The Heroes Wild Theories Thread [potential spoilers]

MixedMyth · Post by **MixedMyth** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:16 pm

Mr.Bob wrote:
Komiyan wrote: Wonder where Dr Invisible went to, I liked him due to him throwing Peter off high buildings. Hope he makes another appearence.
He left the show because he was afraid of being typecast.

I really, really want the Tardis to appear out of no where and abduct Mr invisible man.

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:32 pm

Noise Monkey wrote:When he was with Matt, Matt was using his power. Claire was also using hers to heal, since Sylar had already pounded her. Claude was using his when Petey went invisible. Signs point to him using them unintentionally as he picks them up only when they're in use already.

This doesn't explain why he didn't use Sylar's TK when he got that, except that he didn't have anything in mind to throw...

Peter used flying powers before Nathan ever did in front of him and when Nathan wasn't even around him. He tells Nathan at one point that his foot hovered above the floor as he got out of bed.

And remember, he has all of Sylar's powers, not just the ones he was exposed to in use. The writers have said this more than once, pointing out that he has the 'goo' power.

Sylar's power count is up to 14? Let's see, for sure he has...
-Base power
-Cryokinesis
-TK
-Hearing
-Future visions
-Memory
-Goo powers

His wikipedia article mentions 3 unknowns from previous victims. One of these has to be the cryokinesis and it's the victim in between the TK user and Molly Walker's father. I really do think that he has some form of invulnerability which he got either from Molly's father or the third unknown victim. He's fallen off a building and been shot, he got up right away from the bullets and managed to limp away from the fall. There is one power unaccounted for.

Someone's suggested elsewhere that Sylar has an "adaptability" power, which is why he was able to overcome heavy drugging. It's a neat little theory, at least.

Dr Legostar · Post by **Dr Legostar** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:49 pm

Mercury Hat wrote:Someone's suggested elsewhere that Sylar has an "adaptability" power, which is why he was able to overcome heavy drugging. It's a neat little theory, at least.

okay, here comes the scientific nitpicking. Mohinder stated that he drugged Sylar with Curare, which cuts of signals at the brain, so he couldn't use his powers. This is incorrect, Curare acts at the junction between motor neurons and muscle, it is very effective in blocking movement, it would have NO effect on any telekinetic ability. Yes, i know Sylar motions with his hand when he does his TK thing but that's all just for show, if it weren't it wouldn't exactly be telekinesis. I would suggest that Sylar was faking being unable to do anything the ENTIRE time and just letting Mohinder compile his list a little better.

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:20 pm

But he overcame the drugs at the Company, didn't he?

Dr Legostar · Post by **Dr Legostar** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:34 am

Mercury Hat wrote:But he overcame the drugs at the Company, didn't he?

true, but then at the very end he went back on them.

Dr Legostar · Post by **Dr Legostar** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:15 am

legostargalactica wrote:
Mercury Hat wrote:But he overcame the drugs at the Company, didn't he?
true, but then at the very end he went back on them.

wow, okay somehow i mixed up talking about sylar and talking about issac. seeing as i have no idea what they gave him at the company, it's hard to suggest whether he adapted to them or just got around them.

CaptainClaude · Post by **CaptainClaude** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:22 am

Right, I watched it all, and I read the comics now my head hurts a bit.

Started reading through the fan wiki, and this is definitely my favourite theory:

Noise Monkey · Post by **Noise Monkey** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:46 am

rkolter wrote:
Noise Monkey wrote:This doesn't explain why he didn't use Sylar's TK when he got that, except that he didn't have anything in mind to throw...
How about the glass fragments that Syler was convienently levitating at chest level in front of him?

Actually, I meant at the high school, when he picked up the power. And since he didn't know how his power worked at the time, I guess that might have something to do with it...

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:59 am

Noise Monkey wrote:
rkolter wrote:
Noise Monkey wrote:This doesn't explain why he didn't use Sylar's TK when he got that, except that he didn't have anything in mind to throw...
How about the glass fragments that Syler was convienently levitating at chest level in front of him?
Actually, I meant at the high school, when he picked up the power. And since he didn't know how his power worked at the time, I guess that might have something to do with it...

You have to admit, if ever he should have used Telekenesis, it would have been right then. Hey, while you're concentrating to hover these things in the air, I'm gonna just give them a nudge at you...

Noise Monkey · Post by **Noise Monkey** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:26 am

I think the more glaring error Peter made was standing in front of Sylar with his back turned instead of getting behind him and crushing his throat Vader-style.

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:13 am

He was probably trying to escape, but Sylar found him first. Nothing Peter's really done has pointed to "fighter", it's mostly "tactical retreat", even when he was helping Claire.

RemusShepherd · Post by **RemusShepherd** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:13 am

Noise Monkey wrote:I think the more glaring error Peter made was standing in front of Sylar with his back turned instead of getting behind him and crushing his throat Vader-style.

There were lots of logic holes in that fight scene, and I'm not surprised to hear that it was changed at the last minute before filming.

I think Peter couldn't have used TK on the glass because he can only use one power at a time. But from a writing perspective, if Peter was that tricky the fight would have taken a long time -- longer than could fit in that episode.

As for why invisible Peter had his back turned, I just don't see an in-story explanation. The writing necessity explanation is simple; he needed a brain injury to be dead but resurrectable by Claire's power, and they didn't want to drive the glass through his eye because it would require more expensive special effects and might be too grotesque for broadcast TV.

I love this show, but I do worry that too many of the plot advancements are being shaped by the limitations of their medium.

Dr Legostar · Post by **Dr Legostar** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:15 am

RemusShepherd wrote:
Noise Monkey wrote:I think the more glaring error Peter made was standing in front of Sylar with his back turned instead of getting behind him and crushing his throat Vader-style.
There were lots of logic holes in that fight scene, and I'm not surprised to hear that it was changed at the last minute before filming.

I think Peter couldn't have used TK on the glass because he can only use one power at a time. But from a writing perspective, if Peter was that tricky the fight would have taken a long time -- longer than could fit in that episode.

As for why invisible Peter had his back turned, I just don't see an in-story explanation. The writing necessity explanation is simple; he needed a brain injury to be dead but resurrectable by Claire's power, and they didn't want to drive the glass through his eye because it would require more expensive special effects and might be too grotesque for broadcast TV.

I love this show, but I do worry that too many of the plot advancements are being shaped by the limitations of their medium.

nope, peter and claude were both invisible when peter used the TK to stop the stick from hitting him in the head, i think he can use more than one at a time.

MixedMyth · Post by **MixedMyth** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:25 am

Yup! Hmm...didn't he also use multiple powers when the company came after and he used his telekinesis to stop a bullet (and didn't kill a yak)?

CaptainClaude · Post by **CaptainClaude** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:53 am

maybe its as simple as it just didnt come to mind.

MixedMyth · Post by **MixedMyth** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:54 am

That's sort of what I assumed. He just wasn't keeping up and reacting as quickly.

Noise Monkey · Post by **Noise Monkey** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:26 am

ryclaude wrote:maybe its as simple as it just didnt come to mind.

Know what did come to mind, though?

The glass shard.

CaptainClaude · Post by **CaptainClaude** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:41 am

>Go to: brain

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:57 am

What it looked like was that Peter went invisible, Syler raised the glass, and Peter was perfectly willing to sneak off and leave the other guy there with Syler.

It may not have intended to be that way - from what Merc's posted they had other plans but had to cut a lot of them. It came off as "Peter's a damn coward." I really didn't like the fight scene.

I mean, you DO something, not turn your back on this guy and... what? stand there? Peter could have run around, or levitated and gone somewhere else. Or... well, anything.

TRI · Post by **TRI** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:19 am

I didn't think it came off so much as "Peter's a coward" as "Peter's an idiot."

Although I admit, it made for a surprise ending to the scene: when Sylar levitated the glass my first thought was "oh there is no way that's going to work--all he has to do is duck!" and then....