What wouldn't you shy away from?

For discussions, announcements, non-technical questions and anything else comics-related or otherwise that doesn't fit in any of the other categories.
User avatar
Geekblather
Regular Poster
Posts: 335
Joined: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:44 pm
Location: Oregon
Contact:

Post by Geekblather »

Nanda wrote:
mcDuffies wrote:It's funny how little people care to admit that they do have boundaries. I mean, most of folks said "I'll do it if the story requires", but aren't you the one that chooses what the story requires?
No... My characters decide what's going to happen. I'm just along for the ride.
I feel much the same way.
This is also why I'm stuck learning how to draw cityscapes, when I don't particularly care for urban settings, because my characters aren't willing to live "in the boonies."
:roll:
Image

It's about fluff, angst, drama, comedy, gaming. Come play in our world.

User avatar
Killbert-Robby
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 6876
Joined: Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:28 am
Location: in the butt

Post by Killbert-Robby »

I stray away from political correctness. The whole PC movement just pisses me off really.
Image

User avatar
Yeahduff
Resident Stoic (Moderator)
Posts: 9158
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:16 pm
Location: I jumped into your grave and died.
Contact:

Post by Yeahduff »

PC doesn't mean anything.
Image
I won't be the stars in your dark night.

User avatar
Pattyannboyd
Regular Poster
Posts: 84
Joined: Sun May 29, 2005 2:40 am

Post by Pattyannboyd »

hmm... I already have full frontal nudity, moderate gore, cursing, and a moderately blasphemous title. Soon to come, full sex scenes, masturbation, more gore, and lots of crying.

Personally, I'm gonna try to stay away from ultra gore (such as in battle royale) And I have no love for unexplained sex, there has to be some reason and emotion behind those folks in the sack! Really, I think it's silly to have violence for violence's sake, or sex for sex's sake. It has to be a part of the story, to express plot or character.

User avatar
Mandaliet
Regular Poster
Posts: 48
Joined: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:33 am
Location: Portland, OR
Contact:

Post by Mandaliet »

None of my characters wear clothes.
Image

User avatar
Jekkal
Regular Poster
Posts: 184
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:18 am
Contact:

Post by Jekkal »

mandaliet wrote:None of my characters wear clothes.
. . . None of your characters have bodies to wear clothes on.
Image

User avatar
McDuffies
Bob was here (Moderator)
Bob was here (Moderator)
Posts: 29957
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 1999 4:00 pm
Location: Serbia
Contact:

Post by McDuffies »

Joel Fagin wrote:
mcDuffies wrote:I believe that inspiration is a dice...
Die, McDuffies. Die!

Image
C'mon Joel, no need to get THAT upset over this little discussion. :P

CSchaefer
Regular Poster
Posts: 188
Joined: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:01 pm
Location: Joliet, IL
Contact:

Post by CSchaefer »

yeahduff wrote:PC doesn't mean anything.
Sure it does -- whenever anyone prefaces a statement with, "Hey, man, I'm not gonna be politically correct!" then you know they're about to bust out with something truly obnoxious and/or stupid. :)

But seriously, I've never seen anyone -defend- PC as a concept, but people still use it as an imaginary pro-censorship strawman. Like there are legions of Politically Correct monitors who are going to jump in and click their tongues disapprovingly AT ANY MOMENT.
Image

User avatar
CaptainClaude
Witty British President
Posts: 5647
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:50 am
Location: SITTING ON A BOMB IN A GREENHOUSE.
Contact:

Post by CaptainClaude »

yeahduff wrote:PC doesn't mean anything.
Mac says PC means you can't make photo albums.
Image

so stop it.

User avatar
Rickford
Irreverent
Posts: 1065
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:52 am
Location: London
Contact:

Post by Rickford »

*Head explodes with rage*

User avatar
VinnieD
Regular Poster
Posts: 795
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:01 am
Contact:

Post by VinnieD »

pattyannboyd wrote:hmm... I already have full frontal nudity, moderate gore, cursing, and a moderately blasphemous title. Soon to come, full sex scenes, masturbation, more gore, and lots of crying.

Personally, I'm gonna try to stay away from ultra gore (such as in battle royale) And I have no love for unexplained sex, there has to be some reason and emotion behind those folks in the sack! Really, I think it's silly to have violence for violence's sake, or sex for sex's sake. It has to be a part of the story, to express plot or character.
See this is what I was trying to get at. To say that you won't do something because it is against the spirit of the comic, is not to say that those are your personal limits. You give a fine example of not having limits but your comic having a story which that is appropriate for.

User avatar
Yeahduff
Resident Stoic (Moderator)
Posts: 9158
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:16 pm
Location: I jumped into your grave and died.
Contact:

Post by Yeahduff »

Sounds like she has restrictions to me.

Boundaries don't need to be things we don't have the balls to do. They can be as simple as our unconscious tendencies that can potentially make our comic stagnant.
Image
I won't be the stars in your dark night.

User avatar
Killbert-Robby
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 6876
Joined: Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:28 am
Location: in the butt

Post by Killbert-Robby »

CSchaefer wrote:
yeahduff wrote:PC doesn't mean anything.
Sure it does -- whenever anyone prefaces a statement with, "Hey, man, I'm not gonna be politically correct!" then you know they're about to bust out with something truly obnoxious and/or stupid. :)
No it means that if I want a handicapped nazi, I'm going to have a handicapped nazi.

WITHOUT calling him a differently-abled national socialist.
Image

User avatar
McDuffies
Bob was here (Moderator)
Bob was here (Moderator)
Posts: 29957
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 1999 4:00 pm
Location: Serbia
Contact:

Post by McDuffies »

CSchaefer wrote:But seriously, I've never seen anyone -defend- PC as a concept, but people still use it as an imaginary pro-censorship strawman. Like there are legions of Politically Correct monitors who are going to jump in and click their tongues disapprovingly AT ANY MOMENT.
Huh? That's not true. The world is full of organizations that overdo the concept of political correctness and use it to just plain harras others. You can see it at work just by noticing how cast of every tv show made nowadays has to be racially and sexually diverse, or by how old Disney comics and Bugs Bunny cartoons are being labeled as promoting racist stereotypes, or what number of celebrities have been prosecuted just for popping a word that may be considered racially/religiously/culturally intolerant in public.
Or you can find a guy who claimed that Dutch's comic is racist just the other day and ask him what he thinks about it.

User avatar
Fabio Ciccone
Regular Poster
Posts: 327
Joined: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:42 am
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
Contact:

Post by Fabio Ciccone »

mcDuffies wrote:Huh? That's not true. The world is full of organizations that overdo the concept of political correctness and use it to just plain harras others.
Specially in US. Or at least that's what it seems from the news down here. But we all know how the news can be...

User avatar
Killbert-Robby
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 6876
Joined: Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:28 am
Location: in the butt

Post by Killbert-Robby »

Oh no definetely. Anyone who says that there aren't people who bitch about PC either doesn't get out much, or is painfully naive.
Image

User avatar
Americangothic
Regular Poster
Posts: 658
Joined: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:31 pm
Location: Nashvegas
Contact:

Post by Americangothic »

My comic is pretty much a slice of life in so called "Alternative lifestyle communities"- so what ever you would see in a Wiccan coven, a nudist colony, a hippy commune or with folks that are in-the-closest... it's probably in AGD or going to be.

I also try to portray these people as average and normal.. so even though Millia is a Wiccan, she's not running around wearing Pentacles the size of coffee cup saucers to work and screaming discrimination at ever turn. She's not wearing all black and having an emo princess fit. Brigit is a lesbian, but she's not wearing a giant rainbow flag and dressing like a diesel dyke. Anna is an herbalist, but I dont show her offering peyote buttons from her purse at every opportunity.

I do show a lot of nudity, a more casual view on sex and a small amount of violence. Let's face it.. in the real world... sex happens way more than violence. When I did have my two pages of violence, it was gory.. but that was because it was a head shot and I wanted it to shock. They had no idea it was coming, just like the victim. It will probably be another 150 pages before the next violent act... but I can pretty much garantee boobage by the next 20. XD
Image

User avatar
Yeahduff
Resident Stoic (Moderator)
Posts: 9158
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:16 pm
Location: I jumped into your grave and died.
Contact:

Post by Yeahduff »

Killbert-Robby wrote:Oh no definetely. Anyone who says that there aren't people who bitch about PC either doesn't get out much, or is painfully naive.
Here's the thing. The concept behind political correctness is good. Great even. Hey, let's stop belittling the less powerful in our society! Like anything else, it suffers from overapplication, but I'm personally glad it's unfashionable to call people fags, and I'm not gonna blame a dwarf if she wants to be more than a cheap site gag. If we keep our heads and don't expect everything to go under the same blanket, we'll do fine.

As for people who cry political correctness, those are the mother fuckers you should watch. They do exactly what they accuse the so-called "PC Police" of doing: Label everything they disagree with, closing off certain words and ideas as off-limits. Don't like what this kid's saying? Just call him PC and everything he says can be castoff as silly and Orwellian. It happens so often, people just throw it out there on reflex when the conversation has nothing to do with political correctness. The word doesn't mean anything anymore, and political incorrectness is the new political correctness.
Image
I won't be the stars in your dark night.

User avatar
Rcmonroe
Regular Poster
Posts: 323
Joined: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:34 pm
Location: Southwest USA
Contact:

Post by Rcmonroe »

yeahduff wrote:Here's the thing. The concept behind political correctness is good. Great even. Hey, let's stop belittling the less powerful in our society! Like anything else, it suffers from overapplication, but I'm personally glad it's unfashionable to call people fags, and I'm not gonna blame a dwarf if she wants to be more than a cheap site gag. If we keep our heads and don't expect everything to go under the same blanket, we'll do fine.

As for people who cry political correctness, those are the mother fuckers you should watch. They do exactly what they accuse the so-called "PC Police" of doing: Label everything they disagree with, closing off certain words and ideas as off-limits. Don't like what this kid's saying? Just call him PC and everything he says can be castoff as silly and Orwellian. It happens so often, people just throw it out there on reflex when the conversation has nothing to do with political correctness. The word doesn't mean anything anymore, and political incorrectness is the new political correctness.
Very well put, yeahduff. I could have said the same thing, only less articulately and convincingly.

As for the OT, there are three things I won't do in my strip; violence, profanity, nudity. I only avoid these things because I'm interested in syndication; otherwise I'd probably not shy away from the latter two. At the same time there are a lot of aspects of my strip that probably make it unsuitable for syndication anyway, but I'm predicting, probably overoptimistically, that the syndicates are going to have to eventually relax their restrictions a bit in order to survive.

Basically I use network TV as my guide; if it's not censored on network TV, I don't censor it in my strip.

(Post edited for literacy's sake)
Image

User avatar
Moonshadow
Regular Poster
Posts: 158
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2003 9:38 pm
Location: Somewhere north

Post by Moonshadow »

I'd like to say that I won't shy away from showing anything... but sometimes I do get some conflicts of what I both want and don't want to draw, and I also have the conflict of what won't "damage" my writer. It's nothing that's come up yet, but my writer and I had a very long discussion about a month ago about what limits will be put on things. He's a HS teacher, so the likelihood that I'll ever be drawing a sex scene is less than 1%, because he doesn't want something with his name on it to be taken as pornographic. (Because we all know that schools never overreact to a teacher's outside work...) However, the chances of female frontal nudity are over 100% since it already happened.

The meat of the discussion was male frontal nudity, though. For whatever reason, while in entertainment it's completely okay for a woman to walk around with everything in full view, somehow the rules change for a man, and I personally don't WANT to change the rules there. There will be a part of the story coming where it'll be necessary for a male character to be nude for a length of time, and part of me just wants to take the easy way out and always have a conveniently positioned table, leg or camera angle, but it's such a double-standard to me that the other part says, "No, if she has to bare it all, so does he."

Post Reply