CBS has lost its mind!

JTorch · Post by **JTorch** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:01 am

Tellurider wrote:Basically a survivor show where, literally, everyone but the winner dies. Now that would be a cool show.

Kinda like the novel (and manga/movie) Battle Royale?

Jackhass · Post by **Jackhass** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:15 am

I want a Survivor like the grand-daddy of all "lost of a desert island" stories, Lord of the Flies.

Kids killing each other and worshipping decomposing pig heads = ratings.

Dburkhead · Post by **Dburkhead** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:55 am

rkolter wrote:
Tellurider wrote:Whatever, I'm still waiting for a real survivor show, like SURVIVOR: ARCTIC BLIZZARD! or SURVIVOR: VOLCANO STRONGHOLD! or SURVIVOR: THE MARIANA TRENCH!

Basically a survivor show where, literally, everyone but the winner dies. Now that would be a cool show.
Yup. That's what I'm waiting for too. A show called Survivor should be about surviving.

Survivor: The Donner Adventure

Czar · Post by **Czar** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:09 am

It's just a matter of time before someone makes a reality show out of war.

I'd watch Survivor: Special Forces.
Take SF teams from around the world, get a camera team with each of them to follow them through a few months of training, and then let them at each other in a tournament of various missions.
Delta Force versus SAS, SEALs versus Green Berets, Spetznas versus everybody...
Hell, they wouldn't even have to do actual battle, laser rigs and blanks would be sufficient.

[AOD] · Post by **[AOD]** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:54 am

War already IS a reality show, what with 'embedded' reporters and such.

@~AOD

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:55 am

Jackhass wrote:I want a Survivor like the grand-daddy of all "lost of a desert island" stories, Lord of the Flies.

Kids killing each other and worshipping decomposing pig heads = ratings.

Yeah. And they shouldn't even beat around the bush. Just call it, "Lord of the Flies."

blackaby wrote:We were discussing on chat how fucking awesome it would be if all the racial teams fell into their stereotypes. Like the black guys shacked up with all the white women and the asians were like good at maths and shit. And the 'food rewards' were racial too, like the black people got fried chicken if they won an award and the white people got white bread and mayo and so on and so forth... GODDAMN I wish I still had that log of that convo, it was hysterical.

Anyway, I think THAT would be a fucking awesome motherfucking show.

OH LIKE YOU WOULDN'T WATCH IT.

I bet this will be a parody on a sketch comedy show after the actual show runs.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:26 am

PeppermintAfterlife wrote:
blackaby wrote:We were discussing on chat how fucking awesome it would be if all the racial teams fell into their stereotypes. Like the black guys shacked up with all the white women and the asians were like good at maths and shit. And the 'food rewards' were racial too, like the black people got fried chicken if they won an award and the white people got white bread and mayo and so on and so forth... GODDAMN I wish I still had that log of that convo, it was hysterical.

Anyway, I think THAT would be a fucking awesome motherfucking show.

OH LIKE YOU WOULDN'T WATCH IT.
I bet this will be a parody on a sketch comedy show after the actual show runs.

Well, Carlos Mencia already had the "Stereotype Olympics". Effectively the same thing.

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:36 am

If they're doing Racial Survivor, why even bother with islands or jungles or whatever? Just drop a well-to-do white kid off in some back-ally ghetto in the shady part of town, or a black guy in some backwoods hick town where everyone has a confederate flag in their window. THAT would be Survivor, let me tell you.

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:40 am

Interestingly, there wasn't this much furor when they did Men vs. Women. Both teams fell into stereotypes there, and each gender overwhelmingly rooted for their own team. But, nobody cared.

Next, they need to do Jews vs. Christians vs. Islamics vs. Athiests.

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:48 am

While men vs women is dumb too, dividing by race is a different matter.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:49 am

rkolter wrote:Next, they need to do Jews vs. Christians vs. Islamics vs. Athiests.

And then, Pirates vs. Ninjas vs. Robots vs. Zombies!

CJBurgandy · Post by **CJBurgandy** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:51 am

rkolter wrote:
Next, they need to do Jews vs. Christians vs. Islamics vs. Athiests.

If the Athiests won, I could only imagin the Southern Baptists suddenly boycotting CBS over it. (Kind of like how they boycotted ABC when Ellen came out of the closet. And it made such a big difference, as well all know, ABC went down in flames and no longer exists.

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Tellurider · Post by **Tellurider** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:52 am

rkolter wrote:Interestingly, there wasn't this much furor when they did Men vs. Women. Both teams fell into stereotypes there, and each gender overwhelmingly rooted for their own team. But, nobody cared.

Next, they need to do Jews vs. Christians vs. Islamics vs. Athiests.

Well, the difference with all of those things is that first, genders are actually different. That's really just an age-old battle of the sexes that generally takes place every day everywhere.

Second, division by religion is really a division of choice, since you can actually choose your religion, whereas you're stuck with your race or gender based on your genes. So while that would be incredibly amusing, it's not as bad as race.

Dividing up by race would be like righties vs. lefties. And the lefties are in trouble if they don't have any left-handed scissors!!!

Wait, wait, how about this: Hell's Angels vs. Lance Armstrong. No team, just Lance by himself. He survived testicular cancer and won 7 Tour de France races in a row, but they have sweet leather jackets and, possibly, crowbars. WHO WILL WIN?!?!!?

Col · Post by **Col** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:00 am

They'll be in four tribes for about two episodes, and then mix them up into two tribes. They did the exact same thing with the last season when it was old men vs. young men vs. old women vs. young women. It was all crazy and different at first, and then they threw the whole concept out once the four tribes combined into two, with different people from each group in both tribes. It was an after-thought at the end of the season that the last four people were an older woman, an older man, a younger woman and a younger man. Same thing will happen here. It'll end up being not that big a deal. In the end, Survivor gets ratings. CHA-CHING!

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:10 am

[quote="Tellurider]
Well, the difference with all of those things is that first, genders are actually different. That's really just an age-old battle of the sexes that generally takes place every day everywhere.

Second, division by religion is really a division of choice, since you can actually choose your religion, whereas you're stuck with your race or gender based on your genes. So while that would be incredibly amusing, it's not as bad as race.
quote]

Races aren't different? Race is like sex (which is different than gender). A lot of important things are the same. But a lot of important things are different. And religion isn't completely a choice. What the controversy is about here has more to do with the history of segregation in America.

Anyway, I've not ever watched Survivor, and I certainly have no plans to change that.

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:13 am

I saw it once at a friend's house.

Nyke · Post by **Nyke** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:17 am

Network Executives vs. Smart People.

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:30 am

The FIRST Survivor series was very cool. No, really. Give it credit. It was an interesting idea, well done.

This is the... 12th? 16th? Something like that. It's really pretty much played out.

Like one blogger said - Can a show really jump the shark, when shark jumping might actually be one of the events?

Col · Post by **Col** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:36 am

rkolter wrote:Like one blogger said - Can a show really jump the shark, when shark jumping might actually be one of the events?

That would be awesome.

Tellurider · Post by **Tellurider** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:41 am

yeahduff wrote:
Races aren't different? Race is like sex (which is different than gender). A lot of important things are the same. But a lot of important things are different. And religion isn't completely a choice. What the controversy is about here has more to do with the history of segregation in America.

Anyway, I've not ever watched Survivor, and I certainly have no plans to change that.

Race is only superficially different. It's like saying people with blond hair and people with brown hair have some big special difference. Culture can be different, but, for example, I know a guy who was born in South Korea, 100% Korean, who was adopted by a family in texas when he was very young, and is now basically 100% honky.

There have been some archaeological experiments: can you tell someone's race based solely on their skeleton? No. But you can tell their gender.

Also, religion is completely a choice. Unless you've been brainwashed, you're free to choose any religion you want, for the most part. Your parents might disown you and you may get scorned by everyone, but the great thing about both christianity and islam is that if you want to be a christian or a muslim, nobody's gonna tell you "no."

I just personally get really sick of people making a big deal about race because from my personal experience, people are people everywhere, and the way they look really doesn't make that much of a difference. Whereas boys and girls are fundamentally different, in a few very important ways.

Blind people know no races, but they sure as hell know the difference between male and female.