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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u ... 0219223657

What I found most especially interesting about this article was this little line here:
Anime art is characterized by heroes with oversized eyes and small noses, and is drawn with sharper lines and less detail than Western animation.
Now, I find that to be an incredibly odd and kind of dumb statement. Most anime and especially manga has more detail than Western animation. Western animation might reflect reality a little more in some cases, but I've never seen the level of detail in such things as drapery or hair that I've seen in anime. What, has this dude never seen anything other than Pokemon and DBZ?
Western comics can be very detailed and in some cases, more so than some manga, but cartoons and animated films on this side of the globe generally aren't. At least, not any that I've ever seen. And I think I would have noticed that.
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I don't know; it seems like a pretty fair characterization if you're talking about the most massively popular anime. Most of said anime tends to have a "cuter" look, and usually stretches on for two or more seasons (meaning that there's generally a decrease in overall animation quality).

The only reason why I don't agree with the statement is that I watch fansubs... (the good stuff being too expensive to buy...)

What bothers me more is that the guy in the picture is holding up a "Final Fantasy IX" poster, which is definitely not anime. :P

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There are a lot of misconceptions about it, but if you look at most of the anime's that have made it big are the ones like Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh I can't really blame people for writing a blanket statement like that. You really have to dig to get to the good stuff, I just wish people would stop generalizing everything and putting labels on which is better at what and which isn't so good. There's always going to be something to disprove them.
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I haven't read the article, but personally I find the statement funny. It sounds like a cheeky little dig at the genre, that's all.
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ruxen wrote:...I just wish people would stop generalizing everything and putting labels on which is better at what and which isn't so good. ...
That's the natural way the world works.

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Col wrote:
ruxen wrote:...I just wish people would stop generalizing everything and putting labels on which is better at what and which isn't so good. ...
That's the natural way the world works.
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I don't know about you guys, but to me, Pokemon and YuGiOh are about on par with western cartoons in terms of art quality; maybe even slightly better.

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Actually I think they're right, the actual animation of Anime does tend to be simplistic. It's the still art, the pinups, and stuff like mangas that are uber-complex and detailed and so utterly gorgeous. I mean, in a lot of Anime shows there are certainly images that are complex like that, but I think most of it is pretty simple. Of course, in comparison, Western animation tends to be even simpler, especially in places like the Disney Channel or Cartoon Network. Just my two cents.
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Smight wrote:
Col wrote:
ruxen wrote:...I just wish people would stop generalizing everything and putting labels on which is better at what and which isn't so good. ...
That's the natural way the world works.
Everyone knows that!
Yeah but it doesn't stop me from wishing they'd stop. *Points* Ha ha!
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ruxen wrote:
Smight wrote:
Col wrote: That's the natural way the world works.
Everyone knows that!
Yeah but it doesn't stop me from wishing they'd stop. *Points* Ha ha!
but if they don't generalize things how will you ever find your anime DVD at the video store? *dux*
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phactorri wrote:
ruxen wrote:
Smight wrote: Everyone knows that!
Yeah but it doesn't stop me from wishing they'd stop. *Points* Ha ha!
but if they don't generalize things how will you ever find your anime DVD at the video store? *dux*
There's a difference between generalization and categorizing, especially in the context that I mentioned it. *seeks out phactorri and points at him*
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ruxen wrote:
phactorri wrote:
ruxen wrote: Yeah but it doesn't stop me from wishing they'd stop. *Points* Ha ha!
but if they don't generalize things how will you ever find your anime DVD at the video store? *dux*
There's a difference between generalization and categorizing, especially in the context that I mentioned it. *seeks out phactorri and points at him*
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phactorri wrote:
ruxen wrote:
phactorri wrote: but if they don't generalize things how will you ever find your anime DVD at the video store? *dux*
There's a difference between generalization and categorizing, especially in the context that I mentioned it. *seeks out phactorri and points at him*
*hides out in the aisle labeled "phactorri"*

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ruxen wrote:
phactorri wrote:
ruxen wrote: Yeah but it doesn't stop me from wishing they'd stop. *Points* Ha ha!
but if they don't generalize things how will you ever find your anime DVD at the video store? *dux*
There's a difference between generalization and categorizing, especially in the context that I mentioned it. *seeks out phactorri and points at him*
*pictures anime categorized by use of gaint eyes and ability to create dynamic animation*
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I can only accurately respond to this now after having taken a few animation classes myself up to this point. I've been watching anime for about 12-13 years now and I used to think that "yeah, it's the same if not better in the realm of quality" but now that I'm watching it with "new eyes" if you will, both new anime and going back to the ones I used to watch, I can definitely point out many, many, many instances where detail and budget was pulled back a bit (by a bit I mean a lot). They just do it in a way so that most peole won't notice....or care. I, too, didn't read the whole article but I'm thinking he means "detail" in more than just the straight character design aspect.
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Well, if I was to name a show with horrid animation quality, it would be InuYasha. They really cut corners a lot with that show. Most of the time, it's just a picture with a mouth animated onto it.

Quality depends on the company and is often related to the length of the series. MadHouse is known as the best in Japan, or at least the one touted for having the best quality.
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Kensou X wrote:I can only accurately respond to this now after having taken a few animation classes myself up to this point. I've been watching anime for about 12-13 years now and I used to think that "yeah, it's the same if not better in the realm of quality" but now that I'm watching it with "new eyes" if you will, both new anime and going back to the ones I used to watch, I can definitely point out many, many, many instances where detail and budget was pulled back a bit (by a bit I mean a lot). They just do it in a way so that most peole won't notice....or care. I, too, didn't read the whole article but I'm thinking he means "detail" in more than just the straight character design aspect.
Yeah, I thought that it was reffering to character designs too, not to background and inanimate objects (which are, after all, usually just drawn once). Animation of characters in manga, to me, always desparately lacks details. You often have character speaking, where only his mouth moves while the rest of the face stays still, like paralized, which is to me, irritating. Also, you have dialogue scene, with two characters in a frame, and while one character speaks, the other doesn't move a bit, doesn't even blink, is simply one cell reused all over. Then, when first one finishs talking, he paralizes, and the one that was paralized till then, regains ability to move and starts speaking. And this repeats as many times it's needed. I've seen it in movies with expensive productions, and it's even more irritating in contrast with flashy action scenes and explosions in other parts of the movie. You don't have that kind of slacking in western animated movies, not in those that get released in theatres (in straight-to-video ones and in chiep low-production animated series, however, you do). Fact is, slacking in animation one way or the other, has became a trademark in anime, of course there are movies that don't use it or that use it so well that I never noticed, but such movies are very few - just to show that anime doesn't have to be done that way and that it's not a style, or animation school, but just a manner made by lazyness and corners-cutting.
Design of characters varies, interestint thing I noticed is that Disney production in 90ies and later stick to reduced and more caricatural designs, while studios that try to take over Disney's reign (movies like "King of Egipt" and "Anastasia" come to mind) tried for a style that was almost realistic - a design of characters that failed to impress me, however smoothly animated it was.
And, hm, yeah, I don't think it would be appropriuate to compare either animation or character design of either of those with "Triplets of Bellevile". We gotta leave them some chance.

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If it's the animation that guy was complaining about then I bite, a lot of it is just shortcuts and cutting corners, you have some anime that's been animated beautifully, but like I said you have to really dig for it.
Don't mention Inuyasha it makes me sad, in my opinion Weiss Kruez (forgive the spelling if it's incorrect) was worse then Inuyasha. They had a running scene in which they drew one frame and I believe quite literally just slid the frame back and forth in front of the camera. :lol:
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ruxen wrote:If it's the animation that guy was complaining about then I bite, a lot of it is just shortcuts and cutting corners, you have some anime that's been animated beautifully, but like I said you have to really dig for it.
Don't mention Inuyasha it makes me sad, in my opinion Weiss Kruez (forgive the spelling if it's incorrect) was worse then Inuyasha. They had a running scene in which they drew one frame and I believe quite literally just slid the frame back and forth in front of the camera. :lol:
Yeah, it's an unfortunate bad habit that they picked up from doing anime in the 50's when they REALLY didn't have enough money to animate well. These habits were then discovered by two American animators some of you may know of who go by the name Hanna and Barbera and *cringe* well the rest is history I suppose.
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