March 23 - Coverup!

[SolidusRaccoon]

Conspiracy to commit a crime is also a crime. Communism by its very nature is evil and sinful. So to plan and support a communistic system is to plan murder and theft. We don

[Frost Wraith]

Conspiracy to commit a crime is also a crime.

Conspicary to commit a crime is nothing more than the first stages of committing a crime. Its getting the implaments of torture, and duct tape before kidnapping someone. Its getting explosives and the duffle bags before the bank robbery. And guess what? It often doesn't hold up in court as most of the time the items are circumstansial evidence. Show me where they are stockpiling their weapons and then you can go off an and punish them as much as you want.

Communism by its very nature is evil and sinful. So to plan and support a communistic system is to plan murder and theft. We don

[SolidusRaccoon]

You just invoked Goodwin, thank you. You lose. I won

[Frost Wraith]

You just invoked Goodwin, thank you.

I Know not who Goodwin is nor give a damn. I said what I said from my own conclusions and observations.

You lose. I won

[Kerry Skydancer]

Heh. It's Godwin's Law, actually. 'If any thread goes on long enough, the probability of someone bringing up the Nazis approaches unity. The person doing this has usually run out of arguments and might as well concede at this point. Note: This Law does not apply to actual discussions about fascism or the Second World War.'

[Frost Wraith]

Its very difficult not to bring up when the man your talking to is willing to round up people on something they haven't even done yet. I'm sorry but its a pretty good parallel.

[Kerry Skydancer]

Its very difficult not to bring up when the man your talking to is willing to round up people on something they haven't even done yet. I'm sorry but its a pretty good parallel.

Are we reading the same web-forum here? I don't think Solidus has suggested anything of the kind, let alone advocated it. He's made the point that once someone has committed certain crimes that it may be desirable to deal with them permanently. He hasn't suggested rounding anyone up on the basis of belonging to a group, just treading warily around members of certain organizations that advocate illegal and immoral activities. NAMBLA certainly fits that category.

[Bolo Unit_BRL of the Line]

We seem to get along better with those we've fought - Britain, Spain, Germany, Japan, etc. So to get along better with the French we should declare war on them!

On a lighter note, you forgot Mexico, Narnian. We seem to get along fine with them too. I'd say Canada too, but they were British at the time.

[Kerry Skydancer]

We seem to get along better with those we've fought - Britain, Spain, Germany, Japan, etc. So to get along better with the French we should declare war on them!

On a lighter note, you forgot Mexico, Narnian. We seem to get along fine with them too. I'd say Canada too, but they were British at the time.

And unfortunately for the analogy, we -did- fight with France once upon a time. The XYZ Affair is glossed over in the history texts these days, but almost before the ink was dry on the recognition of the US by Britain, the French started throwing their weight around at us. It never quite reached the level of a declared war, since the French, as usual, cut and ran when they realized that we weren't going to be bullied.

[Narnian]

We seem to get along better with those we've fought - Britain, Spain, Germany, Japan, etc. So to get along better with the French we should declare war on them!

On a lighter note, you forgot Mexico, Narnian. We seem to get along fine with them too. I'd say Canada too, but they were British at the time.

That is why I alway add "etc" - it covers a multitude of sins.

[Frost Wraith]

Are we reading the same web-forum here? I don't think Solidus has suggested anything of the kind, let alone advocated it. He's made the point that once someone has committed certain crimes that it may be desirable to deal with them permanently. He hasn't suggested rounding anyone up on the basis of belonging to a group, just treading warily around members of certain organizations that advocate illegal and immoral activities. NAMBLA certainly fits that category.

Communism needs to be killed once and for all, who wants to go round up the college slacker commies and take them to school?

Yes, McCarthy was right, and the libs hate him for it. The man was a true hero.

So, child molesters, rapists, murderers, terrorists, people who swindle the elderly and every other sleaze bag are not sub-human because they also are

[Kerry Skydancer]

Are we reading the same web-forum here? I don't think Solidus has suggested anything of the kind, let alone advocated it. He's made the point that once someone has committed certain crimes that it may be desirable to deal with them permanently. He hasn't suggested rounding anyone up on the basis of belonging to a group, just treading warily around members of certain organizations that advocate illegal and immoral activities. NAMBLA certainly fits that category.

Communism needs to be killed once and for all, who wants to go round up the college slacker commies and take them to school?

Yes, McCarthy was right, and the libs hate him for it. The man was a true hero.

So, child molesters, rapists, murderers, terrorists, people who swindle the elderly and every other sleaze bag are not sub-human because they also are

[Frost Wraith]

Out of context on the first one - if you read the whole post, he wasn't seriously advocating that as a solution, just a bit of frustration talking.

I am not sure where are but I live in an atmosphere and place where thoughts like that are common place, and quite serious. I cannot tell if he is being serious or not, so I must assume he is not joking. The almost common reoccurance of him brining up conservatisim and his disdain towards librals only re-enforces my view that he is being quite serious. And even if he was not, I cannot say I like the attitude, *sigh* but then again, even John and James asked Jesus to bring lightening down on people out of frustration.

The second one is -also- out of context, in response to my comment about McCarthy having identified a problem, even if by accident. The witch-hunt he started had some unpleasant side-effects, but it did get rid of some of the spies that Ickes had let into the bureaucracies. No advocating a round-up there.

My excerpt there was not to show that, but to hammer home where I got the idea. Once again, I am in a place where some people WOULD see him as a hero. He is one of the people I dispise most in American history. I can' t see myself ever see him as a hero because he threw out *a few* communist. Its like seeing Stalin as a hero for breaking Hitler's back, no real hero in that scenerio.

And #3 involves actual criminals. If you're saying we shouldn't arrest them, you need to reset your breakers and get your brain back on-line. You can forgive them all you want, but I can't recall that the Bible advocates letting evil-doers continue to roam at large - and as a non-believer, my opinion is that if it does say that somewhere, it's just wrong. Find them, arrest them, convict them, deal with them. Forgiveness is irrelevant to that basic necessity.

I am a bit insulted you think I am such a warped person I would let them go without punishmet. I am well aware of the fact forgiving does not mean forgetting. I am not bright, but I am not so blank minded to think they should go free. The people he mentions above SHOULD be punished and should have no less than 3 decades of their lives taken from them and put into a concrete and steel box if not the rest of thier natural lives. What aggrivated ME was that he was lumping in people who had yet to commit crimes. He list those criminals to compare them to those who had yet to do anything. And again I dispise the attitude. They are horrible people and have horrible things, but they are not sub-humans. Not everyone has the blessing of being born into a Christian atmosphere and reciving Christ at a very early age. I remember what I was like before Christ. I was no criminal, I was no fiend. But I was complacent, and I somehow found Christ in which case I was VERY blessed. And I realize how easy I had it. How I actually had the opportunity to find out. When between those who attend Church to learn and those who steal and kill. It is the thieves and killers who actually need to hear the Word the most. I think it was the "cast-aside" attitude that angered me. The one strike and your out demenor. As if Christ's love and mercy didnt' extend to these henieous crimes. For all but these. The sins are too great. They are not, Jesus changes people. Any can come to him and recieve forgiveness.

[StrangeWulf13]

The worst thing a person can go through life without is a sense of humor.

Laugh, darn ya!

[Greatbeast]

OK Couple things here.....


I come here to read about this comic, and enjoy people debating what might or might not happen in the future, etc.

I'm not wildly impressed with people throwing around the word "Liberal" like an insult. Yes, Im a liberal. I dont think necessarily that everything I believe is always the best way, and Im open minded to a lot of things and ideas by others. THAT (reguardless of what the press statements or political wrangling over the years) is my definition of the word "Liberal".

I really would like to turn things away from such nice topics as "McCarthy was right" and the like. Im sorry, i prefer to live in America (free land), NOT Amerika (where unpopular ideas get crushed, ala USSR)

Lastly


This isnt a political debate, we all like the comics by RH, can we leave the rest of it to the "talking heads" on political debate shows on sunday mornings ?


Thanks

[Jace]

Communism by its very nature is evil and sinful.

Really? I thought it was just mishandled... I thought it was about everyone being equal, about community....

I thought the problem with communism was that it's not possible among humans. Not that the theory itself was wrong, but that there needs to be a guiding hand, and the wrong people got the job. They made sure everyone was equal by taking everything away.

Now... the existing communist states are evil and sinful, sure.

[Frost Wraith]

OK Couple things here.....


I come here to read about this comic, and enjoy people debating what might or might not happen in the future, etc.

I'm not wildly impressed with people throwing around the word "Liberal" like an insult. Yes, Im a liberal. I dont think necessarily that everything I believe is always the best way, and Im open minded to a lot of things and ideas by others. THAT (reguardless of what the press statements or political wrangling over the years) is my definition of the word "Liberal".

I don't care about politics. Politics are self serving. People have a nasty habit of not thinking of a way or a philosophy as true, or untrue, as right or as wrong. But is it progressive? Is it conservative or libral? Is it pacifist or agressive? Is it stark? Stoic? Complex? Sophisticated? I don't care! It is either right or wrong, or it is neither and simply IS.

This isnt a political debate, we all like the comics by RH, can we leave the rest of it to the "talking heads" on political debate shows on sunday mornings ?

I really don't think thats going to happen. The simple fact of the matter is that RH likes to imput his faith into his works, something I approve of (tho the actual method frustrates me at times) and this is eventually going to lead to heavy discussion and debate. And to be quite brutally honest....even tho I like his other two comics (this one is my favorite) there is only so much conversation that is going to go into how well it is drawn and what one thinks of the story line until A) the conversation dies off or B) debate and heavy discussion insue. To be truthful I was a bit surprised the people around here will debate and discuss like this. Its very refreshing! I think it comes from a combination of the subject matter RH mixes with his comics and the people.

[Frost Wraith]

The worst thing a person can go through life without is a sense of humor.

Laugh, darn ya!

C.S. Lewis I think, said something to the effect that a person can get away with saying something spiteful or mean if they try to pass it off as a joke. But I am not sure at what point it is spite mascarading as humor and at what point it is humor.

[Starfury]

Just a quick thought, and I'm not sure I can keep up with all the threads going on right now, (darn you spring break! I broke my routine!) but here goes...

it seems that if communism is by nature evil, then we should have issue (for the Christian anyway) with Acts 4:32-37. Worked just fine for a while. Granted, it didn't have quite the same political aspects to it, but the essence of it seems much the same lifestyle. Communism could work, and work well... except for the fact that humans are, by nature, greedy and selfish. Heck, almost any form of government would work well, its just that the governed seem to gum up the works. Republic included. It's a fact of life. Deal.

P.S. The Communist Manifesto did go a bit over my head, but most of that was the termanology. And the latness of night before the reading was due.
P.S.S. I perfer the non-communist side becuase... well... I like heving a piece of property thats mine. Mine I say, MINE! Bwahahahahaha!!!! ha..ha... huh. okay. G'nite.

[RHJunior]

Concerning the passages in Acts:

first, there was no divine injunction for the church members to do what they did. It was something they came up with on their own. The morality or spiritual worthiness of what they were choosing to do is not directly addressed.It was neither praised nor condemned, and was not mandated or even recommended as a way to conduct a civilization.

Second, **it was not mandatory.** it was something that the people spontaneously and voluntarily did. In other words, CHARITY. Noone was EXPECTED to do the same, or pressured to do likewise.... and the church as an entity would have not collapsed without it.


Also, you have to take into account the circumstances in which they were living. They were in a situation very similar to that of the Jews in 1940s Germany--- a decidedly small minority, in the middle of a larger society that actively persecuted them, hunted them down and put them to death. In a society where your lifespan was measured out between feeding times for the lions at the coliseum, most may have just figured it was better to give away everything they had to charity rather than let the Roman empire scavenge it from their bones.