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Brynnie-chan wrote:
rkolter wrote:Good one GmG... what about "before I die, I have to bleed, just a little, out of my mouth..." ?
Yeah. That, and this one, I used to love, but they're kinda overused:

When the hero OR villain gets thrown across the room, they hit the wall, and the teeniest little bit of blood comes out of their mouth, which they slowly wipe off and look at. And somehow, this pisses them off so bad that they start to kick ass.
Those moments when villain does something relatively trivial which pisses off the hero are generally stupid.
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The music.

I HATE horror and suspense movie's musical scores, especially horror films. Once, just ONCE I want the teenaged fluffy blond heroine to walk down the hallway with light, fluffy music, right up to when the whatever-the-hell-it-is jumps out at her. I can buy tense music when the scene is acutally tense (ie, the bomb is ticking down, there's a time limit, when SOMETHING IS HAPPENING) but when the main character's just walking down a hall, doing her own thing at the beginning of the movie...I would actually find scary thing happening with no visual or audio cues to be more frightening than fifteen minutes of lead in.

I have a brain. I can get scared on my own. I don't need you to cue me in on when I should be scared.

Also: Sex and romance in a monster movie. I might want to go out for a few beers with the guys later, but I'm not going to be in deep-eyeball-lock lust with anybody when the monster's chasing me.

Sci-fi equals monster movie. No. It doesn't.

Sequils/remakes. There are fifty excellent novels I can give you, off the top of my head. All would make good movies. You don't need to remake Oceans 11 and then make two sequils, or make another rocky movie.
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christwriter wrote:Sequils/remakes. There are fifty excellent novels I can give you, off the top of my head. All would make good movies. You don't need to remake Oceans 11 and then make two sequils, or make another rocky movie.
I agree absolutely. Especially about the Rocky movies. Why couldn't they make a Bullwinkle movie for a change?

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I think that rights to most of bestsellers get bought out right away. Companies buy rights to successful books without plans to make something out of them, but they do it on an off chance that they do decide to make something out of it in future, and of course, to prevent competition from making it.
Of course, the logic is that the familiar title will bring more viewers than the good story, thus they rather make Rocky 1532 and Die Hard 8473.

While we're at music, I hate it when music follows the story too literally. I hated "Shreck 2" music because every happening in the movie was literally rehashed in the accompanying song. I dunno, someone did something bad, and this was followed by Nick Cave's "People ain't no good". So, I'm no stupid, I got that poor Shrek is sad because he's been misstreated, but to bring the point across stronger, they have to accompany it with a sad music. But apparently that's not enough, because they have to pick a suitable text that would once again explain what we're supposed to feel.
I also hate when songs are picked for film as to make a good and sellable soundtrack album.

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christwriter wrote:Sequils/remakes. There are fifty excellent novels I can give you, off the top of my head. All would make good movies. You don't need to remake Oceans 11 and then make two sequils, or make another rocky movie.
I agree absolutely. Especially about the Rocky movies. Why couldn't they make a Bullwinkle movie for a change?

Also, WB CW!
they're remaking Halloween, it's not that old!

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legostargalactica wrote:
prettydragoon wrote:
christwriter wrote:Sequils/remakes. There are fifty excellent novels I can give you, off the top of my head. All would make good movies. You don't need to remake Oceans 11 and then make two sequils, or make another rocky movie.
I agree absolutely. Especially about the Rocky movies. Why couldn't they make a Bullwinkle movie for a change?

Also, WB CW!
they're remaking Halloween, it's not that old!
Rob Zombie is making it, which is the only thing about it that's giving me any sort of anticipation.
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There have been several Bullwinkle movies. They all sucked because that style of humor doesn't translate to a feature film.

Hollywood is not dumb. They make this crap because they know it sells.
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Hmmm... where to start?

The policeman's fumbling and wacky sidekick who causes trouble but ends up saving the day.

The angry man who takes revenge with a gun.

The criminal with a heart of gold.

The precocious child.

The hot bombshell woman who's really looking for "a nice guy."

The wisecracking detective, policeman, galactic warrior, or tough guy. One who always cracks a joke before killing someone.

The intellectual who is smart but unattractive and clumsy.

The nerd with the tape on his glasses and pencils hanging out of his pocket.

Women who exist simply to gratify men.

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theSuburbanLetdown wrote:Hollywood is not dumb. They make this crap because they know it sells.
Worms eat dirt because they know it works for them. Doesn't make them smart. It just makes it a well evolved habit.

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theSuburbanLetdown wrote:Hollywood is not dumb. They make this crap because they know it sells.
I, in fact, do think that it's dumb. But it's intentionally dumb, because if you act dumb you're able to automate your acting. They want to make movies on an assembly line, therefore they have to dumb down entire process, from initial choice of ideas to distribution. The whole industry makes quality of films irrelevant because what sels tickets is strong advertising machinery and monopoly that Hollywood has on many markets, and not the quality of the film itself. Think about it - they make sequels of things long after they stop being sellable, Kevin Kostner could make an expensive film long after his films earned their last nickel - but still, things like Rocky V still made some money because people mostly let adds or Oscar nominations decide for them what film to watch.
So basically being dumb is their way of survival. Truly, they haven't tried other ways - I dunno, say, incouraging individuality and originality, and they likely aren't gonna, because they won't take that chance. I may be an idealist but I do believe that deep down people want to see something new when they go to cinema (albeit with some dose of familiarity) and that you can fool them to some level, but can't fool them all the way and all the time. So I believe that system where quality of films is in the first place would work - but it's a system where there wouldn't be any constants. In current system, you know that if you get an attrocious film, usually you can still slap "Meatballs XLVIII" as a title, advertise the hell out of it and that way gather enough crowd to pay for production costs.

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Yes. What I meant by not dumb is that they know these ideas are stupid. They just know people will pay to see them and there's little risk involved by treading on the familiar and catering to a lower common denominator. I hope you're right about the masses wanting to see something fresh deep down. But at the moment, they're gonna pay money to see The Chipmunks and Chuck & Larry or some attrocious sequel. Or maybe people are watching these things because it's being offered to them, and the industry keeps making them because people are seeing them. It's like a cycle of crap.

On second thought, they are dumb. Fuck them.
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The people in charge and making the money in Hollywood certainly are not dumb. The movies that they make are, however.
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Everything is dumb. They're all dumb, and so are we.

My God, I'm tired.

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theSuburbanLetdown wrote:Everything is dumb. They're all dumb, and so are we.

My God, I'm tired.

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yeahduff wrote:
theSuburbanLetdown wrote:Everything is dumb. They're all dumb, and so are we.

My God, I'm tired.

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theSuburbanLetdown wrote:Yes. What I meant by not dumb is that they know these ideas are stupid. They just know people will pay to see them and there's little risk involved by treading on the familiar and catering to a lower common denominator. I hope you're right about the masses wanting to see something fresh deep down. But at the moment, they're gonna pay money to see The Chipmunks and Chuck & Larry or some attrocious sequel. Or maybe people are watching these things because it's being offered to them, and the industry keeps making them because people are seeing them. It's like a cycle of crap.

On second thought, they are dumb. Fuck them.
There's some level of habit there. Hollywood functions the way it does for about 70-80 years now. By now, people are so used to this system. They're used to choosing what to see by which film has the largest poster in the lobby of cinema. They're used to choosing by which actirs play in movie although it's not more difficult to keep track of which director makes it. In a way Hollywood has instrumentalized people.
But you're right, they aren't stupid, which you can see by comparing them to USA comic industry. Hollywood manages to keep track of other world's cinema and to assimilate it's talents and pick elements of that talent that they need while smothering other elements that deem unreliable. They do accept new things and adjust them to their needs. Comic book industry tries to work with the same system of assembly line and draining ideas for their full commercial potential, but there's only a few cases where they accepted something new (a few English writers like Moor) and even then didn't manage to assimilate it well - and generally they're far more nearsighted than film producers, so much that they cater to a very small target audience and work in a very narrow scope of genres and topics. Which is basically why comic book industry is standing on glass legs and why they're straining everyone's patience with endless crossovers, and why you can count on your fingers successful and long-lasting comic franchises.

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legostargalactica wrote:They're making a sequel to Elizabeth... WHY?
So they can call it "Elizabeth II"?
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legostargalactica wrote:They're making a sequel to Elizabeth... WHY?
So they can call it "Elizabeth II"?
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yeahduff wrote: I'll go to science class to learn about vacuums.
Biggest flaw with all of the "new" Star Treks (except maybe Entrerprise) is the constant barrage of technical babble. Basically, the writers would (literally) have "fill in the blank" spaces in the scripts so a medical or scientific consultant could add some sciencey-sounding speak that came off like a bad Scrabble hand. So instead of sounding smart and full of knowledge, the characters sounded like jabbering babblers.

It really pissed me off because, not only was it pointless, lazy, and a waste of screen/story time, but Spock, McCoy, and Scotty never had to use that crap to explain science/medical/technical stuff on the REAL Star Trek.
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christwriter wrote:The music.

I HATE horror and suspense movie's musical scores, especially horror films. Once, just ONCE I want the teenaged fluffy blond heroine to walk down the hallway with light, fluffy music, right up to when the whatever-the-hell-it-is jumps out at her.
This made me think of the the Don't Stop Me Now scene in Shaun Of the Dead. Smacking a zombie to death with a pool cue could have been done to so many songs, but that was perfect.
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