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legostargalactica wrote:further thought. If nathan really is dead, everyone is screwed. First season, the only reason peter didn't blow up new york, was nathan. second season the only reason peter came to his senses, was nathan, without nathan around to kick him in the proverbial nads once in a while, peter's gonna kill us all.
Sylar wrote:Turns out you're the villain, Peter. I'm the hero.
Foreshadowing!
As for the episode, I was pleased when it looked like it was Maya and Monica that bit it. I could live without them. I was even ok when they traded Niki for Monica. That means we'll be stuck with more Micah & His Amazing Cousins. I'm pretty mad about Nathan dying. He was underused, but his character had the potential to be really useful. I think killing him was short-sighted. I mean, what can we get out of more Monica and Maya? Headaches?
EDIT: And how bad were the flying shots? Feet dangling from out of frame? Really???
legostargalactica wrote:further thought. If nathan really is dead, everyone is screwed. First season, the only reason peter didn't blow up new york, was nathan. second season the only reason peter came to his senses, was nathan, without nathan around to kick him in the proverbial nads once in a while, peter's gonna kill us all.
Sylar wrote:Turns out you're the villain, Peter. I'm the hero.
Foreshadowing!
As for the episode, I was pleased when it looked like it was Maya and Monica that bit it. I could live without them. I was even ok when they traded Niki for Monica. That means we'll be stuck with more Micah & His Amazing Cousins. I'm pretty mad about Nathan dying. He was underused, but his character had the potential to be really useful. I think killing him was short-sighted. I mean, what can we get out of more Monica and Maya? Headaches?
EDIT: And how bad were the flying shots? Feet dangling from out of frame? Really???
really if think about it there's really no guarantee either niki or nathan died. nathan was shot, but he could have survived, they might get him to a hospital, peter might wise up, we didn't see him actually die. and niki could have made it to somewhere safe in there before it all went kaboom, with this kind of show you can never be sure, all kinds of people survive weird shit they shouldn't and some come back from the dead.
-D. M. Jeftinija Pharm.D., Ph.D. -- Yes, I've got two doctorates and I'm arrogant about it, what have *you* done with *your* life?
"People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do." "yeah.. but we won't care."
"Legostar's on the first page of the guide. His opinion is worth more than both of yours."--Yeahduff
Well, if you take a to the letter interpretation of the teaser, both Maya and Nathan "fell" even if he isn't dead. I mean, they did stop standing, involuntarily, and let gravity take over...
Noise Monkey wrote:Well, if you take a to the letter interpretation of the teaser, both Maya and Nathan "fell" even if he isn't dead. I mean, they did stop standing, involuntarily, and let gravity take over...
well technically maya died, she just came back from it, so it's possibly only one of the others actually died.
-D. M. Jeftinija Pharm.D., Ph.D. -- Yes, I've got two doctorates and I'm arrogant about it, what have *you* done with *your* life?
"People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do." "yeah.. but we won't care."
"Legostar's on the first page of the guide. His opinion is worth more than both of yours."--Yeahduff
Noise Monkey wrote:Maybe one of the security guards Adam hacked had powers.
maybe the people who write the teasers are a. full of shit or b. screwing with us to "keep us in suspense"
-D. M. Jeftinija Pharm.D., Ph.D. -- Yes, I've got two doctorates and I'm arrogant about it, what have *you* done with *your* life?
"People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do." "yeah.. but we won't care."
"Legostar's on the first page of the guide. His opinion is worth more than both of yours."--Yeahduff
legostargalactica wrote:really if think about it there's really no guarantee either niki or nathan died. nathan was shot, but he could have survived, they might get him to a hospital, peter might wise up, we didn't see him actually die. and niki could have made it to somewhere safe in there before it all went kaboom, with this kind of show you can never be sure, all kinds of people survive weird shit they shouldn't and some come back from the dead.
Yeah, they need the loopholes for when they get their writers back. So the writers don't have to smack 'em upside the head for killing off characters they were going to use.
Noise Monkey wrote:I'm pretty mad about Nathan dying. He was underused, but his character had the potential to be really useful. I think killing him was short-sighted.
Definitely. Though his potential may just be a result of the writers hardly giving him anything to do, so he just hasn't gotten the chance to become really annoying yet.
I was starting to get tired of him not just not going with it. If he were to just accept his powers and start using them he could become a really cool character. And it was looking like he was finally getting ready to do just that… before they shot him.
And now that I think about it… what was the point of shooting him? What dose that do, protect the company? Maybe if he was the only one who could out them. Maybe if there weren't TWO OTHER PEOPLE WITH THE SAME INFO STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO HIM!! ONE OF WHICH WON'T DIE IF SHOT.
And how did the assassin get away? Either Peter or Parkman could have easily stopped him/her. No. don't bother using your telekinesis or mind control abilities to stop the guy who just shot your brother/friend from escaping.
1) Nathan, of all the heroes considering outing themselves, is the only one with a power people won't get deeply disturbed about. (Claire can live forever, Parker can read minds and force people to do things. Peter is the living incarnation of God at this point, effectively).
2) Thanks to the incredibly dumb write in, you -can- kill Peter with a shot to the head. Ditto Claire. It sends a message to them.
Crossfire: "Thank you! That explains it very nicely, and in a language that someone other than a physicist can understand..."
Denial is not falsification. You can't avoid a fact just because you don't like it.
"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote"
But still, if someone is about to reveal a huge secret that you want to keep quiet, it might not be the best idea to shoot them in front of a bunch of reporters. It tends to have the opposite affect of keeping something quite. If Nathan had just outed them, they could deny everything and keep it tied up in red tape and litigation. Now they have crated a Martyr.
"Hey everyone! I am here to tell you about a secret organization that is oppressing people and pulling the wool over your ey—" *Shot to death*
That sort of thing is going to draw much more attention than Nathan ever could have by himself.
As for the "One shot to the head will kill him" a few people on the show have said it, but we have seen several cases that prove it to be false. Though bad writing and plot holes are the likely cause of this, it is also possible that the people who said it are simply wrong. Especially seeing as they have given us no indication that those people have any kind of proof to support their claims.
Though this is an interesting phenominon that seems to plague all TV/Movies/Video games:
http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html wrote:Nostradamus Rule
All legends are 100% accurate. All rumors are entirely factual. All prophecies will come true, and not just someday but almost immediatel
Here's some stuff someone with "an insider friend" posted on a heroes forum, good for larks
What was Changed During Volume 2:
1) Kristen Bell was originally suppose to be in 8 episodes and then killed off but due to fan support they are keeping her around for a bit longer
2) Elle was setup as a Bob's step daughter and the daughter of Meredith which in turn would have been Claire's SISTER but they dropped it due to lack of storylline and plot holes.
3) Stephen Tobolowsky (BOB) also had a slightly different story, he was supposed to be more evil then he is now and even recruited his SON WEST to make Claire turn against her father this was dropped early in Volume 2 for "various reasons".
Wow, so Claire was going to be Elle's sister as Kristen Bell almost leaked when she was signed on to the cast and I never saw that West would be Bob's Son, but it did feel like he was sent to watch Claire early on. Also, it did feel like Bob was planned to be this big EVIL character and then they backed off.
Ok now for what many of you want to know....the current direction for Vol. 3...please keep in mind nothing has been written and all of this is the "current" plan the writers have for the show. There is plenty of things that can change between now and well....whenever the show returns.
The Current Plan for Volume 3:
1) Ali Larter will return to the show (as Kristin at E!Online has already reported) but are planning to wrap up her storyline up in Volume 3.
2) Micah's storyline will end also
3) David Anders (Adam) will return and will meet a new friend
4) Adrian Pasdar (Nathan) well thats it up to the fans and he "might be back so don't worry."
5) Zachary Quinto (Sylar) will be more bad a** then ever and when we come back he will kill a star on the show
6) Villains is the start of something bigger for Heroes and hopefully it will be more fast pace then Generations (Volume 2).
All I can say is wow wow and wow....this all sounds very interesing, although this killing of characters and bringing them back is getting a little tiring....but I guess if you are a fan of Nathan start your campaigning right now...!!
rkolter wrote:Who do Kristen Bell and Ali Larter play?
Elle and Niki
-D. M. Jeftinija Pharm.D., Ph.D. -- Yes, I've got two doctorates and I'm arrogant about it, what have *you* done with *your* life?
"People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do." "yeah.. but we won't care."
"Legostar's on the first page of the guide. His opinion is worth more than both of yours."--Yeahduff
So basically nobody died. Nikki is gonna return, and we can't count Nathan out.
Dammit, it adds impact when the characters you kill stay dead. Killing Noah could have been a turning point for Mohinder's character and would have given him a good ending.
Blowing up would have been a great way to end Peter the impoosibly powered character.
Nathan, a political has-been, being assisinated would have been great.
STOP BRINGING THEM BACK.
Crossfire: "Thank you! That explains it very nicely, and in a language that someone other than a physicist can understand..."
Denial is not falsification. You can't avoid a fact just because you don't like it.
"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote"
Just saw it and, I have to say....NATHAN! NYOOOOOOO! Although now that they have healing juice, yeah, I agree he might not be out yet. I mean, the company made Claire's family think her dad was dead and all...and I'm pretty sure that Mrs. Patrelli would have a hissy fit if he were dead, instead of looking grim and resigned.
It's also probably Mr Bennet who shot him.
And if he IS dead...I'm going to miss the Nathan-Parkman Power Hour. :{ "Let's agree to never speak of this again."
I personally think that maybe just Adam will die from a shot to the head, and Claire has a more powerful regenerative power. I mean whenever they refer to dying from a shot to the head it's always been Kensei/Adam. Maybe Adam didn't know that Peter had Claire's healing. Mind, this is just one of those, make everything work because I'm crazy theories.
rkolter wrote:So basically nobody died. Nikki is gonna return, and we can't count Nathan out.
Dammit, it adds impact when the characters you kill stay dead. Killing Noah could have been a turning point for Mohinder's character and would have given him a good ending.
Blowing up would have been a great way to end Peter the impoosibly powered character.
Nathan, a political has-been, being assisinated would have been great.
STOP BRINGING THEM BACK.
This is pretty much why I didn't like the first part of the second season.
kaloo wrote:I personally think that maybe just Adam will die from a shot to the head, and Claire has a more powerful regenerative power. I mean whenever they refer to dying from a shot to the head it's always been Kensei/Adam. Maybe Adam didn't know that Peter had Claire's healing. Mind, this is just one of those, make everything work because I'm crazy theories.
Well my take on it is this- both of them DO die from a shot to the head. It's just that they come back to life if the bullet/piece of glass is removed. It happened to Claire and Peter both. If that glass/bullet had been left in, they'd still be dead. Remember, Peter kept telling people to aim for 'that spot' on his head should he go nuclear back in Season 1.
Edit: Though I'm still not sure why there were antsy about doing so back then. All they had to do is remove the bullet and he'd come back to life...
kaloo wrote:I personally think that maybe just Adam will die from a shot to the head, and Claire has a more powerful regenerative power. I mean whenever they refer to dying from a shot to the head it's always been Kensei/Adam. Maybe Adam didn't know that Peter had Claire's healing. Mind, this is just one of those, make everything work because I'm crazy theories.
Well my take on it is this- both of them DO die from a shot to the head. It's just that they come back to life if the bullet/piece of glass is removed. It happened to Claire and Peter both. If that glass/bullet had been left in, they'd still be dead. Remember, Peter kept telling people to aim for 'that spot' on his head should he go nuclear back in Season 1.
Edit: Though I'm still not sure why there were antsy about doing so back then. All they had to do is remove the bullet and he'd come back to life...
From a "how much does the body have to decay" point of view, I imagine the regenerative power is controlled by the brain, but if it's unable to regenerate it will eventually decay past the point of "knowing how to regenerate"
Then again the entire super-blood fountain of youth thing here kinda runs in the opposite direction and says it's the blood, not the brain. Damnit.
Maybe the brain only controls the creation/generation of the blood, and therefor being roasted, grinded, or torn to pieces wouldn't bring you back, but if the brain and... some bone barrow are still intact it could completely regenerate... I don't know how it solves the conservation of mass problem though.
Although now that they have healing juice, yeah, I agree he might not be out yet. I mean, the company made Claire's family think her dad was dead and all...and I'm pretty sure that Mrs. Patrelli would have a hissy fit if he were dead, instead of looking grim and resigned.
