Food for though. Chew carefully.

Fusion · Post by **Fusion** » Sun May 15, 2005 3:13 am

Put 'er there partner!

Kerry Skydancer · Post by **Kerry Skydancer** » Sun May 15, 2005 1:15 pm

fusion wrote:Cleona. A small town near Hershey. If your coming to visit me, don't blink.

Yep. My one grandmother's in the assisted living place in Annville. Used to go through both towns on the way to Palmyra all the time.

Tbolt · Post by **Tbolt** » Mon May 16, 2005 2:04 am

SolidusRaccoon wrote: That's half the adventure of driving PA roads. Reminds me of the time when me and a friend who was also from PA were watching some cartoon, in it some kids were cheating in a race by digging up the highway with shovels. We figured they must have been PENNDOTT roads. Just paint the dirt with yellow and white lines. Well, actually, that would be an improvment.

Actually Pa has some very well maintained roads, just follow the state congressmen to work =^^=

Anybody remember Bud Schuster? At least Altoona had a great road system...

What they really need to do is get rid of asphalt on the major thoroughfares and use reinforced concrete. END ROAD WORK, (do it right the first time!)

Greatdane · Post by **Greatdane** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:07 am

RHJunior wrote:Little saying I have:

Opinions are what you have about music, or art, or icecream flavors. On everything else, opinions are what you have until the facts are in.

People have bought into the mush-headed notion that all opinions are equally respectable and valid, regardless of the issue, simply because someone holds them.

One's opinions about politics is pretty much the same as one's opinions about life. If you believe that society should take care of the weak then you are on the left-wing. This does not have anything to do with facts, it only have anything to do with how your view of life is.

SolidusRaccoon wrote:Very true Ralph, our red friend here just can

SolidusRaccoon · Post by **SolidusRaccoon** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:29 am

greatdane wrote:
Damn simple-minded fool!

Oh yes understanding concepts such as good/evil, light/dark, right/wrong, God/devil and capitalism/socialism is simple minded.

Shyal_malkes · Post by **Shyal_malkes** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:54 am

*roasts marshmallows over the flames*

is that a cold front coming in, or are we getting ready to cool down now?

StrangeWulf13 · Post by **StrangeWulf13** » Mon May 16, 2005 8:47 am

greatdane wrote:On the contrary, I am one of the most sceptic socialists in my class. I am more than cabable of dissagreeing with the left-wing politicians in my country.

You've yet to shown any capability of thinking on your own, neither have you presented any views that seem conservative to me.

Wizard's Fifth Rule: "Watch what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie."

If you're the conservative in your country, I don't think many of us here could resist trying to slap the stupid out of your liberals.

Greatdane · Post by **Greatdane** » Mon May 16, 2005 12:21 pm

SolidusRaccoon wrote:
Oh yes understanding concepts such as good/evil, light/dark, right/wrong, God/devil and capitalism/socialism is simple minded.

Solidus, when I call you simple-minded, a better word for you to understand what I mean is single-sided: You see things from just one perspective. And in my opinion, that's foolish, if you are not able to see things from different angles then you will most certaintly be blind (in a matter of speaking).

Besides there's no such things as a totally socialistic person, or a totally evil person, or whatever, we are all complex beings, and each of us have a different set of morals and values. It would be impossible to be a 100% good or evil person, no matter what a single or more factors would kick in and change the percentage.

StrangeWulf13 wrote:
You've yet to shown any capability of thinking on your own, neither have you presented any views that seem conservative to me.

Wizard's Fifth Rule: "Watch what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie."

If you're the conservative in your country, I don't think many of us here could resist trying to slap the stupid out of your liberals.

No, no. You misunderstand: in my high-school class most are socialists. They gobble up all the promises thrown at them by a party called SF (Socialistic people-party) and don't ask any questions like how or why. On the contrary to me who does.

Denmark's goverment consists of right-wing parties, so it's not the country any of you should aim your anger at.

To take one of my right-wing views: I believe that there should be a tight control on emmigration in Denmark. Too many emmigrants are coming to Denmark and are not doing any work. Heck, some of them don't even learn the Danish language.

And what do you mean, thinking on my own? All that which I believe in have been filtered through my brain. Naturally many of my views come from my background (my grandmother being a former city-counsil member for a left-wing party contributes to that), but how many of you republicans have not been raised by republicans? How many of your parents weren't right-wing oriented?

And even though most of my morals come from my heritage, I have still chosen my own path: I do not believe in exactly the same things as my grandmother, or my mother, and they are the two most contributing factors to my whole view of life.

How many of you can 100 percent say that some of your attitudes doesn't come from your heritage? Just think about it.

Oh yeah, Solidus, by calling me red I hope you don't mistake me for a communist, because I am not that. Call me a socialist if you are to refer to my political views.

Should I call you a fascist, just because you are right-wing oriented?

Shyal_malkes · Post by **Shyal_malkes** » Mon May 16, 2005 12:35 pm

i don't think for myself, i let everyone on the forum tell me what to think

i don't believe anything anybody tells me it's all false

none of you exist and you can't prove otherwise

am i sounding absurd yet, i should be!

one of the above is more true the the other three which are totally false.

BlasTech · Post by **BlasTech** » Mon May 16, 2005 1:48 pm

shyal_malkes wrote: none of you exist and you can't prove otherwise

I hope you arn't going to pull a "Petey" and dissect them all to prove it.

SolidusRaccoon · Post by **SolidusRaccoon** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:10 pm

greatdane wrote:

Besides there's no such things as a totally socialistic person, or a totally evil person,

Adolf Hitler (60 million dead, counting all killed in WWII)
Saddam Hussein (2 million dead, just a low estimate)
Josef Stalin (20 million dead, low estimate)
Pol Pot (3 million dead)
Benito Mussolini (400,00 dead)
Mao Zedong (14-20 million dead)
Idi Amin (300,000 dead)

Evil in human form.

Madmoonie · Post by **Madmoonie** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:26 pm

greatdane wrote: Besides there's no such things as a totally socialistic person, or a totally evil person,

Okay, I was trying to stop the flaming, and protect your opinion. A person can have a differant viewpoint than mine but that does not make them any less of a human being.

BUT you are very wrong when you said there are no evil people. Horribly wrong. There are very evil people in this world. I think you need to look at Solidus post good and long.

Oh, and Solidus your figures for Stalin are horribly low. The man killed more people than Hitler. In secret.

Greatdane · Post by **Greatdane** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:22 pm

SolidusRaccoon wrote:
greatdane wrote:

Besides there's no such things as a totally socialistic person, or a totally evil person,
Adolf Hitler (60 million dead, counting all killed in WWII)
Saddam Hussein (2 million dead, just a low estimate)
Josef Stalin (20 million dead, low estimate)
Pol Pot (3 million dead)
Benito Mussolini (400,00 dead)
Mao Zedong (14-20 million dead)
Idi Amin (300,000 dead)

Evil in human form.

Solidus, when you use quotes you should read it all. I wrote: Besides there's no such things as a totally socialistic person, or a totally evil person which means that even the most evil person can have his good sides, take Hitler for example: YES he was a mad man and a murderer, but he had his "good" sides too, he was nice to animals and he liked (arian) children. Not that these things in any way outweigh all the terrible things he forced people to commit, but the thing is, as I wrote before, there's no thing that's absolute, even the most evil person has his good sides, and even the most good person has his evil sides.

One must also remember that goodness/evil or right/wrong is a question of perspective. Some acts, which are considered evil one place is considered perfectly harmless or even good in other countries or cultures.
Like guns, considered harmless or good in USA, considered very bad in Europe.

Og yeah, I have a figure for you, you were quick to point out evil men and how many they killed so I would to see what you have to say to this: As far as I know, approximately 4 million indians were killed by Americans, does that make you evil people?

BlasTech · Post by **BlasTech** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:07 pm

Ok, my turn for 2 cents...

First off:
Ouch, greatdane ... careful if you're going to use the politically correct interpretation of hitler to backup an argument.

Although i know that you care less about him than a sackfull of cr*p in a candy factory, you have to realise that even trying to acknowledge the "fairer" side of those kind of people can inadvertantly insult those who suffered at their hands.

It calls to mind their memories of the double standards and political sweet talking/ strongarming that preluded a dark part of their lives.

Some acts, which are considered evil one place is considered perfectly harmless or even good in other countries or cultures.

Id also argue that some acts are seen as wrong no matter which country or culture you are in. In fact to argue the absolute case that "there is no such thing as an absolute" is confusing to say the least. Absolutes do exist, albeit in only a relatively small number of things .. but they are there.

Thirdly, i think Solidus is being a bit unfair here, greatdane is trying to meet you rationally, as such ... resorting to derogatory name calling is a bit uncalled for. You may have the right for it, but we do expect at least some level of civility in these forums

Finally, i would say that, to me at least, solidus is making the most sense here sorry greatdane but while you have been arguing about the ideals of politics, ive seen more opinion than fact in your posts. If you want to convince others then u must find facts to backup an argument ... and if you find that you have fewer facts to support your way of thinking than the opposition, then think about changing your ideas.

Thats one reason why i dont feel like joining in wholeheartedly, i dont have much more than opinions of my own so id just be talking out of my hat. (much as im doing now)

I aplogise if any of this offends either party, but this is really beginning to out-flame our capacity for fire extinguishers.
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Madmoonie · Post by **Madmoonie** » Tue May 17, 2005 12:53 am

BlasTech wrote: Thirdly, i think Solidus is being a bit unfair here, greatdane is trying to meet you rationally, as such ... resorting to derogatory name calling is a bit uncalled for. You may have the right for it, but we do expect at least some level of civility in these forums

I think that Blastech is making a excellent point here.

Fusion · Post by **Fusion** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:23 am

The real thing we have to wory about in this world is the abilitly to see and understand things from another's perspective. I do agree strongly with Solidus, but I also can understand and respect the veiws of others. So everyone take a deep breath, and try to figure out why the other person might be saying what they are. And I only worship the Lord.

SolidusRaccoon · Post by **SolidusRaccoon** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:28 am

greatdane wrote:
Og yeah, I have a figure for you, you were quick to point out evil men and how many they killed so I would to see what you have to say to this: As far as I know, approximately 4 million indians were killed by Americans, does that make you evil people?

Oh blame the descendant, that

Greatdane · Post by **Greatdane** » Tue May 17, 2005 5:15 am

No I don't blame the descendants, I blame those who does not learn from history. Even though the nazi regime was ersponsible for many millions of peoples deaths, some today still think that nazism is allright. In their opinion holocaust never took place, and it was the jews who were responsible for WW2. That is WRONG, but they think it's right. What I'm trying to say is that perspective contributes to peoples view on reality.

SolidusRaccoon wrote:
greatdane wrote: One must also remember that goodness/evil or right/wrong is a question of perspective.
Riddle me this,

Shyal_malkes · Post by **Shyal_malkes** » Tue May 17, 2005 5:20 am

I'm wrong

SolidusRaccoon · Post by **SolidusRaccoon** » Tue May 17, 2005 5:45 am

shyal_malkes wrote:I'm wrong

Captain Kirk: Harry lied to you, Shyal. Everything Harry says is a lie. Remember that, Shyal. *Everything* he says is a lie.
Harry Mudd: Now I want you to listen to me very carefully, Shyal. I'm... lying.

*waits for Shyal to short circuit.*