Yikes... (4/1)

ZOMBIE USER 7262 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 7262** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 8:28 pm

Um... the machines are revolting, now? That's aaaaaaaaaaall Furriston (and the rest of the world) needs. It's not enough that Mikey's plotting evilness and the shadow people are losing their protection...

Gotta hand it to you, Gene...that last panel sent chills down my spine, and my eyes were open even wider than the very surprised tomcat's.

Kaerou · Post by **Kaerou** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 5:58 pm

sounds a bit like that old stephen spielberg movie, Maximum Overdrive =)

tell us, did you get the idea from movies like this? or was it somehting you came up with on your own? ^_^

Darking · Post by **Darking** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 2:20 pm

Well, at least we know it's not a general revolt, and the machine won't be assmiliating anyone anytime soon.

Still, the little machine that goes "PING!" has a point, especially since the Shadows are actually Humans, if not offshoots. I'm not so sure about the "letting them die" part, but I wonder what is the true nature of the Shadows. Part of me thinks that the Shadows are, genetically, Humans that have not given up their instinctual sides.

Another part of me thinks a Dark Crystal happened in this world and the Humans divided into the Shadows and the Humans, like the Skeksis and the Mystics.

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 5:31 pm

On 2002-04-01 20:28, Elix wrote:
Um... the machines are revolting, now? That's aaaaaaaaaaall Furriston (and the rest of the world) needs. It's not enough that Mikey's plotting evilness and the shadow people are losing their protection...

Not all of them, apparently... just a very
few devices that, through some combination of
being handled a lot by living beings and some
other factor as yet unknown, take on a sort
of psychotechnological awareness of being.
And even then, they don't all revolt - just
the one device designed to help locate the
shadow people decided it had had enough. It
and others of its kind only recently have
acquired this gift of conciousness, and they
don't take it for granted as many other beings
do. So having to participate in prolonging
the existance of other beings, regardless of
what the reasoning might be for doing so, was
unbearable to it.

Gotta hand it to you, Gene...that last panel sent chills down my spine, and my eyes were open even wider than the very surprised tomcat's.

It was exactly the kind of moral dillemma that
Gene (and CW as well) have found themselves
in as regards what they are involved in. At
what point can all the intrigues and tactics
and subterfuge no longer be written off as
the lesser of two evils? No matter how good
you think your reasons are for engaging in a
deception, it doesn't stop it from being a
deception. And it does become easy to forget
that living beings are in the balance, (and
not feeling very good about it...)

Cryoblade · Post by **Cryoblade** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 5:32 pm

wait, who said there humans, i thought i saw one with a beak once, i think you may have misinterperated the comic from
one of there kind (as in one of the humans)
or mebby it was one of THERE kind (the shadows) in wich the humans know of the shadows but may not be related? o.O
im quite likely wrong, sleep deprivation.
mebby there like, genetically altered humans mutant X style and everyone hates em for that or something,,, hehe. *hasnt sleep in like a week*

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 5:35 pm

On 2002-04-02 17:58, Kaerou wrote:
sounds a bit like that old stephen spielberg movie, Maximum Overdrive =)

tell us, did you get the idea from movies like this? or was it somehting you came up with on your own? ^_^

More or less on my own, though I have to
confess a measure of cinema influence.

In
my old job I worked on all manner of computer
devices, and there were occasionally a few
that simply would not behave. They defied all
logical processes and their erratic behavior
could neither be resolved, repaired or even
explained. They really did seem to have their
own type of personality, and the manufacturer
sure wasn't responsible for it...

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 5:37 pm

On 2002-04-03 14:20, darking wrote:
Well, at least we know it's not a general revolt, and the machine won't be assmiliating anyone anytime soon.

Still, the little machine that goes "PING!" has a point, especially since the Shadows are actually Humans, if not offshoots. I'm not so sure about the "letting them die" part, but I wonder what is the true nature of the Shadows. Part of me thinks that the Shadows are, genetically, Humans that have not given up their instinctual sides.

Another part of me thinks a Dark Crystal happened in this world and the Humans divided into the Shadows and the Humans, like the Skeksis and the Mystics.

The origin and the meaning of the shadow
people is being given a basis for its coming
revelation right now in the story.

DimeSpin · Post by **DimeSpin** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 1:40 am

On 2002-04-03 17:35, genecatlow wrote:
On 2002-04-02 17:58, Kaerou wrote:
sounds a bit like that old stephen spielberg movie, Maximum Overdrive =)

tell us, did you get the idea from movies like this? or was it somehting you came up with on your own? ^_^

More or less on my own, though I have to
confess a measure of cinema influence. In
my old job I worked on all manner of computer
devices, and there were occasionally a few
that simply would not behave. They defied all
logical processes and their erratic behavior
could neither be resolved, repaired or even
explained. They really did seem to have their
own type of personality, and the manufacturer
sure wasn't responsible for it...

i know what you mean about machines with personality, Gene. i had a portable CD player that completely refused to play certain songs, it would stop running as soon as it came to that song and in shuffle mode it would completely ignore it. And it also had a tendency to play music to itself without me ever touching it, then if i went over and looked at it, it would stop dead and wait for me to go away again. It had hundreds of little personality traits like that, and then one day, it up and disapeared.

It's probably still at the farm i was living on when i lost it, playing music to itself even without batteries...

~Dime

ZOMBIE USER 7262 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 7262** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 12:35 pm

Hold on.

How did that device know that SotS by its very nature does not allow transmission of falsehood and deception? O_O

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 5:49 pm

On 2002-04-04 12:35, Elix wrote:
Hold on.

How did that device know that SotS by its very nature does not allow transmission of falsehood and deception? O_O

By the fact that SotS *is* the type of direct
communication it is. It "comes with the job"
so to speak. Being able to talk, write, etc.
are all useful means of communication, but
everyone who's ever lied has known what the
truth was in their own mind, all the while
they were speaking or writing the lie. But to
make direct contact with the mind of another
being makes it clear by the very nature of
the contact itself that one cannot "say one
thing and mean another". The device might be
able to send false information via the tests
I was running on it to determine why it wasn't
working, but in SotS it could no more lie to
me than I to it.

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 5:57 pm

On 2002-04-04 01:40, DimeSpin wrote:

i know what you mean about machines with personality, Gene. i had a portable CD player that completely refused to play certain songs, it would stop running as soon as it came to that song and in shuffle mode it would completely ignore it. And it also had a tendency to play music to itself without me ever touching it, then if i went over and looked at it, it would stop dead and wait for me to go away again. It had hundreds of little personality traits like that, and then one day, it up and disapeared.

It's probably still at the farm i was living on when i lost it, playing music to itself even without batteries...

~Dime

Oh my, yes... any device that spins a CD of
any variety is especially prone to eccentric
behaviour! I had a CD player that would only
play the first 50 tracks of a CD, no matter
how many might be actually on it. I have now
a portable CD player that will play non-
music CD's... yes, computer data CD's that
don't contain recorded music! It will find
Track 1 (that's the only track that a data
CD has) and send a cacaphony of noise into
the air, translating data into music. In fact
some data CD's are weirdly playable that way!
Science-fictiony sounds come out. <=)

Genecatlow · Post by **Genecatlow** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 5:59 pm

On 2002-04-03 17:32, cryoblade wrote:
wait, who said there humans, i thought i saw one with a beak once, i think you may have misinterperated the comic from
one of there kind (as in one of the humans)
or mebby it was one of THERE kind (the shadows) in wich the humans know of the shadows but may not be related? o.O
im quite likely wrong, sleep deprivation.
mebby there like, genetically altered humans mutant X style and everyone hates em for that or something,,, hehe. *hasnt sleep in like a week*

Sack time, cryoblade... a week without sleep
is endangering your health...