Don't Ignore This Thread. It's Not Dead Yet

Hyrodragonslayer · Post by **Hyrodragonslayer** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:53 pm

I uploaded a new comic. What do you all think? NEW COMIC
I don't want to know if it's funny. I don't care about that part.

Godoftarot · Post by **Godoftarot** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:56 pm

Discretion is the better part of valor, discretion is the better part of valor, discretion is the better part of valor...

HeDanny · Post by **HeDanny** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:34 pm

Bah, pay no attention to her. I read it and it gave me a smile. I think the Comic drawings falling out of the photo of the building is quite the silly and gave me a wide grin.

I also REALLY like the effects you have on your "Almost 1337" at the top, and the wierd speed lines or whatever they are on the navigation links. You are MUCH better with photoshop effects than I am. Not that THAT means anything as EVERYONE is better than me.

Might want to work on the site design a little. Its a bit ordinary. I believe Inking your drawings may serve you well for future strips as well.

Hyrodragonslayer · Post by **Hyrodragonslayer** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:39 pm

Thank you for the best review I've gotten in a long time.

I'm playing with styles for a site background which is ..:COMING SOON:..

And I'm going to get some inking pens to solve that problem.

Godoftarot · Post by **Godoftarot** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:46 pm

hyrodragonslayer wrote:Thank you for the best review I've gotten in a long time.

I'm playing with styles for a site background which is ..:COMING SOON:..

And I'm going to get some inking pens to solve that problem.

You know, time on these forums have taught me an important lesson: the "best" reviews are not necessarily the ones that make you feel good. Personally I think the best review I ever got was the one that made me decide that one way or another, I was going to get better at drawing. Okay, maybe that was more than one review, but that's really besides the point. The point is that if you're really looking for criticism, you can't just take the good ones and ignore all the rest. You'll never improve that way.

SkrwU02 · Post by **SkrwU02** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:49 pm

aye capitan, your arts good, your clean up can use some work though

HeDanny · Post by **HeDanny** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:57 pm

godoftarot wrote:.. the "best" reviews are not necessarily the ones that make you feel good.

true, that.

Hyrodragonslayer · Post by **Hyrodragonslayer** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:55 pm

My mistake. I should've said most lenient.

ChaosBurnFlame · Post by **ChaosBurnFlame** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:03 pm

What puzzles me is that you ask for a critique every time you make just one new page. What do you want really? As I said before, I think you're looking for quick praise.

As someone told me when I asked for a critique a month after I started, work on it for half a year, THEN ask for advice. If you're looking for quick praise, then put one of those feedback forms on your comic.

As stated before, You have characters that weren't properly introduced, art that needs quite a bit of work...

Like why can your characters fly? If we knew they could fly beforehand it might make what you had there a joke. As is, its as if you are creating abilities for them as you are going along. Why were your characters in that building? Why should we care about them? Should we hate them? Love them? Etc?

Individuality is important here. The paper cutout 'Paper Mario' Style CAN turn into something, if you use crisper, cleaner lines. I'd recommend use of a vector based art system as well. Leet Talk after Megatokyo broke through is now passe at best, so I'd recommend not using it as a way of conversation.

For your fonts, I recommend you go to http://www.blambot.com and use one of their many free dialogue fonts.

Overall, just take some time and effort and create more than just one more page before you ask for criticism.

Hyrodragonslayer · Post by **Hyrodragonslayer** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:07 pm

I can't get a very smooth outline of them so crisper cleaner lines are hard to do. As for all the plothoes I will try to follow in the footsteps of this guy and explain what happened in the previous comic in the next one.

ChaosBurnFlame · Post by **ChaosBurnFlame** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:10 pm

hyrodragonslayer wrote:I can't get a very smooth outline of them so crisper cleaner lines are hard to do. As for all the plothoes I will try to follow in the footsteps of this guy and explain what happened in the previous comic in the next one.

Plotholes would imply the existance of a plot that ranges from more than one comic. Before going any further, I suggest you look through the webcomic "How to not do a webcomic".

So far, you've done a prime example of "How to not introduce a character".

Hyrodragonslayer · Post by **Hyrodragonslayer** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:25 pm

Do you suppose doing a Bio's page would make all those problems go away?

ChaosBurnFlame · Post by **ChaosBurnFlame** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:29 pm

hyrodragonslayer wrote:Do you suppose doing a Bio's page would make all those problems go away?

*sighs* There are no quick fixes. It seems to me you want to do another one page update and be like "problem solved! Where are my new fans?"

The Trick is this: Write a story, find a beginning point where your characters can be introduced WITHOUT doing "Hey, this is so and so, this is what he does".

It could be something as simple as a character going to a grocery store or getting out of bed or going to work.

Explain what their abilities are. Don't just have them magically fly. Does that mean EVERYONE in your world can fly? Why do they fly in two different ways? Why would their friend push them out of a window? Why were they in a building anyways?

Hyrodragonslayer · Post by **Hyrodragonslayer** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:36 pm

Problem=I don't want to delete the current strips. Is there a way I can fix the problem in later strips?

ChaosBurnFlame · Post by **ChaosBurnFlame** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:43 pm

Solution: Never be in love with your own stuff.

If you want to make an effort to turn this webcomic around, its best to start from scratch. If you don't, then go ahead as you are, just stop seeking instant gratification in this forum for this effort. I got yelled at for asking for two critiques within three months, and I do a page a day.

You're asking for a critique every new page.

Hyrodragonslayer · Post by **Hyrodragonslayer** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:51 pm

Sorry. I made the background a bit less tasteless. And I just wanted to know if there was any way I could save the comic without killing ALL of the last 20 strips. I would appreciate it if I could get some serious quality feedback on this one in particular. Thanks

ChaosBurnFlame · Post by **ChaosBurnFlame** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:54 pm

The most meaningful advice is as I said: Its best to start from scratch. You restarted three times already. What would it hurt to start fresh?

Hyrodragonslayer · Post by **Hyrodragonslayer** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:57 pm

Before I kill the comic I would like to know if I should delete all of the comics. And what do you think of the background?

ChaosBurnFlame · Post by **ChaosBurnFlame** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:00 am

hyrodragonslayer wrote:Before I kill the comic I would like to know if I should delete all of the comics. And what do you think of the background?

Background appears to be a quick fix that doesn't change the site's layout at all.

go to http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com to learn some basics of weblayout.

Hyrodragonslayer · Post by **Hyrodragonslayer** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:05 am

First I'd like to know what sucks about it.