Planet of the Friggen apes ( Spoilers Edition)

Chris Copeland · Post by **Chris Copeland** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 12:06 am

Ok, I loved the movie over all. There were some very stupid parts though. Like when they where running through the monkey city and they had to go through every house in town WTF was that shit???Why did the general monkey THAD kill the two officers who found the crash site ??? He didnt know what happned...he didnt know it was a Space Ship he had no way of going in the water???? How come Thad can throw around people and kill them in one punch but Markie Mark gets his ass kicked and acts like nothing happned and all he has is a few scratches????"DAMN DIRTY HUMANS ".....no!! nuff said..

Mofo · Post by **Mofo** » Sun Aug 05, 2001 7:46 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris Copeland:
Why did the general monkey THAD kill the two officers who found the crash site ???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thade was just being cautious to a fault. He didn't know what exactly had happened there but knew it would be something worth keeping to himself until he knew more about it. Why trust mysterious knowledge to anybody at all, least of all two expendable soldiers? Then there's the fact that Thade was crazy. He was completely unstable. He was descended from the crazy ape who originally led the others to kill and enslave the humans on the ship. ------------------
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Flurb · Post by **Flurb** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 7:35 am

it was a kewl moviewhat i'm wondering is why aren't those humans like you know crazy and stuff because they would have to be inbred... i mean the fact that most of them died on the crash and some were killed by the apes the rest there couldn't have been that many humans... and since they outnumber the apes 4 to 1 they would have to be makin babies 4 times as fast with longer gestation periods than apes! ergo they are inbred!

Normalguy · Post by **Normalguy** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 9:30 am

Can anyone explain the very ending of this movie to me? It totally baffled me and pissed me off.------------------
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Mofo · Post by **Mofo** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 10:10 am

Why's an explanation needed? I think of it less as a linear sort of thing and more of a Twilight Zone sort of twist; there because it just is.I think the reason most people were disappointed by the ending was because they were trying to analyze it a bit too much. Just take it at face-value. It's supposed to be bizarre and quirky and fun. ------------------
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Nummygrrl · Post by **Nummygrrl** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 10:56 am

Haha. I gotta go with Kel on the Marky gettin' screwed in the end part. I don't like him at all. He looks like a butt-face weasel and I don't really like his acting. So, although I personally hated the ending and thought it to be a groaner, I was also delighted to see Marky get fuct over.
I thought the movie itself was excellent. I'd never seen the first one, so this one was all completely new to me. I thought the characters, makeup, fx, and everything else were top notch, although I did hate that one ape (can't recall his name) that they gave all the "witty" lines to... He paralleled JarJar Binks for me and I wanted to shoot him on screen everytime he talked. Otherwise, I really liked it! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">

Quixotic · Post by **Quixotic** » Wed Aug 08, 2001 11:22 am

I figured it was payback for fuckin' with that wormhole, electrical storm, black hole, whatever the hell it was. He didn't learn his lesson the first time, so he went to an even worse place then before. But....I was glad he did. I didn't like him at all. He's got to be the LEAST likeable main character in a movie. I don't know how much is marky's fault and how much is the script, but I just didn't give a rat's ass for him and was kinda glad to see him get screwed again in the end."style is what they call it when you don't have the skill to do it correctly."------------------
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Flurb · Post by **Flurb** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 1:27 am

why were the monkeys so god dammed strong? and why did they become humanlike in only about 300 years (check the chronometer)did they humans have monkey love and spawned humanlike monkeys? maybe that was part of the gene altering they can make monkey love!

Mofo · Post by **Mofo** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 1:35 am

It was actually a couple THOUSAND years and not three-hundred. Remember? The sacred city had been there for thousands of years... the clock in his little ship zipped past 300 pretty quickly, too. So, yeah, it was a combination of the time and their crazy-mutant genes. I mean, they were already pretty damn smart when they landed, right?Anyway, I didn't see The Negotiator... oh wait, I DID! I saw the trailer.------------------
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Normalguy · Post by **Normalguy** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 3:26 am

hmm ok... I like your explanation about the ending Usagi... here's what I thought...Ok... wormhole thing.... screwed with time....Station fell first.... Apes take over, yadda yadda.... did any of you catch though from the beginning when Marky Mark was talking to the scientist and there was a monkey in the background going NUTS? And she said something about it being an overly aggressive monkey and his name was SAMUS... guess who that was? Yeah, the ancient monkey that kicked the humies asses. And Thade was a direct descendant of Samus.... thus getting his overly aggressive qualities.ok, movie goes on, Marky Mark lands... yadda yadda.... other monkey lands.... Marky Mark decides he wants to go back to the wormhole because he didn't learn from what happened the first time....This is where I got confused... he went back forward in time, when he went through the wormhole he went back in time... it was like a 2-3 thousand year difference (I was watching the little date thingy).I just don't get how he ended up on this earth planet again with Thade in control. I like Usagi's idea... but I'm not sure if that's exactly right... either way I heard there will probably be a sequel... all the cast already said they will do one if Tim Burton decides to direct again. So we'll see then. Other than that I was very pleased with the movie. I think Marky Mark's character was played very well. I think why many of you didn't like it is just because you refuse to accept Marky Mark as an actor in a big name movie... that and the movie's extent was to show the difference between human and animals... how humans think... and what would it be like if we weren't the dominant species.... I think many of you probably had a problem with dealing with that =)------------------
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Quixotic · Post by **Quixotic** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:57 am

Well gee, y'know I realize we're all probably not as smart as you, or able to grasp the concept of a movie as well as you can, so how about you be just a LITTLE more condescending next time. If someone doesn't like a movie or an actor's performance, it's not because it's a bad movie or a bad job of acting, it's just because they're too stupid to get the point or because they just refuse to accept the actor. Our opinions couldn't POSSIBLY be vaild. Yes, tell us more, source of all wisdom and knowledge. ) Fucker. the coatyl-wight

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Mofo · Post by **Mofo** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 5:28 am

The apes were genetically altered to begin with, ElB. The space station lady (the sister from Mad About You, coincidentally) casually mentioned it in the very beginning.And, Flurb, life's gotta start somewhere. We're all inbred somewheres down the lines. Besides, that station looked pretty big. I'm sure there were a good number of folks on there.Oh, and I thought Pig Vomit was pretty funny in this. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/frown.gif">------------------
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Usagi · Post by **Usagi** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 8:20 am

See, I'm the other field of thought, here. I liked Marky Mark's character. He was real. "Screw you people, I'm goin home." He was selfish.. He only cared that he would go home. That's realistic! It's funny! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Orginally posted by Chris Copeland:
Like when they where running through the monkey city and they had to go through every house in town WTF was that shit???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They had to stay off the streets. They were more difficult to follow since they weren't out in the open. Besides, it served as a plot device to save the little girl. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Orginally posted by Chris Copeland:
How come Thad can throw around people and kill them in one punch but Markie Mark gets his ass kicked and acts like nothing happned and all he has is a few scratches????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I imagine that Marky Mark was in a LOT better shape than any of the other humans. They were all ragged and malnutritioned. Maybe that doesn't totally justify it, but it can be a contributing factor. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Orginally posted by normalguy:
Can anyone explain the very ending of this movie to me?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A Theory: Thade learns how to work the space station thing. He escapes. He recruits other apes to go after the human who's ruined their world. Don't ask me how they get fuel. Heh. Anyways, Thade goes into the wormhole and comes out a looooooong time ago. He basically takes over the world. In 2029, Thade's long been dead (as is Lincoln) but a memorial is erected in his honor. He saved the apes. It may have just been me, but Thade's memorial looked like quite the old ape. Don't think about it too much. It'll make my head hurt.The only part that really irritated me was Attar and Krull's showdown. It had been building the entire movie. They kept eyeing each other up. It was intense! So, it finally happens. And Tagawa not only gets his ass handed to him.. HE FRIGGIN' DIES. What kinda shit is that?! Where's the justice!? They went to such great lengths telling us how Krull was screwed and this and that.. BAH! Now he's dead! And what's worse, Attar has a change of heart about loyalties not FIVE MINUTES after killing Krull. I dunno.. I needed a better payoff to that subplot. Krull should have come back and given Duncan a little bit of JapJustice with a knife to the kidney. Or SOMETHING.And Pig Vomit ownz ur ass. He ruled in the Negotiator, too.------------------
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Flurb · Post by **Flurb** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 8:44 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mofo:
It was actually a couple THOUSAND years and not three-hundred. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ok fine but can they really evolve into humanoids taht quickly? it took humans millions of years to rise from apesand if they were evolving wouldn't they just become humans?

TheGreatElBobo · Post by **TheGreatElBobo** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 10:53 am

Station fell first.... Apes take over, yadda yadda.... did any of you catch though from the beginning when Marky Mark was talking to the scientist and there was a monkey in the background going NUTS? And she said something about it being an overly aggressive monkey and his name was SAMUS... guess who that was? Yeah, the ancient monkey that kicked the humies asses. And Thade was a direct descendant of Samus.... thus getting his overly aggressive qualities.-->I thought the monkey's name was Zemus. And I think EVERYBODY caught that. But they never actually mentioned it's name until near the end of the movie, not the beginning(otherwise Mark would've all ready figured things out).Other than that I was very pleased with the movie. I think Marky Mark's character was played very well. I think why many of you didn't like it is just because you refuse to accept Marky Mark as an actor in a big name movie...-->I just don't think he's a very good actor. Especially in Boogie Nights and Three Kings. that and the movie's extent was to show the difference between human and animals... how humans think... and what would it be like if we weren't the dominant species.... I think many of you probably had a problem with dealing with that =)-->I don't know of ANYONE who actually thought that. I think this movie really didn't have that social philosophy presented in the original, and Tim Burton himself said that this was more of an action movie rather than a remake of the original movie. He was only using the idea of a planet dominated by apes. While I am a big fan of Burton's films, I don't think this really was one of his best. The original movie, and the book for that matter, were more about social injustice and slavery and all that. I think any "Planet of the Apes" special will tell you that. Also, yeah, I forgot about that part in the beginning, Mofo. So, from going on with genetically altered apes, they were then altered even more by going through that storm thus being able to evolve rapidly and overwhelm the Earth and all that. That's what I can only infer from. Also, I think maybe an easier explanation of the end, aside from the Eskimos, would be that maybe Mark went through the portal but came out in some alternate universe perhaps? One where instead of time travel and all that, maybe the apes had just taken the place of humans(thus Thade being Abe Lincoln). Perhaps to them, and if there is a sequel, Mark will be some sort of alien. If we're lucky, we can get a "My Favorite Marky" spinoff show. But who would play Mr. Brennan!?

TheGreatElBobo · Post by **TheGreatElBobo** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 11:22 am

I know
Things will get better
For Chicoooo and the maaaaaaaaaaaaaan!TVLand really IS all that's on at 3 in the morning. I'm just waiting for Freakazoid. Anyway.
I thought the makeup in the movie was a little too fake. Like how since the apes had fake teeth they all sort of had that lisp thing. And did they really need to put Lisa Marie in the movie? I hate her on Exposure, and I hated her in this. Also, the orangutan guy had a nutsac for a face. That was comical. Other than that, it was an okay movie. The fake jumping of the apes was TOO lame though. It was like they had guys with stumps for arms pulling up the ropes that were attached to the jumping Thade and the two who were about to have monkey sex that jumped on the chandelier. It was just REALLY slow and cheesy jumping.
Also, they had to run through almost every house because they were all sort of connected in some way. They started off in the senator's house, which was probably a mansion. And the orangutan and Marie were the guests so they were there. Then they ran to free the girl's dad in another tree place, which had Limbo in it(the guy nummy hates, who played Pig Vomit in "Private Parts" and, that guy who played Dilbert, Civil War ancestor in a Disney movie.). Since they were trying to get to that secret exit, but they were being chased, they probably wound up in the chimp girl's room, and THEN they finally got out.
I'll agree with whoever said it. This movie is not a thinking man's movie. If you don't think about what's going on, it's a really good movie. I thought it was pretty good. Didn't really deserve my money at the theater(probably better off renting it), but I did think it was good. And I shall agree with all of you. Wahlberg is a retard. He leaves to go back to Earth, even though he just saved the planet and that really hot girl wanted him to stay and he probably could've become like, a really high ruler guy because he's a supergenius compared to the rest of them.
In conclusion: Marky Mark is a flaming idiot.Also, to those who were confused by the ending, maybe I can help clear a few things up. First off, the monkey and Marky and the lab all went into the storm thing. Now since that thing is cuh-razy, it obviously warped them to the planet at different times. From what I can tell, the lab was last and went back farther in time. That's when it crashed. Now, going by what the lady says in the computer recording, the monkeys were irradiated by those crazy time travellin' magic beams, and became superstrong and a lot more advanced(which is why they probably went crazy and were able to use guns and all that). Now if the monkeys started developing at a high rate, then it WOULD be possible for them to evolve at an even faster rate in only a few generations, to become the talking apes in the movie. This of course, only happened after thousands of years. In the ending, however, things are REALLY screwed up, as it's only about 100 years after Marky's original present time. Yet the apes and even a statue of General Thade are there.
Therefore, to clear this all up, and to give you less of a headache, we can infer that the Eskimos did it.
Because, honestly, you probably won't get any kind of real answer from the movie. And yes, this post was filled with the worst sentence structure imaginable. And yes, nobody cares. I feel so at home here.[This message has been edited by TheGreatElBobo (edited 08-09-2001).][This message has been edited by TheGreatElBobo (edited 08-09-2001).]

The Mexican Wifebeater · Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:39 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mofo:
Actually, the ape was Seamus. And they pronounced it Zemus.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I worked with a guy named seamon once. It was pronounced see-mun. hahaha. how unfortunate. he smelled like apple juice.

The Mexican Wifebeater · Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:41 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by normalguy:
oh, go fucking whine elsewhere. I already apologized so quit yer damn bitchin'<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>wah wah wah. don't you have your own forum to make enemies in?

Mofo · Post by **Mofo** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:42 am

Oh yeah, is it just me, or does he really hate his wife? I mean, he made her a grotesque alien, an ugly zombie lady, a condemned witch, and a dancing ape. There's got to be some kind of passive-aggressive behavior going on here.------------------
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Normalguy · Post by **Normalguy** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 3:40 am

Guess I'll have to do that. At least I know I won't run into any assholes there.------------------
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