here's a question

[War]

Currently on an Athlon 2000 with a matched pair of 512mb dimms, a 60 gig hdd and a secondary 40 gig one.Just gotta decide whether I should cough up

[KittyKatBlack]

3. Kill all humans.

Just remember that technicly I'm not a human. *coughs*

[Ayame Ex_Goddess]

I personally am a PC fan. I'm just more comfortable with them. I mean, most things are on PC, so sharing is easier. There are a lot more games, and it's just what I grew up with so I know a lot about them.

I dislike Macs mainly because they are making themselves so cutting edge that they are an inconvienience. The new ones don't even have zip drives. WHY!?! Zips aren't outdated yet! They're cheaper and easier to use than CD's all the time! And soon, those little memory sticks won't even work on them! I DO NOT want to get a portable hard drive just to move files between computers thankyouverymuch. I also dislike them because of the people who swear by them. If you like a mac, that's great. If you don't want a PC, good for you. But don't spend 3 hours screaming at me because I don't want an Apple iBook. No, I don't care if it attaches to the iPod, and I don't care if it wirelessly links to any iMac. STOP PUSHING IT ON ME!!!

Not that everyone is like that, but most mac users I'VE met are.

I agree with you though, being in an art school, we learn EVERYTHING on Macs. My teachers, while amiable and polite people, are biased towards Macs. They tote that PC's are the spawn of Satan and if you use one for art you will invariably be shunned by all, never get work, and die a cold and lonely shell of a human being.

As for windows; I use it because it's easy. I'd use Linux if I could be bothered with trying to learn source code. I can barely write HTML.

[Xmung]

i use a mac at home and a pc at work. both have their good points and both sometimes make me want to throw them out the window! why can some evil scientist graft the good bits together into some new hybrid monster computer? (what would it be called?)

[Zuri]

Computers are very complex things, and for the people who design and build them it's impossible to create something that will be perfect for everybody. Things that are more flexible are going to be harder to use. Thing that look nicer aren't going to be as fast. The nice thing about having more then one type of computer, is that we can find one that matches what we think is important. Each is going to have it's own unique set of advantages. Example:

Windows
Adv: Easy to setup and use. Crap loads of applications.
Dis: Lots of viruses and spyware.

Macs
Adv: No viruses, very visually appealing, good number of applications
Dis: Expensive

Linux
Adv: Cheap, No Virus, very customizable
Dis: Not really user friendly, lacking in software.

And these are just the three most popular choices; there are other platforms too that have their own unique ups and downs. There are more specific comparisons of course than the ones listed that could be made, and many people's assumptions are based more on outdated, biased, or second hand information than acutal fact. Depending on the job that needs to be done, one platform might out preform another for example. Or a particular industry might be biased towards a particular platform for very specific reasons.

The point is, no platform is perfect, and while it's okay to like the platform you use, it's not fair to slam someone else for using a different one.

Though, there is one area in which I will slam people. Your freedom ends, where is affects me; if you use Windows, get and use anti-virus REGULARLY. Getting ass-loads of virus emails every day is getting annoying. It's the price you pay for having the most popular OS; it's not your fault, it's just the state of things. A reality of your OS of choice.

[War]

Linux doesn't really lack software, all it really lacks is games. If you want user friendly try Lindows.

[Sippan]

Computers are very complex things, and for the people who design and build them it's impossible to create something that will be perfect for everybody. Things that are more flexible are going to be harder to use. Thing that look nicer aren't going to be as fast. The nice thing about having more then one type of computer, is that we can find one that matches what we think is important. Each is going to have it's own unique set of advantages. Example:

Windows
Adv: Easy to setup and use. Crap loads of applications.
Dis: Lots of viruses and spyware.

Macs
Adv: No viruses, very visually appealing, good number of applications
Dis: Expensive

Linux
Adv: Cheap, No Virus, very customizable
Dis: Not really user friendly, lacking in software.

And these are just the three most popular choices; there are other platforms too that have their own unique ups and downs. There are more specific comparisons of course than the ones listed that could be made, and many people's assumptions are based more on outdated, biased, or second hand information than acutal fact. Depending on the job that needs to be done, one platform might out preform another for example. Or a particular industry might be biased towards a particular platform for very specific reasons.

The point is, no platform is perfect, and while it's okay to like the platform you use, it's not fair to slam someone else for using a different one.

Though, there is one area in which I will slam people. Your freedom ends, where is affects me; if you use Windows, get and use anti-virus REGULARLY. Getting ass-loads of virus emails every day is getting annoying. It's the price you pay for having the most popular OS; it's not your fault, it's just the state of things. A reality of your OS of choice.

Congratulations, receive the Forum Objectiveness Award!! ^_^

[Phalanx]

Not that everyone is like that, but most mac users I'VE met are.

*hugs her PowerBook and cries*

But as a (non-agressive) Mac user, I should point out something:

a) Any USB mouse works with a Mac. And right click IS supported. I don't get the big deal about the one button click thing. But then again, I'm a power user, I use keyboard shortcuts for everything so I don't really notice.

b) On a base level, Macs are actually a little bit more intuitive than Windows. However, as most people are more used to, and therefore are more skilled at using Windows, they'd be more comfortable with something they are familiar with. I mean, you probably felt the same way about Windows when you started learning it. *shrugs*

I hated the Mac OS when I first used it because I didn't know how to use it. Once I got the hang of things, I loved it.

c) There are games for Mac, just not as many as the PC and at not at the same prices And we always get em later than everybody else. (The new Unreal Tournament is the exception here. Did you see the Demo?! Wow!)

Answering some questions raised:

Most Macs come standard with a one button mouse, and requires you to HOLD DOWN A BUTTON on the keyboard while you click in order to do much of anything.

Ctrl + click has the same effect, just so you know.

I also hate using them, because they don't let you do anything you want to do. You're only allowed to do what it wants you to do
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I was using some video editing program on a G4 at school once. Every time I tried to use an option from the drop down lists, I got a stupid little popup saying "Are you sure you want to do that?" and I click "YES" and it's all like. "Sorry, but I can't do it anyway." and all it had was a damn Cancel button. It drove me insane.

Erm, I hate to break it to you, but that's the VIDEO SOFTWARE's fault. They're written by different people, you know.

It's like blaming Windows because Adobe Photoshop takes up too many resources or GTA is too hard to play and you keep dying.

It's got completely nothing to do with the computer!

Why are there no viruses and spyware for Mac's? Because anyone that knows ANYTHING about a computer (I.E. the people that make viruses) don't USE THEM because they realize how crappy they really are.

Actually, that's because most viruses are written using .exe files, which don't run on Macs.

Because they refuse to admit that PC's have the right idea and are purposely making things more difficult just to be 'different'.

Long long ago, there was a Mac innovation called the trash can. It allowed users to drag the files they didn't want to an icon of a trash can and it would delete the file for them! It revolutionary idea! It was different! It used graphics instead of command lines!

Does that concept sound familiar to you? It should.

Also, notice the number of WHITE computers (with round speakers) on the market after the introduction of the white iMac? PC makers might snicker at Macs for being different, but they sure aren't adverse to copying them, are they?

I'm not saying everything that the Mac does is right. But I think they have the right idea in that they experiment. Without experimentation, a lot of things would have never been discovered.

I have to agree though, that every Mac and Windows argument seems to degrade into a history of company wars. (Windows stole from Mac, Mac blah blah blah) Mac people hate Microsoft because they are a monopoly. What most of them don't know is that back in the 80's (I think it was the 80s anyway) Apple was the monopoly and Microsoft were the underdogs. Interesting, no?

Personally, I'd like to see Both Apple and Microsoft at the same status, because then there'd be COMPETITION. And when there's competition, the consumer gets the best deals

The problem *I* have with Macs are their fanatics. It's like religion, you know? People don't like them being pushed on them.

Except for one thing: For god's sake don't use IE for Mac! That's the lousiest Mac browser on the face of the earth!

The way the gossip is going, however, Linux is set to the next big thing. It has one very great power over both OS X and Windows: It's free.

One plea I have to those participating in this coversation though: please check that your arguments do hold water please. Be logical and for god's sake DON'T say things like: I hate Macs because I hate Switch advertisements (Microsoft had them too), or I hate Windows because of Clippit the Paper Clip!

Well... maybe hating Clippit is justified...

[Nyke]

And for a pretty darn good essay on WHY exactly one should use Linux (or Mac OS or any other OS) instead of Windows, check this out. (Nobody takes it seriously because of the domain name, but just read it...it's got good points.)

Disclaimer: I'm not embracing Mac OS in any way here, I'm just against Windows.

A rebuttal in three forms

[MechaByrd]

3. Kill all humans.

Just remember that technicly I'm not a human. *coughs*

Oh really. Then what are you? :Browses U archives...:

You must be the Glomar-TG38 Telegraph Generator that went missing in 1905, built by none other than the famous F. Nicklebie. Frederic Nickelbie was a Finnish telegraph operator for the Nyordak International Marble Company, the world's only supplier of the controversial Corriolis Backspin Masher, a marble that was perfectly spherical within .00008mm, but had performance characteristics that positively frightened health officials and fishermen alike. The final blow was the discovery of unstable Cadmium isotopes in the marbles, and they were ordered off the market. Frederic got all the odd jobs at the plant and was ordered to destroy the units, and saw this as a perfect opportunity to display his underappreciated metalworking skills. Using bits of stray wire from decommisioned telegraph equipment, he built a machine that not only answered telegraphs for him, but destroyed the marbles as well. It did so by dropping the marbles onto a custom-built keyboard, thus smashing them to bits. No one is sure what mathematics enabled the machine to do this, but no one found out because after two weeks of operation, Frederic came to work one morning to find that the machine had ordered a moving company to transport itself to an unknown location, right after it had sold every last one of Nyordak's stocks, all by telegraph. Mr. Nicklebie was killed that evening by a bengal tiger delivered to his house that was ordered by "an anonymous benefactor" according to Glokkenbach Movers and Associates.

Yeah, I'm onto you, Glomar, you're still smashing marbles, browsing forums, and causing trouble.

[KittyKatBlack]

3. Kill all humans.

Just remember that technicly I'm not a human. *coughs*

Oh really. Then what are you? :Browses U archives...:

Actually, I am a human, I was just going to pretend to be an anthropormorphic kitty to avoid being brutily murdered by War. Thanks a lot....

Most Macs come standard with a one button mouse, and requires you to HOLD DOWN A BUTTON on the keyboard while you click in order to do much of anything.

Ctrl + click has the same effect, just so you know.

As far as I know, Ctrl + Click is.... well... holding down a button on the keyboard while you click... which... is what I said. I think...

Why are there no viruses and spyware for Mac's? Because anyone that knows ANYTHING about a computer (I.E. the people that make viruses) don't USE THEM because they realize how crappy they really are.

Actually, that's because most viruses are written using .exe files, which don't run on Macs.

And .exe files are written on non-mac computers... hence me saying that people that write viruses DON'T use Macs.

Because they refuse to admit that PC's have the right idea and are purposely making things more difficult just to be 'different'.

Long long ago, there was a Mac innovation called the trash can. It allowed users to drag the files they didn't want to an icon of a trash can and it would delete the file for them! It revolutionary idea! It was different! It used graphics instead of command lines!

Does that concept sound familiar to you? It should.

Yes. It does. I hate that thing. I dont' use the recycle bin in windows, because it's stupid. (I shift + delete things to bypass the recycle bin.) Plus, Mac also had this "Why do we need a button to eject a floppy disk! We can just have them drag it to the trash can to pop it out!" I guess if there is a bright person working at Apple, they were sick that day, or they would have said. "Wait... what if the power is out, and they need to get their disk out, but can't turn on the computer?" I assume he got better and finally came back, since I think at least a couple Macs have an eject button now....

[MechaByrd]

Just remember that technicly I'm not a human. *coughs*

Oh really. Then what are you? :Browses U archives...:

Actually, I am a human, I was just going to pretend to be an anthropormorphic kitty to avoid being brutily murdered by War. Thanks a lot....

Uh huh, that's a likely story...GLOMAR!

[KittyKatBlack]

Uh huh, that's a likely story...GLOMAR!

Sure, sure... whatever.


By the way, don't leave the house today. You should have a package arriving soon...

[Xmung]

3. Kill all humans.

did you see the futurama episode in which bender talks in his sleep?
"hey sexy mama - wanna kill all humans?" hehehe

just as an afterthought re this topic...

pcs are just boxes waiting for an o/s - windows, linux, whatever
macs can only ever really be macs (although you can force it to be a windows o/s)
ergo - pcs are like dogs, macs are like cats!

[Sippan]

There used to be viruses for Mac OS. But since the introduction of Mac OS X, not a single virus exists. There are MORE Mac OS users now than there were before, and since Mac OS X is UNIX-based, there are also more powerusers than before and users are able to do more. To say that the lack of viruses is because nobody has tried to make one is silly.

I think it can be attributable to Microsoft's programmers. Basically 90% of all Windows viruses function *only* because of bugs and security holes in Microsoft software. Since Mac OS X was released years ago, there has only been two major security holes.

But let's stop soon, this thread was supposed to be about how we should all get along, we are all totally working against the point

[Jeffy]

okay, good and bad points eh? here is my opinion as an... says on this card Information Systems Support Specialist

PC: (Windows, only Linux I know is command prompt)
pros
1) Stable - I haven't had a blue screen on my 98se for years, and my XP Pro computers NEVER have a problem
2) Compatability - most things are designed for Windows before other OS's (aside from OS specific hardware or software)
3) Games - not sure what the other OS's have, but Windows has most of the selection
4) Multimedia - I don't do video rendering, so I don't know how much faster a Mac is at that, but I've never seen a Mac that's faster at image editing than a computer I've built, even my old PIII 450mhz, with 512 pc133, Voodoo 3 3000 ran the same versions of Photoshop and Flash noticably faster than on the faster Mac machines at college
5) Upgrading - You can pick and choose anything you want based on price, quality, brand name, whatever. You can replace just one part or rebuild the whole computer, and building a computer from scratch is a lot cheaper than buying and equivialent PC from any company.
cons
1) Stability - If you don't know how to take care of your computer, you're going to be bitching at it constantly for being slow and unstable (usually due to many things running at once and lack of 'maintenance'). Also, if you're not using Windows 2000 or XP, you'll have to restart your computer occasionally to refresh your memory.
2) Compatability - Since most things are designed for Windows, Windows was designed to try and be able to accept whatever was thrown at it, so not everything works like it's supposed to and sometimes has conflicts with other things that, while complying with Windows, don't comply with the other soft'hardware.
3) Games - nothing bad about this
4) Multimedia - Not as good at video rendering? I don't know, but if you're not using XP or 2000, you'll be running out of memory if you do a lot of this. Of course, I'm not sure how Macs handle RAM usage.
5) Upgrading - Can be confusing to people who aren't experienced in computers, but then they could just buy a whole computer just like a Mac, so this isn't really that bad of a point... but hell, I just love playing with my computers too much to be completely unbiased on this one.

Mac:
pros
1) Stable

[KittyKatBlack]

Yeah. Some Mac users get to the point where they're like militant vegitarians.

[McDuffies]

Linux doesn't really lack software, all it really lacks is games. If you want user friendly try Lindows.

Actually, it's even better when it comes to those little, pass-time games. I recently played one for players max where you're a rabbit and your goal is to jump on other rabit's head and kill him. Game is brutal but apsolutely adorable.

[Sippan]

Yeah. Some Mac users get to the point where they're like militant vegitarians.

Macs are evil, sinister devices spawned from the ill-advised mating of goats with technology....PC users hate Mac users because they're being falsely persecuted by the Mac community, when everyone really knows, they want PCs.

Yeah, sure is annoying

[Grabmygoblin]

Yeah. Some Mac users get to the point where they're like militant vegitarians.

*cocks gun* it's vegetarians!