Saddam Hussein is dead.

Killbert-Robby · Post by **Killbert-Robby** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:39 am

I actually wish he wasn't killed. I mean I know he was an evil man and so on, but Saddam... well I mean this sounds nuts, but its hard to imagine the world without him. Names like the Pope, Steve Irwin, Saddam, these are all names I've known all my life who are dying left right and center. Its just wierd that someone you're so used to seeing is dead.

For the record, I'm for the death penalty, but in extreme instances. A 40 year old touching a toddler, for instance, needs an axe to the neck.

Mr.Bob · Post by **Mr.Bob** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:51 am

That point of view is just insane.

Killbert-Robby · Post by **Killbert-Robby** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:03 am

Mr.Bob wrote:That point of view is just insane.

I know it is. I'm not saying the right one, just mine.

Turnsky · Post by **Turnsky** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:16 am

the world wouldn't have let saddam live, whilst it may have been morally disdainful to us, he was tried under local laws, and thus put to death, i'm saying it was the right thing to do, i'm saying that it's what eventually came to pass, the harsh reality of it all, really..

however, this will have repecussions much later on. Mind you, if an american so much as FARTS in the general direction of the middle east, arab extremists get all up in arms about it.. they're like pissy soccor moms with beards & kalashnikovs, to be honest.

They'll use this as an excuse, they always find some excuse..

the fact is, people, we might find the whole "eye for an eye" execution thing bad, but they don't.. blood for blood isn't gonna bring anybody back..

I'm a fan of "poetic justice" so much as the person lives, sure it might be on borderline torture, but, if they die, they don't learn nothing.

Dracomax · Post by **Dracomax** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:35 am

okay, first, as far as I know, eye for an eye is the standard there, and executions are done for much less. my father had to sign a paper allowing them to behead him if he violated certain laws when entering saudi arabia. You can't apply the standards of respect for life you may have to another culture.

second, i am against the death penalty for a couple of reasons. first, too many innocents are executed.(even 1 is too many) second, I don't think the government should ever decide that a man should die. that's too much power for one man, or a commitee. However, I do beleive that certain people should be killed. I consider these people to be little more than rabid dogs who will continue to harm others as long as they live. it's not vengeance, it's not jpunishment. it's prevention. it may not stop others, but the key is--it will stop the dead man.

and prison is a terrible place. crime is something like 400 times worse in prison than out, with more rapes murders and thefts. not everybody who is put in prison deserves to be in an environment like that. however, I do think in general, it is a better punishment than the death penalty.

Tellurider · Post by **Tellurider** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:26 pm

I agree with a lot of what you said, dracomax.

But I think that a lot of this comes down to people not getting their asses kicked when they should. And I mean we need to bring back corporeal punishment.

Think about it, instead of cluttering up our prisons, if you violate some law that would normally give you, say, five months in the pen, you get 10 lashes with a whip and you're done. Or something to that effect. I think people are more likely to obey the law to avoid direct physical pain to their precious bodies than some nebulous idea of "prison" (because let's face it, most people have absolutely no idea what it's like to be in prison).

Although actually I think that our whole society is slowly falling to pieces, especially in America where people have given up personal responsibility for the Right To Sue. There's too many people in America that think they can just vote for something and have it fall into their laps, that they don't need to take any personal responsibility for anything because that's the government's job. Hell, that's part of the reason this whole Iraq thing is going on, really. Discontent runs rampant through the streets but only the liberal hippie pinko commies actually protest or write in to congress about how they feel, because people are too stupid to realize that there's a lot of stuff that Bush CAN'T do without the support of congress and WE get to elect the congressmen and tell their dumb asses what to do.

Whoa, rant. Sorry. Got on a roll there.

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:45 pm

Tellurider wrote:I...bring back corporeal punishment.

Heh.

- Joel Fagin

Killbert-Robby · Post by **Killbert-Robby** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:47 pm

Tell, most people don't know what its like to be lashed either.

Crazy Chris · Post by **Crazy Chris** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:53 pm

No, but imagining what it's like to be repeatedly hit with a huge stick is easier then imagining what it's like to be locked up in a small space for a few months. It sounds more fear inducing as well.

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:29 pm

Lashing is worse than most people think. Twenty lashes can often kill, particularly the weak and the malnourished.

You know, like us.

And if it doesn't kill, you generally wish it would after about two to five of the things. You'll also have scars covering your back forever and because your back is thick with the things, they can restrict movement - although possibly not with modern medical attention to hand.

Ironically, though, such forms of punishment are considered worse in our strangely PC world. I mean, at least the death penalty doesn't hurt much.

- Joel Fagin

TRI · Post by **TRI** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:48 pm

Joel Fagin wrote:I mean, at least the death penalty doesn't hurt much.

Lots of people disagree. But to be fair no one who's been put to death has said anything about it.

Dracomax · Post by **Dracomax** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:43 am

I've never heard any complaints from anyobne who went through the procedure.

Dotty · Post by **Dotty** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:03 am

The last one who got lethal injected was said to have suffered, and the execution was labelled botched. This is another reason I dislike the death penalty.

Post by **Kisai** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:14 am

Joel Fagin wrote:Lashing is worse than most people think. Twenty lashes can often kill, particularly the weak and the malnourished.

You know, like us.

And if it doesn't kill, you generally wish it would after about two to five of the things. You'll also have scars covering your back forever and because your back is thick with the things, they can restrict movement - although possibly not with modern medical attention to hand.

Ironically, though, such forms of punishment are considered worse in our strangely PC world. I mean, at least the death penalty doesn't hurt much.

- Joel Fagin

I'm sure kolters would love tasering being a form of punishment... XD

"You killed 180 people, for this, we give you 180 tazerings, ..." with the exception of it can kill some people and wouldn't be the same accross the board, the only thing I can agree with on corpral punishment is that it should be used once, and only once on children in order to teach them that there are consequences to their actions and not everyone is willing to forgive and forget.

Quick, how many people were "punished" with spankings or something worse when they were small, and always associate that with doing things wrong?

Mr.Bob · Post by **Mr.Bob** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:41 am

Oh yes, I had the crap smacked out of me if I even thought about trying to pull anything disrespectful as a kid. Now I don't do bad things because, not because I'm afraid of being punished but because I know it's bad. But children aren't experts in ethics and need the points elaborated for them with basic incentives.

In that regard, I will shock and offend by saying I'm pro-bringing back corporal punishment to schools because I really dislike this whole touchy-feelly attitude people have towards children nowadays. It's with shocked disbelief whenever I watch what amazingly outrageous antics some brats get away with on those Super Nanny shows. 'Naughty Stool' be damned, they need six swift ones with a switch that's what!

Col · Post by **Col** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:55 pm

Darn tootin'!

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:15 pm

It sickens me to hear what little fuckers get away in schools now. Sometimes a smack is the only thing a kid will understand.

Rock_dash · Post by **Rock_dash** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:13 pm

It's true. Now that the last generation has been screwed up by the touchy feely crap, our generation will probably do it like our granpappies did.

*feels phantom pains as he remembers the flyswatter spankings*

Nanda · Post by **Nanda** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:04 pm

I don't know, the only thing being hit ever taught me was to distrust my parents; it never altered my behavior any.

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:13 pm

I dunno. I'm not a big fan of hitting, but that is seriously the only way some people will listen unfortunately. It's not something that should be used often.