Are You Expecting Someone?

Wish · Post by **Wish** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 3:03 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bevan:
I think Fans lacks a hard-core rpger. I know that they all play rpgs and Will and Kath are big on acting, but there isn't a club member who has table-top rpgs as his big obsession.And someone obsessed with webcomics! Rumy loves comic-books and Tim and Guth love computers, but we have yet to see someone obsessing over the synthesis of the two (a large percentage of webcomics have a person like this, and Fans seems kinda empty without it). I want ALL the facets of my geekdom to be properly represented.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Interesting how even those on the inside define fans in terms of their obsessions. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">How about someone who isn't yet obsessed with anything? Someone who's just gotten their first taste of online MMRPGs and hear some of their friends talking about 'Dragonball Z' and comes to the meeting to find out more.I too think that we might see a gamer... not an RPGer, but a video gamer. The kind of person who can still owns a Commodore 64 and all the original cartriages. And remembers all the cheat codes without an FAQ. -Wish
Every time I play it, I end up hallucinating and building a hat out of tin cans. Then I attack people with a paper towel roll screaming, "I'm a chaotic evil half elf dwarf fighter! Rahhrrr!"

Doublespeak III · Post by **Doublespeak III** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 3:50 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by wish:
I too think that we might see a gamer... not an RPGer, but a video gamer. The kind of person who can still owns a Commodore 64 and all the original cartriages. And remembers all the cheat codes without an FAQ.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I second this, but maybe make him a video gamer/computer gamer. While Gunth and Tim love computers, they don't seem like the type who uses it for games enough to count. But just a video gamer would work for me.Also, do we have a true writer in Fans!? I suppose Shanna could fit the bill, but only if she evolves from just pure journalism (she wouldn't be the first writer.) If not, then a pure fantasy, sci-fi, and/or comic writer would be good. Maybe a "collaborator" for Rumy, forgetting that she probably wants to be a writer/artist like most (all?) manga storytellers.No personality suggestions, except: No jerks with hearts of gold, because they are boring to me."Wakka Wakka." (Pac-man or Fozzy? "The world may never know.")

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 5:41 am

I like the ideas of a table top gamer or a video gamer but how about a specialist?It seems that most of the Fans are into several things at once but a lot of Fans out there focus on one thing, like Star Trek or Dr. Who.Actually this isn't one of my obsessions because I can never focus all of my fanboyness into one thing for too long before I get interested in something new.Another thing I think wouldd be interesting is a veteran. For instance, a guy or gal who's married and has some kids but is going back to Billburg U. to finnish up some degree. I've seen plenty of these kind of guys around. These are the ones who didn't end up being "Comic Guys" or booth collectors. They had a balanced life outside of fandom and now want to give a little back to the new generation.------------------
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FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 7:40 am

"Veterans" make good "every so often" characters, but the stories suffer if you overuse them. (Yea, Maccabee, join the Know-It-All club...our President is the garbage man in Dilbert.)"Lone Wolves" generally don't join clubs. Kinda tough to motivate one to break the necessary social wall down, so to speak."Rivals" would belong to other campus clubs: the Mystery/Horror club; the Historical Reenactor club; the Wargames club; the Anarchy club; etc.As for S-O's...we have never known who the father of Kath's children was. Think about it.The best video gamer I ever knew now has a company of his own after being an MSBorg for some years. The problem with a character like this is his/her lack of usefulness in "ops"--what do you do?...make him/her like Theora in Max Headroom and have him/her boss the action from a computer on campus? That'll get old fast. The best ensemble casts don't specialize so much in roles but in emotions. Best example I can think of (because it was pointed out in a program about it) is Murphy Brown: Murphy's anger, Corki's cheerfulness, Jim's quietude, Miles' manicness, etc. Fans! actually does this job pretty well.

T Campbell · Post by **T Campbell** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 8:17 am

With our usual infuriating vagueness, we've hinted and hinted and hinted at a major cast expansion coming sometime this month. So why stop being vague now?Sweeping generalization #1: Some of the new faces won't be entirely "new," but a few will never have been seen before, anywhere in FANS... but regardless, they may seem a bit familiar.Is there a particular "type" that you're expecting to see, someone who might fill a GAP within the Club's "power seven?" (Comments won't influence this membership drive much, but they may influence the years to come...)

GarrisonBeckett · Post by **GarrisonBeckett** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 8:25 am

If you look at FANS! in terms of D&D style alignments, you have this:Rikk - lawful good, probably paladin. Alisin - chaotic good, formerly neutral, rogue. Katherine - true neutral, trying to be good, multiclass fighter/cleric. Tim - chaotic good (low charisma), barbarian. Will - neutral good, ranger. Shanna - tries to be lawful neutral (good), wizard (of words). Rumy - lawful good (unless drunk), multiclass monk/bard.Notice something FANS! lacks that Mike provides for CRFH ... the evil character. Someone who gets the job done by any means necessary, even if Rikk disagreed with it. Someone who cheats, someone who lies without being caught or even remotely penitent, someone who would happily sell the wheelchair out from under Rikk's mom to raise a little cash. ^_^ The "Incorrigible bastard," that's what we'd liek to see!--GBAt a showing of RHPS: T (as Criminologist): "What other indignities will they suffer?" Maccabee: "SEX WITH T!" Friend of mine: "He'd be lucky to get Brad!"

Maccabee · Post by **Maccabee** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 9:23 am

*jumps up and down excitedly*Ooh, ooh, I have an idea! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/tongue.gif">Maccabee, gloating insider------------------
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Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 9:49 am

I think Fans lacks a hard-core rpger. I know that they all play rpgs and Will and Kath are big on acting, but there isn't a club member who has table-top rpgs as his big obsession.And someone obsessed with webcomics! Rumy loves comic-books and Tim and Guth love computers, but we have yet to see someone obsessing over the synthesis of the two (a large percentage of webcomics have a person like this, and Fans seems kinda empty without it). I want ALL the facets of my geekdom to be properly represented.

Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 9:53 am

Actually, do to her love of control and running everything, I'd place Kath as Lawful Neutral.

Nullset · Post by **Nullset** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 10:12 am

Current archetypes that are missing from Faans!:Anginue (sp?)The Kid - newbie, lacking self confidence, typically screws upTotal Outsider/LonerTemptress - Alisin doesn't count as she's "settled down". Now if there were someone to give _her_ competition...The RivalThe Non-Involved Significant Other - the only "people who have people" are Rikk and Alisin. The others may have SOs outside of the group. The problem, T, is that the Faans! characters are so well rounded, that they've played various parts at various times. Saying who would round out the group is difficult because of this. I would also suggest that the tensions that have been set up recently are just that, set up. Manufactured. There is really no in-group tension as there was in the early issues of Faans! Even then, the action you tried to convey headed off many of the tiffs and power plays. Of late it's been much more StarTec than XYZ Files, in terms of charcter relations.That's not bad, though, because you've built the charcters to feel "real". We care about them. So we don't need a thorn-in-the-side to make us root for the Faans! (Achillies in Ender's Shadow).I'm concerned with the "new blood", though. There are seven main charcters now, and it seems that most people feel they don't really get equal time, or even close. How will new members be handled? *laughs* Makes me think of the "new" X-Men team that premiered in that (Uncanny?) X-Men giant issue ages ago. That they were needed to save the previous team, but then go underfoot once the originals were safe.Nullset out.[This message has been edited by Nullset (edited 11-01-2001).]

Stig Hemmer · Post by **Stig Hemmer** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 1:36 am

The Bradbury girl. (for Tim <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> )Movie nut. Not a fan of any one particular series, s/he just loves them all! Knows all the trivia. Moderate computer skills. Supernatural animation skills.The grey man. Never says anything, never does anything. He is just there. (OK, so it is a bad idea.)------------------
Stig Hemmer, at your disservice.

Bo Lindbergh · Post by **Bo Lindbergh** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 1:59 am

Maybe some of the aliens who are the cause of the current story will want to join after things have calmed down a bit. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">

Strangeone · Post by **Strangeone** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 2:35 am

The annoying newbie. You know, like an anime fan who claims to know everything there is to know about Japanese animation, even though the only things he's seen are Akira and some Dragon Ball Z, while steadfastly viewing all other anime as garbage. This person would also claim that Goku could destroy anyone from any other fictional universe with simplistic, ignorant explanations.A good person to pair up with this guy would be someone who actually does know a good deal about anime and has to put up with his blatent idiocy. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">I also favor the idea of the hardcore video gamer. Someone who might be crazy enough that, in order to repair his old NES, would seriously build it a new casing and turn it into a top-loading system. This would go along with gaming knowledge stretching back to the earliest days of video gaming. However, make him/her receptive to all the newer games as well. I hate the old fogey/closed minded characters that can't stand things different from "the good old days."As for fans of specific series, how about a small group that worships the Fans universe's equivalent of Frank Herbert and Dune? There could be a woman practicing to become a Bene Gesserit along with characters such as a guy everyone would swear was a true Mentat.[This message has been edited by Strangeone (edited 11-02-2001).]

FlyingFish · Post by **FlyingFish** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 3:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Strangeone:
The annoying newbie. You know, like an anime fan who claims to know everything there is to know about Japanese animation, even though the only things he's seen are Akira and some Dragon Ball Z, while steadfastly viewing all other anime as garbage. This person would also claim that Goku could destroy anyone from any other fictional universe with simplistic, ignorant explanations.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hmmm... you wouldn't happen to have recently viewed a certain Doki Doki AMV, would you? (If you don't know what I'm talking about, forget it.)Speaking of which (and working off Stig's idea a bit): a video nut. Film major, obsessive about camera angles, lighting, special effects, etc. Makes his own amateur work all the time. Constantly asking Will to act in his films, but is too much of a control-freak director to put up with.A couple other potential areas that haven't been covered at all are sports and literature. Although the former is a legitimate fandom area, it'll be tough to fit such a person into the club. However, the current storyline suggests that a fantasy/SF reader (quiet, shy, always with his/her nose buried in "Inder's Game" or "Me, Robot") has definite potential.

Muttley · Post by **Muttley** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 3:35 am

FrustratedPilot said:
 Have you forgotten Guth? Shame on you!
---No, but I see Guth more as a mathematician: slightly detatched from reality, not an engineer, not a hard-science type at all. The "engineer" archetype I have in mind is the jeans-and-hiking-boots, soldering iron in one hand hardware hacker sort.And:
And where you have a hypercollector, you also have speculator/exploiters. There are sleezes that only see fandom as a market for junk and as methods for money-making schemes.
---I don't really see the huckster as a fan type at all, although many of them are fans. They represent the "other side of the fence", so to speak.MuttleyBarr's Law of Recursive Futility [BLORF]: If you are smart enough to use one of these... you can probably manage without one.

Maritza_Campos · Post by **Maritza_Campos** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 5:03 am

I'd like to see someone related to movies. It could be a B-movie fan, or cheesy 50's movie fan. Someone who loves to see heads roll <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> and who is thrilled to kill giant bugs with an oversized axe and can quote all the lines from Plan 9 to Manos to Toxic Avenger.Maritza
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FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 9:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Maritza_Campos:
I'd like to see someone related to movies. It could be a B-movie fan, or cheesy 50's movie fan. Someone who loves to see heads roll <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> and who is thrilled to kill giant bugs with an oversized axe and can quote all the lines from Plan 9 to Manos to Toxic Avenger.Maritza
CRFH.net<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now I'm thinking of John Goodman's character in Matinee. What would that character have been like as a college frosh?

Muttley · Post by **Muttley** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 10:12 am

As Doublespeak has already mentioned, there isn't a writer-type. The fannish organiser - a concom type, or a zine editor - is also missing. They could be one driven by passionate interest, or a political manipulator, an eminence grise (and such types are not always very likable). Could introduce some more colour into the somewhat black-and-white, us-and-them situation we seem to have now?None of the obsessive types are represented (letterhacks, trekkies etc) but then they aren't very interesting to start with so this is probably intentional.There's no engineer, no "Dilbert"-type. SF clubs of my era were overstocked with them - has this changed?MuttleySend lawyers, guns, and money,
The shit has hit the fan.
-- Warren Zevon

Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 11:52 am

Well, Guth is kinda the Dilbert-type. Weird techno-geek with glasses.

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Fri Nov 02, 2001 11:59 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Muttley:
As Doublespeak has already mentioned, there isn't a writer-type. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Unless you count Rumy, who writes, just not necessarily in words. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The fannish organiser - a concom type, or a zine editor - is also missing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This was Kath in her days as Pres...and it's Will's job now as Morale Officer. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>None of the obsessive types are represented (letterhacks, trekkies etc) but then they aren't very interesting to start with so this is probably intentional.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Tim gets pretty obsessive at times, but I get what you mean. There needs to be either a get-a-lifer or a hypercollector in the midst. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>There's no engineer, no "Dilbert"-type. SF clubs of my era were overstocked with them - has this changed?Muttley<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Have you forgotten Guth? Shame on you!And where you have a hypercollector, you also have speculator/exploiters. There are sleezes that only see fandom as a market for junk and as methods for money-making schemes."Hello. I belong to Extensive Enterprises, and today is the first day of the rest of your life."