to just use mine because it was the only one finished.

Have at you.

EDIT: Removed Maxim's 1 page submission by request.
EDIT2: Added stucifer the maligned's submission

Here's my vote: (remember, even/odd page combinations face each other and odd/even combinations are back to back)


Front Cover: My cover art (it's the only one finished)
I don't think a title is necessary. The word balloon says it all.
Inside Front Cover: List of submitters' comic sites and a copyright description in small text.

Contributors:
1 BR APT by Bek: http://http://onebrapt.keenspace.com/
Alex and Ilia by Rodrigo P. Nitto: http://alexandilia.keenspace.com/
A.N.T. by Ida Kirkegaard: http://ant.keenspace.com/
Burgundy Comics, Inc. by CJ Burgundy: http://burgundycomics.keenspace.com/
Cortland by Matt Johnson: http://cortland.keenspace.com/
Decypher by phact0rri: http://decypher.keenspace.com/
Desolation Angel Tango by hartchamber: http://desolationangel.keenspace.com/
Digital War by Ewan Baird: http://www.digitalwar.co.uk/
Gleaners by Tom Doggett: http://gleaners.keenspace.com/
Insanty for the Poor by KrisX: http://insanityforthepoor.keenspace.com/
McDuffies by Srdjan Achimovich: http://mcduffies.keenspace.com/
Nahast - Land of Strife by Alejandro Melchor: http://nahast.keenspace.com/
Pirate Queen Marianne by Stephen and Katie Henderson-Grady: http://marianne.keenspace.com/
Requiem by James Roden: http://erech.keenspace.com/
Seed of Judgement by Ty Frederick: http://soj.keenspace.com/
Super Fight Fight by birdie: http://www.superfightfight.tk/
Twice Destined by The Loser Hero: http://twicedestined.keenspace.com/
World Warp by Carl A. Schulz IV: http://ivstudios.keenspace.com/

[Creative Commons logo]

This sampler is distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs License. This means you are free to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work and to make commercial use of the work. However, you must give the original author credit and you may not alter, transform, or build upon this work. For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others the license terms of this work. Any of these conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder. Your fair use and other rights are in no way affected by the above.

The full text of this license can be found at:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/legalcode



Page 1: Introductions - What is this all about?

The following pages contain original works and sample art submitted by a number of different amateur comic artists from around the world. These comics are published online for entertainment, artistic self-improvement or plain boredom. Whatever the case, these comics are free of charge.

(grr.... I'm blanking on the rest of this rant. anyone want to help out?)

Page 2: Digital War
Page 3: Digital War
Page 4: A.N.T.
Page 5: Burgundy Comics
Page 6: Nahast: Land of Strife
Page 7: Seed of Judgement
Page 8: Cortland
Page 9: Cortland
Page 10: McDuffies
Page 11: McDuffies
Page 12: Pirate Queen Marianne
Page 13: Alex and Ilia
Page 14: Fallen Angels Used Books (Comic #1)
Page 15: Fallen Angels Used Books (Comic #2)
Page 16: Gleaners
Page 17: Decypher
Page 18: Super Fight Fight
Page 19: 1 BR APT
Page 20: 1 BR APT
Page 21: 1 BR APT
Page 22: World Warp
Page 23: Insanity for the Poor
Page 24: Desolation Angel Tango
Page 25: Twice Destined
Page 26: Requiem
Page 27: Requiem
Page 28: Requiem

Inside Back Cover: blank
Back Cover: "(C) Various Artists - 2005"

I don't think mine should even be on the voting list of covers, since it's only a messy sketch! o_o

Finish it!

DOO EEEET!

I'll see if I can vote as soon as I sift through em all. @_@ Too many comics and not enough sleep.

But...submissions are over! I thought I was a lazy bum and it was too late!

But if you're not joking about finishing it, I could actually give it a shot (easier semester, and I now have a tablet to speed things along). It's also a good time because...I'm...very productive in other drawings when I'm procrastinating on a commission. *shifty eyes*

Mine isn't finished yet...

It also makes no sense unfinished... T.T

*Head explodes from so many good entries*

I'll have to take a day off to look at all of these and decide. o_O At least you're not saying to choose just one!

Okay...I personally think that the list as you outlined is for your vote is a good choice Faub.

What I am most concerned with is that we get a good representative sampling of the comics that Keenspace has to offer and I believe that your list accomplishes that.

Just my $0.02

Faub maybe in the Rant/intro talk about why you thought up the idea and why its important to spread awareness about webcomics?

or maybe talk about the genre that is webcomics and how collectic we all are or somthing?

Aw man, so tough decision...

These are comics that would get two votes from me if it was possible.That means, a must:

Twice Destined
Fallen Angels Used Books
A.N.T.S
World Warp
Desolation Angel Tango
Pirate Queen Marianne
Nahast - Land of Strife
Cortland
Seed of Judgement

These are comics that could get in without second thought too:
McDuffies
Insanity for the Poor (I'm always surprised fow sleak Kris's stuff looks, for an MSP art.)
Digital War

Alex and Ilia - It's troubling me a bit, though: style saves him but it's very sloppy

I don't have to vote for round 20, right? Because I lost count and because picking even more would be heart-breaking. They're good comics but I don't know if the reaction of the spoiled comicbook reader at sight of them would be so positive.

Cover:
I vote for Soap to finish her cover, it's just too good composition. If not, I vote for War to finish his second cover. Faub's cover looks like back cover more than front cover, even though it's got an info and all...

I honestly like Faub's layout idea. so a ditto here.


As far as covers. I love Faub's, but I would like to see soap finish hers. *prods soap*

Having a back cover is a good idea. I did want to leave at least one page of the cover blank in case somebody desperately wanted to use comixpress or something like that and needed ad space. (The PDF won't be formatted for comixpress, but that's something we can work on later.)

The number of pages really only needs to be divisible by 4. Each page will have a front and a back and fold in the middle for the staples. If we only had 23 pages, the last page of the book would be blank. Also, less than 20 pages and the books gets too thin, more restrictive. I wanted to have enough room for as many artists and possible to be included. If you think, giving the submissions, that 20 is too many list the comics you want to see included and explain why the others should not be.

Page Combinations:
Always present:
- Front cover.
- Front inside cover.
- Back inside cover.
- Back cover.

Number of Content pages:
- 4
- 8
- 12
- 16
- 20 <-- I would call this a minimum.
- 24 <-- this is about average for print comics.
- 28 <-- this is the maximum that comixpress will print for a minicomic.

I do see where submissions like Alex and Ilia aren't finished compared to the rest. Super Fight Fight, World Warp, Insanity for the Poor and Burgundy Comics Inc. are just line drawings. When compared to toned submissions like Desolation Angel Tango they look unfinished. On the other hand, Cortland looks fine but it's just a line drawing.

I included everyone because I could get it to fit, not because I thought all the comics fit well with the others. This is mostly because Burgundy Comics and others are in color and they don't translate well to B&W.

I think less than 20 would be too small. I did name less than 20 but that's only because it was hard for me to pick. However, I think submissions I didn't name should get in too, because they represent Keenspace as well. Giving a keenspace sempler and offering only slick, pro-looking pages would be a kind of cheat (and then dissapointment for someone who visits Keenspace based on the book and realizes not every comic is drawn like FAUB or Twice destined). (This is where I give my part because IMO mcDuffies sample isn't particulary well-drawn either) SuperFightFight sample, in that maneer, is a good example of a certain group of comics in which actually pretty fresh and good read can be found. I am concearned about the first reaction of a man who grabs the book to such comics, tho. But on the other hand, if he graps a book and sees such comic next to FAUB and such, the general reaction might be better because he'll be well prepared to what he'll find in comics.

faub wrote: I do see where submissions like Alex and Ilia aren't finished compared to the rest. Super Fight Fight, World Warp, Insanity for the Poor and Burgundy Comics Inc. are just line drawings. When compared to toned submissions like Desolation Angel Tango they look unfinished. On the other hand, Cortland looks fine but it's just a line drawing.

I included everyone because I could get it to fit, not because I thought all the comics fit well with the others. This is mostly because Burgundy Comics and others are in color and they don't translate well to B&W.

Yeah, that got me doubting too. On one hand you got comics that are drawn by a skillful hand, but it just seems that there's not much effort put into it. By this I mean, A&I submission (as Pin admitted himself) but also CJ Burgundy's submission and IVStudio's submission. They simply look too short of drawing, something's amiss in both submissions. Submissions for IFtP and Pirate Queen Marianne are pretty simplicistic too, but they somehow lie down quite nicely, those styles feel comfortable with less lines and details, which I can't say for aforementioned submissions.
I mean, it doesn't feel particulary fair to submissions where obviously a good effort was spent but which didn't come up so slick in the end, like Phactorri's.

Um...My new computer is getting re-hooked up this weekend. I'll have a better program to edit and uh... I think I lost the large image. Can I redo that this weekend? It's a pretty embarrassing image compared to the other stuff submitted.

I would be fine with you replacing the original drawing since you've lost the large version anyway. I think the same goes for RPin. If he's willing to finish his page he can just replace the submission he already has and it will be fine. If anybody else has issues with their submissions, you have until the end of the voting session to make corrections. Just replace the comics you have, though. No new pages.

Page 1: Introduction - What is this all about?

The following pages contain original works and sample art submitted by a number of different amateur comic artists from around the world. These comics are published online for entertainment, artistic self-improvement or plain boredom. Whatever the case, these comics are free of charge.

The idea behind this sampler is to point people to some of the great, less well known comics on the web.

Unlike the huge, well-known webcomics like Megatokyo, Penny Arcade and Player Vrs. Player, most webcomic artists and writers cannot make a living with their comics. There are, in fact, hundreds of thousands of webcomics online and the audiences available for each comic are small. This sampler is an effort to get the word out about a few of the less well known comics and to show off the quality and diversity that is online comics.

Originally, this sampler had another purpose but we aren't allowed to mention it here. The mind control rays didn't work anyway.

So, please give our comics a look. We know and can't expect you to like all of them but, who knows, you might find something you didn't expect.

faub wrote:I would be fine with you replacing the original drawing since you've lost the large version anyway. I think the same goes for RPin. If he's willing to finish his page he can just replace the submission he already has and it will be fine. If anybody else has issues with their submissions, you have until the end of the voting session to make corrections. Just replace the comics you have, though. No new pages.

Excellent, I'll get on that ASAP.

hey, what about me? i submitted my thingum ages past! did i not make it to the vote? it's no biggie, i'm more interested in distributing the sampler anyway...

You did?
...
Ah! Found the PMs you sent me. Strangely enough I didn't see the link to your sample page anywhere. Did you post one? If not, please do because you were definitely on time. Just scale your original from 600 dpi to 72 dpi and post it here. Then I'll edit the first post to include you.

here's the original: http://horrendousacts.keenspace.com/ima ... dousAD.png

and here's the 72 dpi one:


and here's batman and robin trying to get superman into a pile-up, boyfest style:


WAH!!