how long will he remain dead?

Dracomax · Post by **Dracomax** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:30 pm

okay, so apperently, captain america died in the latest issue of the comic by the same title. so I was wondering how long people here think he'll remain dead.

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:32 pm

I hope he stays dead because that's more interesting that having him return like many other heros. But he'll be back in a few years I bet.

Black Sparrow · Post by **Black Sparrow** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:33 pm

I don't expect a comic called "Captain America" to stay afloat long without Captain America. He'll be back eventually, if only in cyborg alien clone form.

Rock_dash · Post by **Rock_dash** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:36 pm

I keep telling you guys. The only killed STEVE ROGERS. They'll just stick some other guy in the Captain America costume and people will hate him, and after a little while, they'll bring STEVE ROGERS back from meditating on an extradimensional space mountain or something. Then the guy that they had substituting will go insane and STEVE ROGERS will have to fight and possibly kill him.

TRI · Post by **TRI** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:44 pm

What he said.

Grabmygoblin · Post by **Grabmygoblin** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:45 pm

I haven't read it or the conclusion to civil war yet, but from what I heard Steve Rogers was shot by a sniper.

the man is way too badass to be killed by just a sniper bullet to the head, especially not with Ed Brubaker writing his title.

I think he'll be back by the next issue, and take advantage of a publicitized death to go underground.

edit: ok, here's the wiki summary... spoilers obviously

In the 2006 Civil War crossover, Captain America defies the government and the law by leading the Anti-Registration faction and resistance movement against the government, becoming a fugitive in the process and pitting himself against the heroes of the Pro-Registration movement, including his former friend Iron Man. He adopts the alias "Brett Hendrick", a mall security guard, to avoid government detection. As the War continues, Rogers becomes more and more extreme in his desire to win, including allowing the Punisher to join his "Secret Avengers," (though he does not condone the man's willingness to kill) and working (albeit reluctantly) with the Kingpin. In the last issue of the core Civil War series, realizing that his fight against the Registration Act is endangering civilians, he removes and drops his mask to surrender as Steve Rogers. He gives the anti-Registration side the order to stand down. As Captain America is led away, the Punisher picks up the discarded mask.

While entering a Federal Courthouse, Steve Rogers is shot in the shoulder by a sniper. In the ensuing crowd chaos, he is shot three times in the stomach and chest with a handgun, and later appears to die of his injuries. It is later revealed that the plan was orchestrated by the Red Skull; the sniper was Crossbones, and Sharon Carter, under a hypnotic suggestion by Dr. Faustus, was the person who had shot Rogers in the stomach.

In Civil War: The Initiative, Ms. Marvel tells Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) that Captain America is not dead but "...tucked away safe on the Raft..." with doctors working to save him.

Prettysenshi · Post by **Prettysenshi** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:17 pm

I think he should stay dead. His death would inspire tons of superheroes, new and veteran, and would be kinda like the new Uncle Ben for some people. Uncle Ben is one of the most popular Marvel Characters, and he never lived past issue 1.

Jackhass · Post by **Jackhass** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:20 pm

He's the Superman of the Marvel universe...he ain't staying dead.

It will follow the usual pattern of Superheroes dying. He dies, is replaced by some "new" version of the character who everyone hates, he returns 6 months to a year later and the year where fans had to put up with that shitty fake Spiderman/Batman/Superman/whoever is never spoken of again.

Laemkral · Post by **Laemkral** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:36 pm

I have the comic in my hands. I've read it personally. I don't think he's dead. What was described to have happened did indeed happen, but it hit the public (in the MU) that he was pronounced dead upon arrival. The last image has him hooked up to tubes and stuff on a gurney in the hospital. He wouldn't be hooked up to anything if he was pronounced dead on arrival. People are waiting in the emergency room for him. They wouldn't be there if he was DOA. I also believe Sharon didn't shoot Cap, she's been brainwashed to BELIEVE she did so. Rogers talks to her in the ambulance, yet says nothing about her shooting him. Even with a shoulder wound he'd notice her pulling a gun and shooting him, and its not brought up.

If I'm reading it all wrong, this is the ideal time indeed to kill Steve Rogers because just about everything that ties him into the MU is wrapped up. Civil War is over, he's a total loner without the Avengers or Nick Fury, everyone else is more or less self sustaining, and he's been established to be out of touch with the modern world. Maybe someone new will step into the costume but I doubt that'll happen. The one and only loose thread is the Red Skull, and that's why I suspect that either they aren't killing him (and making people think they are) or Red Skull will be dealt with very soon.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:40 pm

Pff. OBVIOUSLY a bullet to the head will only make him TRAVEL THROUGH TIME.

Maybe they are really are putting him to rest? Maybe the irony of wrapping all the writers' fantasy politics into a human flag finally caught up to them, or the constant tug of war between conservative and liberal readers who think Captain America should be their kind of patriot is too much for them to handle right now.

I'm sure the character will be back later, just like they're eventually going to stop making a straw man out of Iron Man, but I can't say I'll be there to see it.

Turnsky · Post by **Turnsky** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:49 pm

look at how many times superman's killed lois lane, or anybody else for that matter, and they're still kicking!.

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:57 pm

Jackhass wrote:He's the Superman of the Marvel universe...he ain't staying dead.

It will follow the usual pattern of Superheroes dying. He dies, is replaced by some "new" version of the character who everyone hates, he returns 6 months to a year later and the year where fans had to put up with that shitty fake Spiderman/Batman/Superman/whoever is never spoken of again.

Sounds like "The New Coke" plan, complete with all the debate as to whether it was done on purpose or not.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:58 pm

Hey, they already went there with Civil War, why not?

Dracomax · Post by **Dracomax** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:13 pm

because fairly soon, they'll be in world war hulk, and have to reset the entire universe anyway?

Robbie · Post by **Robbie** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:15 pm

He's going to be replaced by Captain Canada.

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:14 am

I don't care. I have no patience for this sort of daft comic-book brute force unimaginative "drama" and the pathetic lack of consequences it always has.

He'll be back. They always are, eventually. Even if they change management teams first, some twit will resurrect him.

- Joel Fagin

Rock_dash · Post by **Rock_dash** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:39 am

Joel Fagin wrote:I don't care. I have no patience for this sort of daft comic-book brute force unimaginative "drama" and the pathetic lack of consequences it always has.

He'll be back. They always are, eventually. Even if they change management teams first, some twit will resurrect him.

- Joel Fagin

ESPECIALLY if they change management teams. New management is always quick to take what the old management did and piss all over it. Sort of a way of marking thier territory.

Maybe they'll replace Steve with UNCLE BENZOMFGLOFLAFFLEOL

god I'm funny

Laemkral · Post by **Laemkral** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:51 am

Robbie wrote:He's going to be replaced by Captain Canada.

No, Captain Canada is the new nickname reserved for US Agent, working with Canada's new Omega Flight.

Yes, in the MU Canada truly has become America's attic.

"Hey, since Captain America just surrendered to the authorities and is no longer a symbol of our pride, you can have this guy who we created to replace him the last time he got all 1940s ethics on us."

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:55 am

Black Sparrow wrote:I don't expect a comic called "Captain America" to stay afloat long without Captain America. He'll be back eventually, if only in cyborg alien clone form.

This was my thought.

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:55 am

I thought this thread was about Andy Caufman.

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