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Jaster! · Post by **Jaster!** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:47 pm

lord_blackfang wrote:#3) Not funny. Hm. This is the biggest blow to me. First, I'll go beat up Ugo, he comes up with most of the jokes. I'll think of something more constructive later. I certainly won't steal other's jokes, as most of the strip is based on real events, just spiced up a bit.

THIS is your problem. "Real events, spiced up a bit." This is only a good thing if the things you and your friends do are interesting to other people. Things that are funny to your clique of friends (especially via inside jokes), will translate as completely boring or dumb to everyone else on Earth. If you exaggerate dumb and boring things, they're just a lot more dumb or boring.

So basically, you need to work on jokes that are more universally funny, or if you must have self-referential humour, make sure your characters and situations are well established before you jump into it. (Having your characters come out and say "Hi! My name's Blippity Bloo Blah, and I'm cuh-razy!" does NOT equate with being well established).

Also realize that being funny conversationally while talking to people in real life does not mean you'll be a funny writer, they're completely different animals.

Anvil · Post by **Anvil** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:51 pm

I can't beleive some people here. *sigh* I hereby apologise for the stupidity of mankind as a whole.

Your coloring is better than mine. http://howdragons.keenspace.com/ and go from the beginning forwards a few. Then again, that's all pencilled coloring. Just work on it! It'll get better.

And actually, your art IS NOT that bad. your humans actually LOOK human

Heck, it greatly reminds me of http://www.userfriendly.org if you ask me.

File size - yes, it is pretty slow to load. Oh! I can see the images now - I think it was my firewall, or somethign. I dunno. Maybe it was just my computer yacking again. I rebooted and it works now. Smaller filesize definitely.

As for the jokes - They could use some work. I didn't find them as bad as SOME people think they are. Somewhat crude, but I think its fitting for young male humans to make bad jokes. Some of them are groaners, some are flat, but it could be worse. If you want an example of a REALLY bad joke, read my "How dragons Tell jokes." which, I think, only 3 people I've talked to have gotten it without help.

I think you are doing good on improving. I didn't read all the comics, but I did like what I see. Just practice!

PsykotiK · Post by **PsykotiK** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:54 pm

Look, as far as comics go you've got to be one of three things, either you're funny, you've got kickamble artwork or you've got a cult following. This guy ain't got none, ain't gonna ever have none, is always gonna be the same as most of the other shidzwam on keen so the sooner him and all the bindles who look the same poom off and stop hogging the server the happier i'll be, simple as that.

Anvil · Post by **Anvil** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:55 pm

Addition: I just got to Strip Solitaire - maybe its jst me, but it cracked me up.

"I won! yay!" *toss skivies*

The latest one is good too. You're getting better at cleaning up the art before coloring it as well.

PsykotiK · Post by **PsykotiK** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:01 pm

Oh god, put it away and stop doing that to your skivvy, its a criping comic and god help any decent ones when you get near 'em, they'll be covered in something white and sticky, what a twisted little goot you are

Jaster! · Post by **Jaster!** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:02 pm

PsykotiK wrote:Look, as far as comics go you've got to be one of three things, either you're funny, you've got kickass artwork or you've got a cult following. This guy ain't got none, ain't gonna ever have none, is always gonna be the same as most of the other shite on keen so the sooner him and all the bitches who look the same piss off and stop hogging the server the happier i'll be, simple as that.

Cult followings have to come from somewhere, they're not going to appear the instant you start uploading comics. Kickass artwork doesn't happen instantly either, we all had our stick figures and crap drawings. Just because somebody has a rough start doesn't mean you have to be a jerk and completely discourage them. As far as the humour goes, you don't seem to have much room to talk as your comic seems to mostly consist of really bad puns based on movie titles or band names.

I'd like to think of Keen as a friendly community, so if you're going to be brutal, how about a little constructiveness to go along with it? This forum has stayed relatively Troll-free, and it'd be awesome if it could stay that way.

Anvil · Post by **Anvil** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:06 pm

I agree Jaster. The guy asked for constructive criticism.. not swearing and cursing and jealous insults.

Lord Blackfang, just ignore Psyc. He'll loose intrest eventually. If he doesn't like it he can just not read it. nobody's MAKING him read it, right?

PS - You did really good on the squid/octopus.

PsykotiK · Post by **PsykotiK** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:08 pm

Cult followings concerned with comics come from A: kickarnble artwork or B: funny stuff, i feel my point is made.

Stick figures and crap drawings?!!?! Speak fer yourself.

As for dealing out disrespect to our humour, god help you, if you can't get with the program, get the foolie off the train.

Anvil · Post by **Anvil** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:10 pm

PsykotiK wrote:As for dealing out disrespect to our humour, god help you, if you can't get with the program, get the fk off the train.

And if you dont like the comic, don't read it.

Everyone has their own tastes in humor and what kind of art is 'good' ... me, I love british humor, puns and silliness. But I hate CGI (well, not HATE hate, but not love either), love stories and extremely long plots. Some people will like his comic, some people wont. Some people think blood and gore is 'cool', while others are disgusted about it. Does that make gory comics 'bad' just cause someone doesn't like it? Of course not! It just means that they have their opinion like everyone else.

You don't like his comic? Fine. Don't read it. Nobody's making you. That's your choice to make.

I think someone on the board once said "it doesn't matter if people like the comic. A vast majority of comics on keenspace are done because of PERSONAL ENJOYMENT."

I think if he enjoys making the comics, then he has every right to put it up online, the same as you, me or picasso would.

Its not my place to say it, but I think you should be a little more mature and civilized, even if its about something you hate.

K-Dawg · Post by **K-Dawg** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:11 pm

Yeah honestly don't even pay attention to those two. You know now what you need to do to improve the comic so start working on it. My only advice is continue to draw, practice a lot and eventually you will improve.

PsykotiK · Post by **PsykotiK** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:11 pm

Look, there's more to this than just the one bag of shoozie comic, keen's full of the stuff. It's taking the poosh, yes its has gotten to the point where it needs a drunken man to stand up for humouress well drawn comics, but gooleydarnit, that time is now. I won't sit idly by whilst you so called comic artists offer praise to this type of cridsnip, gooley darn it, it has to go, all of it, and i mean right now.

Jaster! · Post by **Jaster!** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:14 pm

I guarantee the first thing you drew isn't as good as anything you draw now. If it was, I feel sorry for you, apparently drawing all your life and never getting any better. Most of us started drawing when we were just old enough to pick up a pencil, I know I did. I'm sorry your so arrogant to think the things you drew in kindergarden were masterpieces, but lemme tell you, they were crap. Sorry.

I read all 35 "comics" on your site, and none of them were even clever. The art was decent, but nothing to write home about. And don't worry, I doubt I'll ever be visiting your site again, you can consider me well off the train, troll.

Being a jerk is a really good way to not get a cult following.

PsykotiK · Post by **PsykotiK** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:18 pm

skuse me chap but i may not have mentioned. I am no artist. I am no comedian. I have not drawn naff all, ever, but god knows if i did it would suck giant armadillos. So, funnily enough, i don't draw. See that? I don't draw cause i can't draw anything good, isn't that clever? DO THE GOOLEYDARN SAME!!!

Anvil · Post by **Anvil** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:18 pm

Once again, well said, Jaster. *applauds*

Comics are like cattle breeds - everyone has their own opinion on them.

PsykotiK · Post by **PsykotiK** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:21 pm

Anyways, lee herold's a total jimboola... tell me he ain't got a cult following :-/

Jaster! · Post by **Jaster!** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:21 pm

PsykotiK wrote:skuse me chap but i may not have mentioned. I am no artist. I am no comedian. I have not drawn fk all, ever, but god knows if i did it would suck giant ass. So, funnily enough, i don't draw. See that? I don't draw cause i can't draw anything good, isn't that clever? DO THE GODDAMN SAME!!!

The best way to learn is by doing. The only way to learn how to draw is by drawing. They're practicing. Like everybody else has said, if you don't want to look at bad art, don't look at it. In the top right corner of every window there's a lovely little "X" that you can click, and it will all go away forever. Take your immature vendettas elsewhere, please.

PsykotiK · Post by **PsykotiK** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:23 pm

That's just it, they don't go away forever, in fact they don't go away at all. They breed, they breed like rabbits. Every time i go to the keen list there's a bunch of new comics all the same as this guy's shoozie. Practice in your own time, in your own space, where i can't see it, else i'm gonna boomboomtiss until you do, understanding me yet?

Jaster! · Post by **Jaster!** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:23 pm

PsykotiK wrote:Anyways, lee herold's a total jerk... tell me he ain't got a cult following :-/

I don't see Lee Harold running around forums, cussing and telling newbies to stop drawing everything forever because they suck. Besides that, his comic's actually funny. Go figure!

I understand your vendetta, it's just retarded. You're not going to stop the rest of the world from putting stuff on the internet, and everyone on the internet isn't instantly going to get good at drawing. If the Keen list bugs you, quit looking at it. It's not rocket science! Heck, it's not even basic math.

PsykotiK · Post by **PsykotiK** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:26 pm

Chopping block's total unadulterated genius, always has been, ever since the first comic, Lee herold's a god, a comic genius, he deserves praise the kind of has never been seen the world over. Never the less, he is a jimboolie, and has a cult following. My point exactly.

>mach? · Post by **>mach?** » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:26 pm

.... obviously you've only taken time to look at the past couple of 'comics' i've done and not bothered to read into anything else on the site, such as the iNFo page which explains where i'm coming from with the site.... When i started oToSoM (well, myself and Psyk), I knew it wan't gonna be the conventional, 'traditional' webcomic, quite simply because i'm giving it a fair bit of time for me to get used to the whole online comic experience, seein' as this is my first venture into it as a whole. Eventually, when i've had a bit of a 'web existence' and found my ground, possibly leading up to a year, maybe less, and also when i've got enough time on my hands to attempt a proper comic (cos contrary to popular belief, i do HAVE a life.... especially one away from the Internet, unlike many people here apparently) i'll do one. Cos i'm such a damn perfectionist y'see, and lately i've been slacking a bit with the whole update thing as i've been sorting out storylines for different project ideas and so forth, this is why i've put up PULP non-FiCTioN over the next 2 weeks, which is the first comic i've ever completed and it was done over 5 years ago. So obviously my artwork has progressed over the years, particularly in the past few months as i've been experimenting like mad with my artwork. Rest assured, with time oToSoM will be the home of ACTUAL comics with SToRYLiNES and everything!!

Shock-horror!!

Well, enough of my mad rant.... just thought i'd say all that shit....

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