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yeahduff wrote:I guess I just don't get it. The more I think about the name Wii, the more I like it. It's distinct, it looks great written down, makes a nice logo, and within a month of the release no one will think about any juvenile connotations the sound "we" has. It's a better name than PlayStation or SuperNintendo (for god's sakes), and definitely better than it's forerunner, Revolution. I don't see anything absurd about it, and if it turns out to be an April Fool's joke, I'll be disappointed only because it's not actually funny in any way. But really. Is it just the urine thing? What? Explain to me why it sucks so much.

While you're at it, explain to me why I care.
Problem is, as someone already said, when you actually have to explain to your consumers how your product is pronounced and other things. It is simply not intuitive and it's harder to approach.
I mean, yes, it doesn't seem like a big deal. Once the pronouncing is explained for the 1000th time, people will stop asking that question. The wee connotation is a joke that will wear out. And in the end, in some perfect world where agressive marketing isn't important, if the product is quality, people will buy it.
For me, it starts to seem like a big deal when I realise that there was probably an entire marketing team of well-payed professionals working on it. Imagine what it looked like, preparing Wii for release, for months, their only job was probably thinking of a proper name and marketing strategy for the product. Knowing how important marketing is today, they knew that what they came up would be decisive.
In a way, for any of reasons stated above, what they had to come up, had to be perfect. But it's not, as response by people says. Did that professional marketing team didn't figure out that some people will find a toilet collotation in it? That others will be annoyed by the awkward spelling? That people will crack a joke about it? (revolution was bland and imaginative, but at least that means it was not irritating)

Actually, my guess is, they did and they probably went for the negative publicity stint. Even as we speak about it here or as those guys blog and blog about the new name, we are all giving them free advertisement.

Well, my beef about it is that I hate when advertisers are intentionally irritating us to raise a fuss. I hate commercials that intentionally try to annoy and I think that anyone who goes for "no publicity is bad publicity" strategy should be choked a bit until he turns blue.
I also dislike that they're trying to go for quirkiness (just like I'd dislike a Tiffany who spelled her name as TEEphanney). They are trying to be original, to think outside the box, and frankly, I think that they fail.

But I can't say that I really care that much. As said, I'm not a gamer and this is just another excuse to goof around.

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I'm buying it one way or the other. My heart is set to Nintendo. Sure the Gamecube failed at almost everything, but Nintendo has a great line of consoles to back it up. C'mon, the 64 was cool. Now if the Wii sucks, then I'm switching to X-Box, but untill I have proof other wise, I think the nun-chuck controllers will rawk.
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Guildmaster Van wrote:I don't know why this is still a hot subject.
People don't buy consoles based on their names.

Nintendo doesn't need an impressive name to sell consoles (They need good games :p But then again I'm a Nintendo hater)
This is mostly true, but it omits a few things.
The first of which is public opinion: Obviously, people reacted badly to this new name, which is going to reduce sales. Nintendo may also stand to lose some publicity down the road if people who own Wii are reluctant to talk about it (the old word of mouth publicity).

Second is what Penny Arcade said: "they chose a name that was and is so readily used to obscure and discredit the imaginative power of the system". Moving all the focus to this terrible name distracts people from what the system is really about.

Also, Nintendo is looking to hook people who have never been gamers before, and to them a name might well be important (if they know little else about games beyond what they see in front of them). Wii doesn't exactly make a good first impression.

And ultimately, even if ithe name doesn't really matter, there's no reason to do a bad job with it.
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KittyKatBlack wrote: To be honest? We is an adjective. Wii is a noun, because it's a thing. Saying, "Let's play with the Wii." sounds wrong because you dont use an adjecive as the subject of the sentance. So I think the main reason it's not working, dispite the fact that it's easy to joke about, is the fact that it's relationship to We breaks the rules of proper english.
"We" is definitely a pronoun.
McDuffies wrote:Problem is, as someone already said, when you actually have to explain to your consumers how your product is pronounced and other things. It is simply not intuitive and it's harder to approach.
I mean, yes, it doesn't seem like a big deal. Once the pronouncing is explained for the 1000th time, people will stop asking that question. The wee connotation is a joke that will wear out. And in the end, in some perfect world where agressive marketing isn't important, if the product is quality, people will buy it.
For me, it starts to seem like a big deal when I realise that there was probably an entire marketing team of well-payed professionals working on it. Imagine what it looked like, preparing Wii for release, for months, their only job was probably thinking of a proper name and marketing strategy for the product. Knowing how important marketing is today, they knew that what they came up would be decisive.
In a way, for any of reasons stated above, what they had to come up, had to be perfect. But it's not, as response by people says. Did that professional marketing team didn't figure out that some people will find a toilet collotation in it? That others will be annoyed by the awkward spelling? That people will crack a joke about it? (revolution was bland and imaginative, but at least that means it was not irritating)

Actually, my guess is, they did and they probably went for the negative publicity stint. Even as we speak about it here or as those guys blog and blog about the new name, we are all giving them free advertisement.

Well, my beef about it is that I hate when advertisers are intentionally irritating us to raise a fuss. I hate commercials that intentionally try to annoy and I think that anyone who goes for "no publicity is bad publicity" strategy should be choked a bit until he turns blue.
I also dislike that they're trying to go for quirkiness (just like I'd dislike a Tiffany who spelled her name as TEEphanney). They are trying to be original, to think outside the box, and frankly, I think that they fail.

But I can't say that I really care that much. As said, I'm not a gamer and this is just another excuse to goof around.
Well, pronunciation? In Japan (where Nintendo is from), "Wii" is pronounced pretty close to how we say "we." Shouldn't be a problem over there. For everyone else, they probably figured it'd be OK. Kill Bill featured a character named O-Ren Ishii (a name you all know how to pronounce, now). Japanese culture continues to permeate Western culture, so much that Gwen Stefani is using Japanese words in her videos. Really, it's not that exotic.

OK, it resembles a baby talk term for urine. To make that association, you'd have to ignore the English first person pronoun and the French term for agreement, both terms used much much more widely. If you wanna make a dick joke, you'll be able to, but it ain't inherent.

It's my understanding that this system is taking some big chances, what with the controller and stuff. If you're gonna promote a truly innovative product, you simply cannot choose a name as banal as "Revolution." You're not gonna confuse Wii with anything else. The entire project risks alienating a lot of customers in an attempt to make something fresh. Why should the name do otherwise?

Of course, they can call it The Brian Duffy God Machine and I won't be purchasing it or any other device like it, so I suppose I should just shut the hell up already. But it really seems like everyone's pissed off because it WASN'T named something incredibly lame, like every other game systen ever made. Whoo hoo XBox.
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yeahduff wrote:Well, pronunciation? In Japan (where Nintendo is from), "Wii" is pronounced pretty close to how we say "we." Shouldn't be a problem over there.
There is no "we" sound in Japanese. They'd end up spelling it something like "Uii," which would make it a two-syllable word for them. It might not be a problem, but it certainly isn't intuitive. It's a little like how we don't have the right consonant in our language to spell the word "tao."

And speaking of consonants, I think that may be part of the problem with "Wii." Since "W" is a semi-consonant, you never close your mouth when you say the word. There's no punch to it. You see a guy standing on top of a mountain screaming, "Nintendo," and it sounds dumb, but at least it makes an impression. Imagine someone standing on top of a mountain screaming, "Wii." It sounds weak (which happens to be another word that "Wii" too closely resembles).

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Mr.Bob wrote:How is Nintendo 64 gay?
No I mean this:

"Let's go to your house and play with your gaystation, no wait, you have a (butt)sexbox don't you? Well at least I don't have the gaycube and gayboy and nobody to else to plug in. GayStationPortable Sucks, and we can now play with your Wii..."

Every game console that was released with the word "game" in it automatically gets gay'ed, anything that doesn't have the word game in it can be turned into a homoerotism word.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GayCube
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... tation+Poo
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sexbox

this BTW is mostly an internet trend, as prior to the playstation and N64 I don't know if people referred to game consoles this way.

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I've never heard any of those. It's all very stupid. One may even say it's pretty gay.
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"Wii can be easily remembered by people around the world, no matter what language they speak"

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no one's posted this yet, so ...

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ahaugen wrote:no one's posted this yet, so ...

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=195
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On-topic:
The "Wii" thing is either the most brilliant marketing strategy ever, or Nintendo needs to fire its marketing department. Seriously.

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ManyWorlds wrote: On-topic:
The "Wii" thing is either the most brilliant marketing strategy ever, or Nintendo needs to fire its marketing department. Seriously.
This reminds me of a quote from Invader Zim.

"It's not stupid. It's advanced!"

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KittyKatBlack wrote:
ManyWorlds wrote: On-topic:
The "Wii" thing is either the most brilliant marketing strategy ever, or Nintendo needs to fire its marketing department. Seriously.
This reminds me of a quote from Invader Zim.

"It's not stupid. It's advanced!"
The rest of the conversation applies pretty well too.

"It looks kind of... not good."
"Yes, well... that's what the enemy will think."
"I see... VERY good! Give it to meeeee!"

"...Is it supposed to be stupid?"
"It's not stupid, it's ADVANCED!"


Though I don't really think the big N should be taking their marketing cues from Zim:

"Don't you see Gaz? He's an alien! He's trying to destroy the world!"
"But he's so BAD at it."
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so it seems ps3 is also going to have motion sensitive controllers. still shaped the same way, but I found that interesting.
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phactorri wrote:so it seems ps3 is also going to have motion sensitive controllers. still shaped the same way, but I found that interesting.
Do you mean the new tilt function of the dual shocks, or the remote control? The remote was a prank, but the dual shock is for realz.

P.S. I am so happy that the Dual Shock is still alive. Its my favorite controler ever.

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Motion-sensitive, but not the kind of span as the Wii. Nintendo fans are complaining over nothing. :roll:
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