Beltane or the Boss. Or Both.

[LoneWolf23k]

If I may allow myself to steal some material from Dr Seuss... (with my apologies to the Seuss heirs)

Every Fur
Down in Fur-ville
Liked Christmas a lot...

But Beltane,
Who lived in a corner of Fur-Ville,
Did NOT!

Beltane hated Christmas! The whole Christmas season!
Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
It could be that her head wasn't screwed on quite right.
It could be, perhaps, that her panties were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that her brain was two sizes too small.

But,
Whatever the reason,
Her shoes or her brain,
She stood there on Christmas Eve, almost wishing for rain,
Staring down from her appartment with a sour, Beltane sneer
At the warm lighted decorations with their cheer.
For she knew every Fur down in Fur-ville outside
Was busy now, preparing their yultide.

"And they're hanging their stockings!" she snarled with a sneer.
"Tomorrow is Christmas! It's practically here!"
Then she growled, with her twitchy fingers nervously drumming,
"I MUST find a way to keep Christmas from coming!"
For, tomorrow, she knew...

...All the Fur girls and boys
Would wake up bright and early. They'd rush for their toys!
And then! Oh, the noise! Oh, the noise! Noise! Noise! Noise!
That's one thing she hated! The NOISE! NOISE! NOISE! NOISE!

Then the Furs, young and old, would sit down to a feast.
And they'd feast! And they'd feast!
And they'd FEAST! FEAST! FEAST! FEAST!
They would start on their pudding, and their rare roast-beast
Which was something that Beltane couldn't stand in the least!

And THEN
They'd do something she liked least of all!
Every Fur down in Fur-ville, the tall and the small,
Would stand close together, with Christmas bells ringing.
They'd stand hand-in-hand. And the Whos would start singing!

They'd sing! And they'd sing!
AND they'd SING! SING! SING! SING!
And the more Beltane thought of the Fur's Christmas-Sing
The more Beltane thought, "I must stop this whole thing!
"Why for twenty-three years I've put up with it now!
I MUST stop Christmas from coming!
...But HOW?"

Then she got an idea!
An awful idea!
BELTANE
GOT A WONDERFUL, AWFUL IDEA!

...And that's where we come up to this chain of events, sadly.. Nonetheless, please allow me this other swipe from our dear Dr Seuss...

*Coughs, then grins as he starts to sing with a full-fledged musical number*

You're a mean one, Ms. Beltane
You really are a heel.
You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Ms. Beltane.

You're a bad banana
With a greasy black peel.

You're a monster, Ms. Beltane.
Your heart's an empty hole.
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul.
Ms. Beltane.

I wouldn't touch you, with a
thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.

You're a vile one, Ms. Beltane.
You have termites in your smile.
You have all the tender sweetness
Of a seasick crocodile.
Ms. Beltane.

Given the choice between the two of you
I'd take the seasick crockodile.

You're a foul one, Ms. Beltane.
You're a nasty, wasty skunk.
Your heart is full of unwashed socks
Your soul is full of gunk.
Ms. Beltane.

The three words that best describe you,
are, and I quote: "Stink. Stank. Stunk."

You're a rotter, Ms. Beltane.
You're the king of sinful sots.
Your heart's a dead tomato splot
With moldy purple spots,
Ms. Beltane.

Your soul is an apalling dump heap overflowing
with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
rubbish imaginable,
Mangled up in tangled up knots.

You nauseate me, Ms. Beltane.
With a nauseaus super-naus.
You're a crooked jerky jockey
And you drive a crooked horse.
Ms. Beltane.

You're a three decker saurkraut and toadstool
sandwich
With arsenic sauce.

*smiles and takes a bow* Thank you, I'll be here all weekend!

[Sharuuk]

<applaudes loudly>

Well done good sir........what melody was that done to? You've given me a *really* sick idea.......which you shall get FULL CREDIT for.

Shaaruuk

[Squeaky Bunny]

I think it was an original song sung by Thurl (Tony the Tiger) Ravenscroft

[LoneWolf23k]

*Gasp* Am I the only one here who's seen the classic "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" animated special, directed by Chuck Jones and Narrated by Boris Karloff?

[Mad Mike]

<applaudes loudly>

Well done good sir........what melody was that done to? You've given me a *really* sick idea.......which you shall get FULL CREDIT for.

Shaaruuk

Shaaruuk - you mean to tell us that you've NEVER seen the animated version of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas"?????

Squeaky is right - "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" was sung by Thurl Ravenscroft, who also does the voice of Tony the Tiger.

It was made in 1966 by Warner Bros, by the way.

[Mad Mike]

*Gasp* Am I the only one here who's seen the classic "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" animated special, directed by Chuck Jones and Narrated by Boris Karloff?

Absolutely not - I think that we have just found the one person on the planet who HASN'T seen it.

[Kerry Skydancer]

*Gasp* Am I the only one here who's seen the classic "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" animated special, directed by Chuck Jones and Narrated by Boris Karloff?

Absolutely not - I think that we have just found the one person on the planet who HASN'T seen it.

It's definitely much better than the live-action movie. And the song is priceless. Rent it, Sharuuk.

[UncleMonty]

If Earthlink doesn't pull this - it's a perfectly legal short-sample of the song, from the Jim Carrey version, I'm sorry to say... It's all I could find.

http://home.earthlink.net/~null-dev/tem ... grinch.mp3

[Mad Mike]

*Gasp* Am I the only one here who's seen the classic "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" animated special, directed by Chuck Jones and Narrated by Boris Karloff?

Absolutely not - I think that we have just found the one person on the planet who HASN'T seen it.

It's definitely much better than the live-action movie. And the song is priceless. Rent it, Sharuuk.

Rent it? Heck - BUY it. Go to the DVD store at Amazon (or any other online store) and run a search on "Grinch" (or drive to the local retailer and look in the animated section). It is worth it, especially if you have any relatives with young children. The animated Dr. Seuss stories made by Warner Bros. (there are several) are great.

[Sharuuk]

JEEEEEEEZZZZ........wha'd I step in?????

I've heard of the animated HTGSC and am well aware of it being narrated by the great Karlof, but alas, 'tis true have never seen it in it's entirety. Over the years I've caught parts of it on TV specials but have never seen the whole show.

I was aware of the rhythm of the song and lyrics but have never heard the actual performance........yes, I've had a somewhat deprived (if not depraved ) childhood.

Glad y'alls got a good laugh


Shaaruuk

[Alfador]

Re: the latest strip. Am I the only one floored by the inclusion of a Yule log on Beltane's verboten list? You'd think it'd be one of the few items she wouldn't ban.

Proving once again that Beltane is not doing this because of her religious beliefs. She is doing this because she is stupid.

[Sophieblue]

And what about the holly leaves?? Gee. Was mistletoe mentioned? I gave a talk at church around Christmas about What the Savior Means to Me and included the Yule log tradition, comparing primitive man's search for light in the dark winter to a lost soul searching for the light of Christ. Was Beltane there and I didn't know it?

[Mad Mike]

Re: the latest strip. Am I the only one floored by the inclusion of a Yule log on Beltane's verboten list? You'd think it'd be one of the few items she wouldn't ban.

Proving once again that Beltane is not doing this because of her religious beliefs. She is doing this because she is stupid.

And what about the holly leaves?? Gee. Was mistletoe mentioned? I gave a talk at church around Christmas about What the Savior Means to Me and included the Yule log tradition, comparing primitive man's search for light in the dark winter to a lost soul searching for the light of Christ. Was Beltane there and I didn't know it?

Hey - no one ever said she was a SMART Christianophobe...just an obnoxious one.

[DracoDei]

<tongue in cheek>

You're a nasty, wasty skunk.

Your transcription of the song seems to be almost entirely verbatum, but if someone wanted to re-write it that would be the line to start with. Ironically enough, some people around here might get offended.
</tongue in cheek>

[RKCoon]

Hrrrmmm. Ironic indeed. Firstly, I am utterly unsurprised that the author chose to do the comic as he did, recent convos between himself and I have been.... Dissapointing, to say the least. Moreover, I find myself having to ask -- are those of you of the Christian faith satisfied with yourselves, having, in short, vented your greivances and annoyances concerning this entire rather abysmal episode? Granted, be Beltanes actions as petty and closedminded as they may, I feel the need to point out a rather annoying fact -- shes pissin on on a holiday thats being celebrated on THE WRONG GODS DAMNED DAY! Is Christmas being done to celebrate the birth of Christ? If so, why not do it on the APPORPRIATE DAY (which, if memory serves, is sometime in MARCH!?)? More so, why do it on the WRONG day, so close to a Pagan holiday, that of Winter Equinox? You are going to tell me this is accidental, or unintentional?

Offencive Questions, yes? I wont deny it -- but I flat refuse to jump down Beltanes throat for going to bat for HER OWN BELEIFS, against the pressures of peers, coworkers, media, and so on. That takes a substantial amount of inner strength, ladies and gentlemen, to be the only person in a work site and sticking up for what she beleives in. Is she going about it all wrong? Very much so, she is as much doing herself damage as making a VERY bad impression to others of her faith, even I would say Hey yer goin too far -- but i would say to give credit where credit is due. Things are MUCH harder to do when your the odd (wo)man out -- and to not buckle under the pressure that both the masses and the local peers place upon those who have separate, different beleifs from the norm takes far more courage than a group of people ganging up to slander and essentially kick down ONE noisy woman. I would say before you jump on her --- or her faith --- consider what she is doing, for as much as, It would SEEM, you as a group, or faith, say she is typecasting Wiccans as hateful phobic bloodthirsty throwbacks, I would go so far as to say you as a group or faith are typecasting Christians as hateful vindictive petty beings. Is she being potrayed as such? Im forced to agree. Will Ben be potrayed as such when he moves to resolve the issue? time will tell.

Me, I am waiting to see weather Ben carries himself concerning her actions, as a respectable being by not becoming crude or abrasive, or by degrading both himself and his representation of his own faith by approaching this matter immaturely and irrisponsibly. I would say that the attempt of a fair compromise should be made, if Beltane should prove to be unwilling for such, then yes by all means she needs a slamming, and I would do so myself no less -- But if Ben goes off half cocked on a witch burn, then...well, that says less for him than his faith, as it does for Beltane and her current behavior; for each is ONE person of each faith. We already know Ben no longer works there --- I am waiting to see if he quit in protest, or if he was fired for doing much of what i see here.

THis all is prolly gonna irk a few people, but i can hardly say as im sorry. I just feel you, as the viewers, deserve to hear it from "the other side" (and no, I am not saying I am Pagan, Wiccan, or so on, just that i DO understand where these sides would come from).

[RHJunior]

Hrrrmmm. Ironic indeed. Firstly, I am utterly unsurprised that the author chose to do the comic as he did, recent convos between himself and I have been.... Dissapointing, to say the least. Moreover, I find myself having to ask -- are those of you of the Christian faith satisfied with yourselves, having, in short, vented your greivances and annoyances concerning this entire rather abysmal episode? Granted, be Beltanes actions as petty and closedminded as they may, I feel the need to point out a rather annoying fact -- shes pissin on on a holiday thats being celebrated on THE WRONG GODS DAMNED DAY!

Mister, Christmas has been celebrated in December for more than a thousand years now, okay? OVER. ONE. THOUSAND. YEARS. The last person to actively associate pagan religion with late December, without being prompted by a guidebook from a New Age Shop, was rowing around the Atlantic in a <I>viking longboat,</i> okay?

.... Things are MUCH harder to do when your the odd (wo)man out --

She's a minority, and that makes her SPECIAL!

... It would SEEM, you as a group, or faith, say she is typecasting Wiccans as hateful phobic bloodthirsty throwbacks....

No, I would accurately classify pagans and "wiccans" as foolish people who dabble in ignorant, bloodthirsty throwback cults because they swallowed the whole "noble savage/enlightened ancestors" crap hook, line and sinker.

I have no use or respect for the "religion" of paganism, I never have, I never will, and I make no effort to disguise that fact.

Why? Because in all my 33 years I have never read a single scrap of Wiccan/pagan writing or heard a shred of undiluted wiccan/pagan thinking that wasn't at root anti-science, anti-objectivist, anti-progress, anti-western, anti-human, and unsurprisingly, anti-Christian.

From the depraved greeks to the brutal romans to the bloody aztecs and incas to the cannibalistic Anasazi to the ancient human-sacrificing Celts to the developmentally stagnated tribes of Africa to the brutally oppressive cultures of ancient China and Japan, Paganism has left behind a legacy of howling ignorance, inhuman brutality and grinding social oppression that makes the tribulations of Europes Dark Age look like a period of glittering enlightenment by comparison. The most BENIGN consequence of a culture dominated by paganism was a cultural and scientific stagnation that continued for literal millenia.... until it was finally broken by contact with Western judeo-christian civilization.

<I>And these would-be modern Pagans are bringing it all back, because they believe that state, which their ancestors ABANDONED in droves, is superior to the civilization that has fed, clothed, sheltered, and protected their rights their entire lives.</i>


Are there nice, likeable, friendly, and sociable Wiccans and pagans? Yes. However, there are also nice, friendly, sociable members of the American Communist Party, card carrying members of PETA, inductees in the Flat Earth Society and followers of the Raelian flying saucer cult. <I>Their niceness and likeability does not in the least protect their beliefs from my criticism and scorn.</i>

Is my statement unpopular? Yes. Have my convictions upset, offended or angered a bunch of people? Oh, most definitely. That does not discourage me in the least. I've coped my entire life with my Christian faith being criticized, insulted, slandered, mocked, marginalized, ostracized and even criminalized, savaged in the public school systems, mistreated in the courts and flogged from the public square. My fellow believers in the Mideast, Africa, China, and countless other places in the world are being subjected **right this very minute** to political and religious persecution, oppression, and even outright slaughter. I have had to cope my entire life with the knowledge that Christians around the world are HUNTED LIKE ANIMALS to this very day.

The damned Wiccans can just learn to cope with being made fun of by a web cartoonist.

And if they can't, well then they can just go sit in their Viking longboat and SULK.

[RKCoon]

Hrrrmmm. Ironic indeed. Firstly, I am utterly unsurprised that the author chose to do the comic as he did, recent convos between himself and I have been.... Dissapointing, to say the least. Moreover, I find myself having to ask -- are those of you of the Christian faith satisfied with yourselves, having, in short, vented your greivances and annoyances concerning this entire rather abysmal episode? Granted, be Beltanes actions as petty and closedminded as they may, I feel the need to point out a rather annoying fact -- shes pissin on on a holiday thats being celebrated on THE WRONG GODS DAMNED DAY!

Mister, Christmas has been celebrated in December for more than a thousand years now, okay? OVER. ONE. THOUSAND. YEARS. The last person to actively associate pagan religion with late December, without being prompted by a guidebook from a New Age Shop, was rowing around the Atlantic in a <I>viking longboat,</i> okay?

Only ONE thousand years? According to my math, maybe im wrong, but Christ was born some 2,030 years ago, give or take a few. WHY the thousand year difference??

.... Things are MUCH harder to do when your the odd (wo)man out --

She's a minority, and that makes her SPECIAL!

Only so much as every other being on this world.

... It would SEEM, you as a group, or faith, say she is typecasting Wiccans as hateful phobic bloodthirsty throwbacks....

No, I would accurately classify pagans and "wiccans" as foolish people who dabble in ignorant, bloodthirsty throwback cults because they swallowed the whole "noble savage/enlightened ancestors" crap hook, line and sinker.

As I know many of Pagan, Wiccan, and similar faiths -- as well as those of Catholic, JW, Muslim, and so on, view Christians as blind sheep following thier "savior" out of blind fear, stemming from words from a book. Example -- You fear God (or at least the concept of such), do you not? I do NOT. You allow Christ to enslave you, live thru you? Fine, Be my guest -- but realise that more and more people thruout this world utterly REFUSE -- and wish to live life for thier OWN. To many, Life is the greatest gift, and no matter who or WHAT gave them this gift, they REFUSE to give it to any other, OR HAVE IT TAKEN FROM THEM, and WILL defend it.

I have no use or respect for the "religion" of paganism, I never have, I never will, and I make no effort to disguise that fact.

As I make little attempt to viel my own of Christianity --- However, I DO make substantial effort to maintain public decorum, insomuch as I wish to have MY beleifs treated with the same respect that I make great strides to give other faiths. Dislike the religion yes, but do so, to show respect both for other people, and the fact that they are as steadfast in thier beleifs as you in yours. I have ALWAYS beleived people have the right, as living beings, to worship however -- and whatever, they wish -- but that means that I do as well, and ALL have the right to SAY,PEACEFULLY, to the other that they feel the other is wrong. So long as it STAYS within words; as we are ALL living, spirited beings we will never perfectly agree on anything, we ALL may do as we wish. What you tend to forget, RHJunior, and indeed many Right Wingers, is one of the fundamental princibles of Wiccans Pagans and similar is DO AS YOU WISH, SO LONG AS YOU HARM NONE. This is taken to mean the Physical, not the verbal or mental. Can Christianity, OR the Right Wing in General, Make this claim??

Why? Because in all my 33 years I have never read a single scrap of Wiccan/pagan writing or heard a shred of undiluted wiccan/pagan thinking that wasn't at root anti-science, anti-objectivist, anti-progress, anti-western, anti-human, and unsurprisingly, anti-Christian.

And I, in my near 24 years, have found few religions as anti progressive, anti equity, anti Human, and indeed, anti WORLD, as Christianity. More troubling still, when you realise that Christianity, Catholism, Muslim, JW, Jewish, and several others STEM from the same square chunk of barren desert that has had blood shed apon it for the last 7,000 Years plus --with only twice in history this region having peace, first when the Romans ruled with an Iron Fist, and the Nazis, doing the same. Gods, they are STILL FIGHTING TODAY!!

From the depraved greeks to the brutal romans to the bloody aztecs and incas to the cannibalistic Anasazi to the ancient human-sacrificing Celts to the developmentally stagnated tribes of Africa to the brutally oppressive cultures of ancient China and Japan, Paganism has left behind a legacy of howling ignorance, inhuman brutality and grinding social oppression that makes the tribulations of Europes Dark Age look like a period of glittering enlightenment by comparison. The most BENIGN consequence of a culture dominated by paganism was a cultural and scientific stagnation that continued for literal millenia.... until it was finally broken by contact with Western judeo-christian civilization.

<I>And these would-be modern Pagans are bringing it all back, because they believe that state, which their ancestors ABANDONED in droves, is superior to the civilization that has fed, clothed, sheltered, and protected their rights their entire lives.</i>

Abandoned it? Dont be so sure. More like took great strides to CONCEAL it, for fear of being tortured, ostracized and even slaughtered under the then growing weight of Christianity and related religions, and the people within, blinded by the words of thier "leaders", they acting in the instinctual fear of what may lie beyond life, and the leaders of such bound determined to control THIS life for all. Christianity on its own has a long standing legacy of "Obey or be Destroyed", and this has been proven thruout history. It is only now, with the powers of media, law, and education and equity that it has become safe enough to return from the threat of mass brutal genocide.

Are there nice, likeable, friendly, and sociable Wiccans and pagans? Yes. However, there are also nice, friendly, sociable members of the American Communist Party, card carrying members of PETA, inductees in the Flat Earth Society and followers of the Raelian flying saucer cult. <I>Their niceness and likeability does not in the least protect their beliefs from my criticism and scorn.</i>

Nor does your behavior protect yuou from scorn, yourself.

Is my statement unpopular? Yes. Have my convictions upset, offended or angered a bunch of people? Oh, most definitely. That does not discourage me in the least. I've coped my entire life with my Christian faith being criticized, insulted, slandered, mocked, marginalized, ostracized and even criminalized, savaged in the public school systems, mistreated in the courts and flogged from the public square. My fellow believers in the Mideast, Africa, China, and countless other places in the world are being subjected **right this very minute** to political and religious persecution, oppression, and even outright slaughter. I have had to cope my entire life with the knowledge that Christians around the world are HUNTED LIKE ANIMALS to this very day.

This i get from one who privately condones Genocide? for no crime against Christianity other than not kissing its ass? Riiight. Upset and BE upset, I would say is fair. You like to paint Christianity as a victimised religion, yet when looked at from a view that has no care for Christianity, you find they are hardly victims of anything, other than their leaders manipulating thier masses to beleive such, while commiting greatly horrific acts of thier own.

The damned Wiccans can just learn to cope with being made fun of by a web cartoonist.

As can the damned Christians cope with realising that every year, thier religion dwindles in the twilight. Check the numbers - Christianity has taken a decline of i think its 15-20% in worldly popularity in the last hundred years, between both the diversification of right wing religions, but also the re emergance of the Left wing paths as well.

And if they can't, well then they can just go sit in their Viking longboat and SULK.

Or, as We of the, I will say Occult, have been doing, begin educating the upcoming leaders and members of the world in the past, AS IT IS, for ALL religions --- and ALLOW them to make thier own choice, in faith, in beleifs, and in actions taken. ALL Religions have a history of denying this RIGHT OF CHOICE, this RIGHT OF EXISTANCE --- but how many can lay claim on the intent to change such??

[TilasTrinity]

I've been reading all this madness, and I gotta say....

You hyper religious people can be blind, deaf, and dumb, yknow that? <o.o>

REALLY, think about this. You're religions tell you to practise TOLERANCE, ACCEPTANCE, and UNDERSTANDING, but DO you ever do that? NO! You think and act like "omfg he's not liek me so hes a lozerr an i hav to bust his ass lol" like bloody chat room MORONS! I mean common, get OFF your high horses okay? It's one thing to not like something because it's different, it's okay not to want to do things because they're different, but RESPECT DEMANDS RESPECT. If YOU want THEM to respect you, RESPECT THEM! The human race was granted with the gift of free will, and with such, we are allowed to make our OWN decisions about life, and make our OWN choices. You don't like what someone else chose to do in life? TOUGH SLAG. That still does NOT give you the right condemn them for what they think or feel. The same thing goes for them, it's a two way street.

Pointing this one at RHJunior for a moment, does the bible not say "Do unto others, as you would have done unto you"? so lemme ask you this...

If you follow the bible and your faith as close as you've been claming, why aren't you obeying this one simple verse? Is it really so hard?

Hell, this is towards anyone and everyone, religious or not! If everyone on the planet would follow this one simple statement, there would be no problems!

DO UNTO OTHER AS YOU WOULD HAVE DONE UNTO YOU!

Maybe you all should stop and think about that for a bit hm?

[RHJunior]

....
REALLY, think about this. You're religions tell you to practise TOLERANCE, ACCEPTANCE, and UNDERSTANDING

No, actually, our first doctrine is forgiving. But to paraphrase, before forgivin' comes judgin', otherwise you don't know what it is you're forgivin'.... and in betwen comes REPENTANCE, which means admitting you need forgivin'.

Sorry, "Do as thou wilt" is Alistair Crowley, not Jesus Christ.

DO UNTO OTHER AS YOU WOULD HAVE DONE UNTO YOU!

"And if I could make these letters larger, they would be!"


Just out of curiousity, does "do unto others" include telling people the truth... even if it hurts their feelings?

See, I think it does. I would like to think real compassion would encompass telling someone "don't stick your dick in a lightsocket, stupid."

See, a hateful person lets someone do something stupid, or irrational, or immoral, or self destructive, and doesn't say anything--- and a truly evil person <I>encourages</i> them to do it, in the name of liberation or self-enlightenment or self-esteem or whatever other cock-and-bull psychobabble is stroking egos round the cocktail parties this week.

This may come as an earth-shattering concept to you, <I>But freedom to believe as you please DOES NOT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO NEVER HAVE YOUR BELIEFS CRITICIZED OR MOCKED, <b>AND IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT MAKE ALL BELIEF SYSTEMS EQUALLY VALID.</b></i>

And if you can't COPE with that, take your plate and cup and go back to the children's table. You're not old enough for a big-boy chair yet.

[TilasTrinity]

Just out of curiousity, does "do unto others" include telling people the truth... even if it hurts their feelings?

See, I think it does. I would like to think real compassion would encompass telling someone "don't stick your dick in a lightsocket, stupid."

See, a hateful person lets someone do something stupid, or irrational, or immoral, or self destructive, and doesn't say anything--- and a truly evil person encourages them to do it, in the name of liberation or self-enlightenment or self-esteem or whatever other cock-and-bull psychobabble is stroking egos round the cocktail parties this week.

And a REAL person would be polite, curteous, and tolerant, not immature like you're little example above, now wouldn't they? I'd hate to think you're entire belief system is as childish as that. Like I said before, respect demands respect, and if you cannot at least do THAT, then you are suffering from severe little man syndrome.

This may come as an earth-shattering concept to you, But freedom to believe as you please DOES NOT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO NEVER HAVE YOUR BELIEFS CRITICIZED OR MOCKED, AND IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT MAKE ALL BELIEF SYSTEMS EQUALLY VALID.

Oh but of course, everyone can expect to be critizized for what they belive and what they think, but tell me, who are YOU to say what belief system is more valid then the other? Simply, who died and mad you god? No one, that's who. You, me, RK, no one has the right to say who is better then who, as human beings we are EQUAL, and that's what REALLY matters.

And if you can't COPE with that, take your plate and cup and go back to the children's table. You're not old enough for a big-boy chair yet.

Big-GIRL chair, thank you. And as for 'coping', I really could careless about your religion or about anyone elses. I have my own religion, and as long as you don't force yours down MY throat, I won't try to force mine down YOURS (I think my beliefs would scare a poor blind soul like you anyways). The only thing I'm trying to get to is this, maybe if you, and other hyper religious people like you would maybe open your eyes and see the rest of the world, we'd be a happier place.