disOWNED

[McDuffies]

So... you can fool poor little 25-year-old who isn't responsible for it's actions into having kids when it really doesn't want to?
It's not a cultural thing. It's biological.

[Escushion]

I never said they weren't responsible for it. I think the people who have kids when they don't like kids aren't too bright thinking they'll suddenly like them and be good parents just by having their own. I'm just informing you that it happens; deny it all you like.

[McDuffies]

Oh, I'm sure it happens, only not nearly as often as you suggest.

Which, however, doesn't regard my initial point which is that you can't explain wrong actions of your parents by that they don't care about you - that'd be pretty much on a level of angsty teenager. Chances are, they do, they're just bad in expressing that.

[Escushion]

Err, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply it's an epidemic or anything. I just wanted to be clear that it's not a myth.

[McDuffies]

But of course, negative population growth is a large problem in western world nowadays, which evidences that less and less couples want to have kids; Though, it doesn't tell of how much people with kids don't love their children; Actually, it's usually interpreted by that parents usually settle for one kid. But anyways...

If I came cross earlier, that's because of Rocknjosie's post that lingers mostly on missreading my post as some sort of extreme statement without allowing exceptions and then disagreeing based on that. She tends to do that so I got a bit grate this time.

[Rocknjosie]

But of course, negative population growth is a large problem in western world nowadays, which evidences that less and less couples want to have kids; Though, it doesn't tell of how much people with kids don't love their children; Actually, it's usually interpreted by that parents usually settle for one kid. But anyways...

If I came cross earlier, that's because of Rocknjosie's post that lingers mostly on missreading my post as some sort of extreme statement without allowing exceptions and then disagreeing based on that. She tends to do that so I got a bit grate this time.

I do tend to do that and I appologize. I know it's semantical, but saying loving people rather than saying parents just works better. It's on the same line as saying partner rather than boyfriend/girlfriend. It didn't require the amount of angst I gave in my reply, but saying people need parents reeks of priveledge and unintentionally alienates single parent, same sex, foster, etc. homes. I'm real sorry I do this habitually, I'll try and give people the benefit of the doubt in the future.

[Rocknjosie]

But of course, negative population growth is a large problem in western world nowadays, which evidences that less and less couples want to have kids; Though, it doesn't tell of how much people with kids don't love their children; Actually, it's usually interpreted by that parents usually settle for one kid. But anyways...

If I came cross earlier, that's because of Rocknjosie's post that lingers mostly on missreading my post as some sort of extreme statement without allowing exceptions and then disagreeing based on that. She tends to do that so I got a bit grate this time.

This could be semantic, but did you mean problem as in a negative thing? Because with overcrowded cities and schools, I don't think a decline in the population would be a bad thing. Plus with the Baby Boomer generation not to far back in the past, I'd think this would be more a return to normalcy than a decline.

[McDuffies]

Well, it's a problem from the point of view of nations that are facing negative population growth because if the trend continues, they might be extinct and their culture might be repressed by the culture of, say, immigrants from third world who arrive to fill the void in working population. Of course it's not a problem to said workers from third world.
I used the term 'problem' inertially, because it's the light in which it's already spoken, though I, personally, am mostly indifferent. I can identify both with third world people who go to rich countries in search for better life (well, being a citizen of one such country) and with western world people who feel that their culture and national identity might in future be threatened.

I do tend to do that and I appologize. I know it's semantical, but saying loving people rather than saying parents just works better. It's on the same line as saying partner rather than boyfriend/girlfriend. It didn't require the amount of angst I gave in my reply, but saying people need parents reeks of priveledge and unintentionally alienates single parent, same sex, foster, etc. homes. I'm real sorry I do this habitually, I'll try and give people the benefit of the doubt in the future.

It's just that I was trying to say something positive, there's much of the negative responses in the thread and I didn't think that responses like "Hey, your dad's a jerk, forget about him" are very helpful... Or tactful. Heavy fights like here, in my experience, usually come from excessive emotions, not from lack of them.

[Escushion]

Some parts of the world are suffering negative population growth, others are suffering from overpopulation. Unfortunately, not all places are as desirable to live in as others.

[Rocknjosie]

Well, it's a problem from the point of view of nations that are facing negative population growth because if the trend continues, they might be extinct and their culture might be repressed by the culture of, say, immigrants from third world who arrive to fill the void in working population. Of course it's not a problem to said workers from third world.
I used the term 'problem' inertially, because it's the light in which it's already spoken, though I, personally, am mostly indifferent. I can identify both with third world people who go to rich countries in search for better life (well, being a citizen of one such country) and with western world people who feel that their culture and national identity might in future be threatened.

I do tend to do that and I appologize. I know it's semantical, but saying loving people rather than saying parents just works better. It's on the same line as saying partner rather than boyfriend/girlfriend. It didn't require the amount of angst I gave in my reply, but saying people need parents reeks of priveledge and unintentionally alienates single parent, same sex, foster, etc. homes. I'm real sorry I do this habitually, I'll try and give people the benefit of the doubt in the future.

It's just that I was trying to say something positive, there's much of the negative responses in the thread and I didn't think that responses like "Hey, your dad's a jerk, forget about him" are very helpful... Or tactful. Heavy fights like here, in my experience, usually come from excessive emotions, not from lack of them.

I completely understand that and agree, but had you phrased it that plainly from the beginning I probably wouldn't have overreacted. Specially since you brought in dutch!'s comment, I just didn't see it in context. Again I apologize for overreacting so easily and missing the intent of people's comments. It's hard in the online world because you don't have people's character to add context.

[McDuffies]

I completely understand that and agree, but had you phrased it that plainly from the beginning I probably wouldn't have overreacted. Specially since you brought in dutch!'s comment, I just didn't see it in context. Again I apologize for overreacting so easily and missing the intent of people's comments. It's hard in the online world because you don't have people's character to add context.

I overacted too.
Dutch seems to like to present unpopular sides of the matter but, because he doesn't put them very well, he is often a subject of ganging up.

Some parts of the world are suffering negative population growth, others are suffering from overpopulation. Unfortunately, not all places are as desirable to live in as others.

Yep. Overpopulation is generally not as big problem as it's generally believed to be, as living resources and space are still more than enough for entire world population, and will be for a long time, even with this kind of growth ('cept in SF stories, of course). Alas, they're distributed very unevenly.

[Dutch!]

Don't be too concerned, Josie. I seem to have rubbed a few people the wrong way lately without realising quite how. Stuff like this happens every now and then and misunderstandings arise. This is a little one.

I wouldn't say I enjoy taking the unpopular side of things...but yeah, if I think there's another side that should be at least recognised, if not agreed upon, then someone should put their hand up. In this case, I just thought it an over reaction to threaten someone (verbally in this case) over what I would have thought was just a throw away joke. Okay, you could take it as an offensive slight, but the action taken I thought was a little extreme. Take it on the chin and show you don't need to stoop to that level.

Five days suspension was a bloody big whack more than was necessary too, on the other hand.

I guess it comes down to being a little sick of whinging about how things are wrong in the world and how you've been treated unfairly this way or that. Chin up, realise you may have lost this round, but keep your eyes on the next contest. There's plenty to out weigh the bad if you keep looking for it.

Enough from me. This is just my perspective on stuff like this. It's no more important than anybody else's by any means. It's simply the way I look at the world. It's not winning, it's how you handle yourself in the game. Something negative happens, then here's a bit of tough love etc...build yourself a bridge and get over it.

If this has somehow alienated anybody else, it's not my intention to do so. I'll keep my head out of threads along these lines in the future, for the sake of both sides of the arguments.

Cheers.

[Killbert-Robby]

My parents have always been very supportive, which is nice considering animation isn't the most secure future per se.

Man I wish I had your parents. My parents always went against my career choices. With cartooning they REALLY flipped out. The only job choices they accept is engineering, medicine, or law. So I use those as a cover story while I work on my drawing.

[BrownEyedCat]

Ironically, my parents try to encourage me to pursue comics are a career, but I don't want to attempt to do comics in any professional capacity.

[Blackaby]

My parents are glad I'm not a heroin addict.

[Mercury Hat]

I think my dad's wife suspected me of being a lesbian at one point and is probably relieved that I am not.

[Killbert-Robby]

I think my dad's wife suspected me of being a lesbian at one point and is probably relieved that I am not.

You're NOT?


j/k

[Doll]

I think my dad's wife suspected me of being a lesbian at one point and is probably relieved that I am not.

Ditto... little did they know I was just vewy shy

[Rkolter]

I think my dad's wife suspected me of being a lesbian at one point and is probably relieved that I am not.

You're NOT?


j/k

See you after your ban.

[Sortelli]

I actually wondered about my sister a few times, I never saw her with a boyfriend and never heard talk about boys.

Then one day she ran off and got married. So I guess she was just hella discreet.



My parents? They bug me about not updating as much as certain people on this foru*COUGHLego*