Heroes Season 2 (Possible Spoilers)

[Rickford]

I think the line is drawn between having the brain pierced/stabbed, and having bits of the brain blown out altogether.

Once the foreign object is removed, the body/brain can heal itself. This is established. The brain is still roughly intact though, and contained within the skull.

I imagine it'd be a much harder trick however, if half of the brain is splattered on a nearby wall. According to 'heroes science', a part of the brain is what activates the healing ability, and I'm guessing that if it's not in the vicinity of the body, in it's entirety, then repairs are not forthcoming.

If someone were to scoop the brain-bits up though, and put them together like a jigsaw, perhaps the regenerative process could do the rest.

Either way, it's silly.

[MixedMyth]

Yes. I think Clair might be screwed if she fell into a meat grinder. 'Fraid it's chunky salsa time, then. But they do keep saying 'aim for the head' so maybe they're just trying to temporarily kill Adam so they can have an easier time of disposing of him properly?

[Grabmygoblin]

I think even chunky meat sauce Claire would regenerate, given time and opportunity. if she were chunkified then burned to dust then spread to the wind, ok, she's dead.

the first season I pardoned Peter's dumbassness because of his inexperience.

but now he's just an unbelievable dumbass. if he doesn't bring back Nathan I'm gonna have to write this show off completely.

[Dr Legostar]

From a "how much does the body have to decay" point of view, I imagine the regenerative power is controlled by the brain, but if it's unable to regenerate it will eventually decay past the point of "knowing how to regenerate"

Then again the entire super-blood fountain of youth thing here kinda runs in the opposite direction and says it's the blood, not the brain. Damnit.

Maybe the brain only controls the creation/generation of the blood, and therefor being roasted, grinded, or torn to pieces wouldn't bring you back, but if the brain and... some bone barrow are still intact it could completely regenerate... I don't know how it solves the conservation of mass problem though.

here's the thing, and this of course gets into the irrelevancy of biology, there is NO WAY a healing power is controled by the brain, it's silly, cause healing is an automatic process, when you get a cut the only message that goes to your brain is pain, the wound healing process is all local.

[Kisai]

here's the thing, and this of course gets into the irrelevancy of biology, there is NO WAY a healing power is controled by the brain, it's silly, cause healing is an automatic process, when you get a cut the only message that goes to your brain is pain, the wound healing process is all local.

Yes, but how does the body know to regrow a certain limb?

It would be more sensical if they at least said it was some super platelet thing, but that wouldn't account for healing disease, if it was super white cells, then it wouldn't account for healing tissue, and if it was super red cells ... then uh... don't they only carry oxygen? Sorry that's all I remember between grade 10 science and an animated show from the 80's

The mohinder blood sounds like superwhite blood cells, where as claires sounds like super more like just regeneration according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regeneration_%28biology%29
Which from the description is 'not' blood doing it.

and in fact the entire use of claires blood is illogical on a number of levels, since claires blood would have claires dna, it should have turned whowever got the blood infusion into another claire. Plus we have the entire blood compatibility issue overlooked.

Maybe there is a more reasonable explanation:
Brain: activates the regeneration by triggering nearby tissue "omg injury!"
Blood: activates regeneration of cells using existing dna from those cells being regenerated. Does not de-age people. Since taking blood requires injuring the body, any blood taken would already be in "fix! fix!" mode. In fact how was it even possible to take blood when the body would have just pushed out the needle?

So I don't think pouring claires blood on a pile of ashes is going to bring a person back. Though clearly it can bring people back from the dead, which I think is going a little too far

[Rkolter]

The needle was HELD in her arm.

I would assume if Claire fell in a meat grinder, she'd heal. but if she fell into a meat grinder and then the bits were regularly churned, she would not heal.

I still do not get the bullet to the head theory, and am simply assuming that people have decided this must be the truth, but it isn't.

[IVstudios]

It would be more sensical if they at least said it was some super platelet thing, but that wouldn't account for healing disease, if it was super white cells, then it wouldn't account for healing tissue, and if it was super red cells ... then uh... don't they only carry oxygen? Sorry that's all I remember between grade 10 science and an animated show from the 80's

The mohinder blood sounds like superwhite blood cells, where as claires sounds like super more like just regeneration according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regeneration_%28biology%29
Which from the description is 'not' blood doing it.

and in fact the entire use of claires blood is illogical on a number of levels, since claires blood would have claires dna, it should have turned whowever got the blood infusion into another claire. Plus we have the entire blood compatibility issue overlooked.

It's probably not the blood itself, but a chemical in the blood that stimulates cell regeneration. The production of this chemical would be controlled by the brain, so if the brain is destroyed the body can't make any more of the chemical. (Depending on how it works, there might already be enough of the chemical present in the body to re-grow parts of the brain, but if you blow off their head repeatedly, eventually the chemical will run out)

It's possible that it doesn't even have to be blood you give to someone to make them regenerate. The chemical may be present in all their bodies fluids/tissues.
*Gets image of Adam peeing on Nathan to heal him stuck in his head*

[Dr Legostar]

It would be more sensical if they at least said it was some super platelet thing, but that wouldn't account for healing disease, if it was super white cells, then it wouldn't account for healing tissue, and if it was super red cells ... then uh... don't they only carry oxygen? Sorry that's all I remember between grade 10 science and an animated show from the 80's

The mohinder blood sounds like superwhite blood cells, where as claires sounds like super more like just regeneration according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regeneration_%28biology%29
Which from the description is 'not' blood doing it.

and in fact the entire use of claires blood is illogical on a number of levels, since claires blood would have claires dna, it should have turned whowever got the blood infusion into another claire. Plus we have the entire blood compatibility issue overlooked.

It's probably not the blood itself, but a chemical in the blood that stimulates cell regeneration. The production of this chemical would be controlled by the brain, so if the brain is destroyed the body can't make any more of the chemical. (Depending on how it works, there might already be enough of the chemical present in the body to re-grow parts of the brain, but if you blow off their head repeatedly, eventually the chemical will run out)

It's possible that it doesn't even have to be blood you give to someone to make them regenerate. The chemical may be present in all their bodies fluids/tissues.
*Gets image of Adam peeing on Nathan to heal him stuck in his head*

there are a variety of actual healing factors in our systems, not as snazy as claire's mind you, but still, these are not directly controled by the brain, i imagine their healing power is just like a normal persons, only more so.

[Dr Legostar]

oh, and for those of you who care, my comic today featured "killing off 'East'" since it was basically the wish of everyone on this forum that West die. and also delving into a bit of the homosexual tension between Hiro and Ando that my fiancé so loves to make fun of.

[Rkolter]

"That's badass! Make love to me!"

[MixedMyth]

The needle was HELD in her arm.

I would assume if Claire fell in a meat grinder, she'd heal. but if she fell into a meat grinder and then the bits were regularly churned, she would not heal.

So we need a perpetual Claire blender? This is eerily similar to my ideas for getting rid of vampires from Vampire the Masquerade...despite (or because of) my hadred for the game. It'd be like diablery in a can! Although I suppose you could also freeze it aftwerwards and have Claircicles.

[Dr Legostar]

The needle was HELD in her arm.

I would assume if Claire fell in a meat grinder, she'd heal. but if she fell into a meat grinder and then the bits were regularly churned, she would not heal.

So we need a perpetual Claire blender? This is eerily similar to my ideas for getting rid of vampires from Vampire the Masquerade...despite (or because of) my hadred for the game. It'd be like diablery in a can! Although I suppose you could also freeze it aftwerwards and have Claircicles.

i'm sure West would like a lick or two.

[Rkolter]

The needle was HELD in her arm.

I would assume if Claire fell in a meat grinder, she'd heal. but if she fell into a meat grinder and then the bits were regularly churned, she would not heal.

So we need a perpetual Claire blender? This is eerily similar to my ideas for getting rid of vampires from Vampire the Masquerade...despite (or because of) my hadred for the game. It'd be like diablery in a can! Although I suppose you could also freeze it aftwerwards and have Claircicles.

i'm sure West would like a lick or two.

No he'd probably scream and call her an alien than take off for the sky in some appropriately emo fashion. He wouldn't have the balls to lick Claire's intestines.

[RemusShepherd]

There's a column on the net by someone who interviewed one of the Heroes writers. Here's the link.

In summary:

o- The writers may be bringing back one or all of the heroes who fell.
o- They know that Nathan can be brought back with Peter or Claire's blood, they're just not sure he *should be*.
o- They might bring back Nikki, but only as her alter ego Jessica.
o- Put money down on Adam coming back.

[Noise Monkey]

Jessica isn't even that interesting. They need to change that old saying related to comics to something like "They're only dead if you see the corpse, then see the corpse creamated, and the ashes scattered through space and time so that they can never be brought back together again and then all DNA samples are similarly destroyed so that they can't be cloned."


Of course, that would be a really stupid saying.

[Swimmingtrunks]

Uhg, are you kidding me. Jessica Sexy-Mc-Evil is so one-dimensional and so... done. The writers seem to not getting the right angle on the stuff they're doing wrong. I liked Nikki. It was the multiple personalities that were hella annoying, and should've come to resolution by now. This just makes that whole other personality that came out seem really freaking random. Bring back Nathan instead plz.

[Dr Legostar]

Jessica isn't even that interesting. They need to change that old saying related to comics to something like "They're only dead if you see the corpse, then see the corpse creamated, and the ashes scattered through space and time so that they can never be brought back together again and then all DNA samples are similarly destroyed so that they can't be cloned."


Of course, that would be a really stupid saying.

i have on word for you on that. well two words. Alternate Dimension.

[Rkolter]

I PREDICT:

Jessica will somehow become the only personality in Nikki, and that she will team up with Sylar, and that she will be killed off. But not by Sylar, who wouldn't want multiple personalities, or some other personality taking him over.

Alternatively - Jessica will be sucked into Peter, and since Sylar is trying to kill Peter, will work with Peter to kill Sylar. And in the epic end, Peter (as Jessica) and Sylar will battle, Sylar will kill Peter, Peter will Kill Sylar, then Peter comes back (thanks to having met Claire) and is himself again because Sylar just killed Jessica.

Blah.

Stupid Jessica. Just be rid of the character - she did a good deed, and died tragically and as a hero. Can't the writers let just ONE death of a main character last?

[Dr Legostar]

the whole jessica/niki thing isn't a power though, it's just a multiple personality, niki proved that she has the same strength that jessica does, sylar or peter or anyone wouldn't take on the second personality just because they have the power, it's not a package deal, it's just some people can't handle things well so they get a bit of psychosis, note sylar, while not having a multiple personality, is just a psycho. Nathan was getting a bit of what Niki had, but not because of Niki, cause cause he had trouble dealing with his state and crispy situation. you don't have to be a hero to be crazy, but apparently it helps.

[Noise Monkey]

Yeah, Bob explained in 4 months ago that sometimes personalities fracture because of the stress of gaining a new power. Of course, super strength is a stupid power to make you all Sybil.