Please let that be Colin

[Jace]

even less-amble multibreasts makes no sense. You've got one kid and six boobs, what, you're gonna spend all day switching him off from one to the other?

It'd look like someone with an air hammer tightening lugnuts at the Indy 500. *voop**voop**voop**voop**voop**voop* *diaper* "Okay, he's good for another 30 laps-- CLEAR!"


Breasts that only are evident while nursing don't logically follow either.
Remember, first of all, balance issues. Secondly, altered hip structure plus larger cranial size means lower birth rate. Fewer births at a time mean that the race will have to compensate by breeding frequently--- or in other words, as humans do: chronically. In which case, having a highly visible secondary sexual characteristic disappear part of the time is counterproductive.

Whoa, whoa, I'm for thinkin' I wasn't clear, ya?

See, my point about 'less ample' was not a case of 'making sense', it was a suggestion to counter your 'back strain' statement. Smaller breasts = less back strain, so if someone wanted a furry gal with four breasts and was willing to forgo having her with huge hooters, then that might work.

Nor was I trying to suggest that the bosoms of furry girls should disappear or reappaear. What I was meanin' to say is that, for the people who insist on 'authenticity', then if they really want a girl with multiple boobs, maybe they should also take into account that animals don't have boobs to begin with.

Calm down.

[BBlalock]

Skunks, bears, and raccoons all walk plantigrade.

Wow, I didn't know that. I knew about the bears, but I didn't know that raccoons walked plantigrade.

Since we're on the subject of anatomy, I was wondering about tails. Why don't humans have tails? There are several creatures that walk on two legs with tails. My guess is that it's because of the vertical spinal columns. What do you think?

These cats believe they found a tail.

[Axle]

*reads back to page one and one post he found particularly funny at the time* and then it happened
He needs to go pee!

[DracoDei]

Ralph may have taken your suggestion (it wouldn't take much of an edit from some alternative storylines). He probably isn't working THAT far in advance these days (and especially not after we had so many days solid in a row).

[Ann Vole]

One wonders how long Quentyn was out. ... -first- thing he'd want to do when he woke up would be to use the bathroom! Somehow that never gets mentioned.

I would imagine it's like hibernation, you don't drink so you don't pee but animals that recover from hibernation are in a hurry get leg movement so they don't do thier thing in thier nest.

Dunno why, but I found myself wondering whether or not Quentyn can pee standing up :).

I read Dave Sim's Cerebus series and somewhere in "Church and State" there was a smear campain against Cerebus (an aardvark in a mostly human world) as he was trying to become Prime Minister. They put up a banner saying "Cerebus pee-pees in the sink". I like postulating about anthro anatomy and that vague reference provided lots of postulating on my part.

Of course, the female members of the forum probably have a more pressing question...

Do Rac Conan Daimh males remember to put the seat down when they're done? :P

By my experience with lots of different types of animals, Many of the male traits are almost universal. I would guess they forget most of the time too

... multiboobage ... raccoons all walk plantigrade ... and they consider him less "realistic" if he isn't structured in a way that makes no sense for a humanoid biped.

I love that word "multiboobage" ;-)

If you see pet raccoons dancing for a treat, there is very little adjustment needed from Procyon lotor (real raccoon) to Rac Conan Daimh

If you consider all the anatomical adjustments in those dog breeds, I think just about any anthro form can be formed with the right breeding pressures so the anthro is as real as the author/artist is good (and RHJunior is one of the best)

Why don't humans have tails? ... What do you think?

Some anthropologists/evolutionists have speculated that the human body is designed specificaly for long distance running (a fit human can run for longer then even a fit horse). Following that train of thought (and "God designed us for running" for creationists) a tail serves no purpose and would contribute to ineficient two legged running movements.

[Kerry Skydancer]

That's probably not it; the apes don't have tails either and they don't run at all. More likely it's an ancestral loss before the ape-human split, and humans evolved a more erect bipedal stance because nothing was there to act as a counterweight (the way the biped dinosaurs did it, forex). Adding a tail to what we are now would be inefficient; because we had to evolve without a tail, (it being already lost and not easily recovered), we evolved a system that's efficient without one.

[Ann Vole]

It might be a size thing in that Gorillas, chimps, and orangatangs are too heavy to hang by their tails and the tail they might have would be too relatively light to use for inflight adjustments when jumping. Just more speculation based on the "use it or lose it" explaination of anatomy

[Dalak Lutra]

OMG....I just wrote this huge thing about Mutation processes for the humans to have tails......and then I accidentially closed my window...and I lost it ....I'm not gonna type it all up again word for word...so I'm just gonna put it simply.

TAIL GROWTH OUTLINE
Phase one: Getting tail to grow, skin, and when will it grow
-Option:Group A: Simply either remove the Coccyx then mutate DNA or mutate the body to have it naturally brake up, useing parts of it as the start and finish for the tail. Most likely the Mutating subject will under go medium to great pain.
-Get Skin to Grow outwards with the bone.
-Two possible paths after mutation. Your Childeren will get tails when born but you wont, or Tails grow emediatly after mutation.
-Option:Group B: Splice on a tail.
Group B-END

Group A-Phadse Two:Muscle, Nerves, limitations, and shape.
- Mutate Plantaris to expand out with the tail as it grows.
- Need to some how get the body to have a nerve expanded out to tail, done by more mutations or sergery.
- Need to have the tail grow in a limited amount, don't want it growing twice the size of you. My Opinion would be to have to tail grow in relation to the body using the Golden Number Ratio, done by more mutations.
- The Shape needs to be found by finding what the DNA structure for the original creatures tail, aplied to the human by more mutations.(ie. a squirrel)

Group A-Phase Three: Fur, Genetics Pass down, and Social problems
- Need to find out how to get fur to grow on tail or just leave it the same, done by another mutation. Not very hard to find out how to do compared to the other things we're trying to do.
- Fur Color, Either use natural Human hair color, or genetically mutate the tail to have a different hair color than the rest of the body. Hair Color patterns found by checking base animal's DNA.
- Genetics Pass Down has first two roads either They don't or they do.(ties in a little with when do they grow)
*Option A:Don't, the tail will grow for you but not for your childeren. And None of the DNA is passed on through them.
*Option B:Do, Two more options
~Option B Choice1:The tail doesn't grow for you but will for your childeren(most likely not preffered).
~Option B Choice2: The tail grows for you and will for your childeren, but there is a chance that your childeren will get your wive's or husband's tail. There is also a chance of a cross beed between the two of you(ex: Your tail color but you wive's tail). Also both parents' genetics will go through with the child, being passed through their childeren aswell(like eye color or hair color).
- There ofcourse would be social problems and the creation of new terminology.
-Terminology: Full Breed, half breed, etc. Basically words to describe your tail type, like full breed would be to describe some one who's ancestors would all be of the same tail type. I think you could think up of some of your own.
- With that in mind there would be a new social order! People would call nonfull breeds low class, and people of full breed would be of upper class, sort of like with pets, or our ethnicity(I know its sad to think that there are still people who don't marry to ther ethnicities to keep their family a full blooded what ever they are). People would begin to separate into sub devisions amongst their already subdevisions(these such thing happening way beyond our generation remind you)...or we be smart and just talk about how cool our tails are.

Group A Phase Four: Mutation
-fuse all of the mutations into one chamber for efficiency.
GROUP A-END
TAIL GROWTH OUTLINE-END

I guess this outline actually makes it a little easier to understand compared to my big paragraph. But Personally I would go with The path Phase one Group A Option B Choice 2, we can live with the pain from the start of the tail growth from Group A, besides we get more benifits out of it. (Prefference: I'd probably never marry someone with a non-fur tail, just to...creapy, and unattractive)

Well back to The whole 4-8 breast thing from a while back. I personally like mine two breasts, two legs, and more humanoid. Although it would make it alot easier for certain positions*rawr* . Other than that I don't really like it while not hating it. Its more of a personal prefference thing, one can't judge another, except for some situations. This not being one of those situations, unless your talking about nonstraight yiff(m to m)...then I don't know you(even though yes I know that most people who like yiff are not straight).

[Bigdude]

Radioactive cows can become mootants.

[Dalak Lutra]

Radioactive cows can become mootants.

....yes.....sadly....they can......

[Kerry Skydancer]

OMG....I just wrote this huge thing about Mutation processes for the humans to have tails......and then I accidentially closed my window...and I lost it ....I'm not gonna type it all up again word for word...so I'm just gonna put it simply.

TAIL GROWTH OUTLINE

--- snip---

You miss the point entirely with all of this. All those major mutations you're proposing aren't necessary.

The genes for a human tail are already present in all of us.

They're just turned off.

The only mutation necessary is to switch them back on again, or more precisely deactivate the aptosis commands in the development stage that re-absorb the developing fetal tail. Then the coccyx doesn't form, because without the biochemical commands to shut down and reabsorb the material those structures continue to develop into a tail.

We've got most of the instructions necessary for our bodies to make vitamin C buried in our genome as well; but they're also deactivated, and in this case there's damage to the sequence, as well, since they've been deactivated and eroding for a long time. The interesting thing is that our ape cousins have the same deactivated Vitamin C gene, in the same place in the genome, broken in nearly all the same places. Apparently our common ancestor ate fruit and didn't need to make this vitamin; it was advantageous not to waste energy making vitamins that were already over-abundant in their diet, so the mutation spread.

Also interestingly, the only other mammal that's lost the ability to synthesize this vitamin are the guinea pigs, who also get large amounts of Vitamin C in their natural diet (I'm not sure if they've actually studied the fruit bats - they'd also logically not need to synthesize their own vitamin C). They're not nearly as closely related to us, and the deactivation and damage to the gene sequence is quite different from that of the apes.

Scientific Prediction: If the fruit bats turn out to be unable to synthesize Vitamin C, the genome will nonetheless contain a damaged copy of the gene to manufacture it; said copy will have distinctly different errors than either the guinea pigs or the apes.

[Ann Vole]

(Prefference: I'd probably never marry someone with a non-fur tail, just to...creapy, and unattractive)

Tuck wants to marry Thelma and she won a beauty contest
I've had pet rats and mice for decades so I find nakid tails to be just as beautifull as the furry ones on all those other pets I've had. I guess I don't see multiboobage (love that word) as wierd after having all those mother "mini-humans" in the form of rodents for pets. I find elephants to be weird instead because they have two breasts on their chest like humans (creepy)

...Also interestingly, the only other mammal that's lost the ability to synthesize this vitamin are the guinea pigs, who also get large amounts of Vitamin C in their natural diet

About lack of Vitamin C production, there are several quite unrelated animals who lack that ability to a degree (even we produce our own, just not enough to meet our needs). On the flip side, some animals like dogs and cats cannot stop producing vitamin C and have health problems if given supplimental vitamin C. It still is a case of use it or lose it.
I wonder if Rac Conan Daimh will lose the length and fluffiness of thier tail if they are no longer living in trees (fluffy tails help change direction mid flight when jumping and provide a blanket when sleeping in treees)

OMG....I just wrote this huge thing about Mutation processes...--- snip shorter---

You miss the point entirely with all of this. All those major mutations you're proposing aren't necessary.
The genes for a human tail are already present in all of us.
They're just turned off.

I thought the question was:

Since we're on the subject of anatomy, I was wondering about tails. Why don't humans have tails? There are several creatures that walk on two legs with tails. My guess is that it's because of the vertical spinal columns. What do you think?

Rabbits and hares (I've had both as pets) have the back end of thier spine pointing straight down but their tails just do a 180 degree turn. I suppose the most natural tail for a human would be rabbit-like. There are a few primates with short tails too (snow monkeys come to mind). One thing in favor of this theory is lots of the rodents with no or short tails have the back part of thier spine pointing downward (guinea pigs, voles and lemmings, capybara) but not all (hamsters have back ends like mice and rats)