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Think your comic can improve? Whether it's art or writing, composition or colouring, feel free to ask here! Critique and commentary welcome.

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Time to submit my comic to some abuse...

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I'm probably gonna regret this a second later, but I think it's finally time to submit myself to the humiliation of a critique.

So, go ahead, tear me apart and tell me all that's wrong with my comic. Artwise, especially. I know I have a lot of things to improve on, so I'd especially appreciate specific examples, please.

You can find it at:
http://hiye.keenspace.com

Also, if anyone would know of any way to learn to draw/render online without taking classes, please post. I've tried getting books on perspective and proportions, as there are no drawing courses in the nearby colleges open to children under 16 :-?, so I would like to know if there's any way to do it online.

Thanks in advance.
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I'm in a bit of a hurry, so this'll be quick:

First off, your art is fine. Great. You have a nice, consistent style. Keep it.

Just a few things:

-Your boys are too girlish. Sometimes the only thing that can distinguish a pretty boy from a girl is an Adam's apple, so you should at least have that. I have trouble telling genders.

-I'm sometimes unclear where the speech bubbles go to.

-Panel order can be confusing, for example: http://hiye.keenspace.com/d/20040318.html

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I think that's part of the point. This is a yaoi comic, after all.

The artwork is very pretty. The text, however, is very small and very hard to read. I would suggest using a more friendly font like anime ace or digital strip. You might take a look at Mighty Zeo, also.

I've only seen a very few cases where manga uses lower case text. (This is coming out of a Tokyopop Sneak preview book.)

Under a Glass Moon uses lowercase text for speech but the text is very wide and very clear, almost like a lowercase digital strip. All caps is used for emphasis and it works very well, though I do think the lowercase is harder to read.

Brain Powered uses lowercase to differentiate the "writing a letter home" text from the regular speech and narration. Again, the text is wide and clear.

http://hiye.keenspace.com/d/20040411.html
That last panel looks a bit Miyazaki-esque.

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Hm, I've tried downloading some fonts from Blambot, and then saved them in my fonts folder, but they never seem to show up in the folder when I open it again. They don't show up in Microsoft Word or Photoshop, either.
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I would agree that your font (which I recognized instantly as Papyrus, or the Crocodile Hunder font) is not the best choice. It has some cracks and stuff around the edges that make it poor for a body font. For titles only! It is also frequently used by bad graphic designers on low-budget product labels and signs. Stay away from Papyrus! Windows comes bundled with comic sans, which is a crappy looking font but should read better on the screen. I have no idea why you can't install fonts; do you have administrator power on the profile you are using on you computer?

I think you are using too many lines in peoples' hair. A few lines with some interesting thins and thicks will make the hair stand our better; look at Chiho Saito's work in the Utena comics for a good example. Hell, use her as a good example on almost everything. She is a master at line weight, that is making lines thinner or thicker based on light and the importance of the elements. Try to notice how the lines get thinner and thicker and why. Actually, any good manga artist is good to look at for this, though Saito is my fave.

Speaking of which, what are you using to ink? I think your strip could really improve by using some nice line weight variation and that requires something pressure sensitive, such as a brush or crow quill. If are inking digitally, it might not be worth the trouble, though.

Spot some blacks. Your images move from a dark gray to white but we never see much black. Some bold black gives a nice way to lead the readers eyes around. Don't be afraid to lose some detail every once in awhile to give some dynamic lighting. Also, you don't have to make every panel taking place in the same area have the same spread of dark and light. You can vary the amount of dark and light to make some panels have more impact. Just because someone's hair was represented by black in one panel doesn't mean you can't use gray in another.

Okay, that was a lot I think could be improved. Just my observations; you may disagree with a lot of it. I will say that nothing I mentioned earlier are you doing badly; I just think some tweaking could really make you pages more engaging visually.

Good stuff now. Very expressive faces and bodies. The drawing itself is consistent and elegant. I like it. Panel layout is good and interesting. Some of your pages are very contemplative and almost eerie, as any comic that deals with young sexuality would be. This is not something I would normally choose to read but you seem to have a good comic going. Good luck and I think you are very talented!
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For fonts, I save them to my desktop, open my fonts folder then select import new font (under file, I think). Select the desktop and it should identify the font files on its own. It's just a matter of selecting them and hitting okay.
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Your font is pretty hard to read at times. But your art is very very pretty. ^_^ Pay attention to thr advice of the comic masters! :D Sometimes I had trouble figuring out the panel order as well, right to left doens't bother me at all, but it's still confusing.

As for your font, Blambot links right to a site that tells you how to unpack and instal fonts. Maybe they would explain whatever problem you are having installing them. Yeah, it's me, Kat-chan the unhelpful.

Their link is: http://www.myfonts.com/support/
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Stephen Henderson-Grady wrote:
I think you are using too many lines in peoples' hair. A few lines with some interesting thins and thicks will make the hair stand our better; look at Chiho Saito's work in the Utena comics for a good example. Hell, use her as a good example on almost everything. She is a master at line weight, that is making lines thinner or thicker based on light and the importance of the elements. Try to notice how the lines get thinner and thicker and why. Actually, any good manga artist is good to look at for this, though Saito is my fave.

Speaking of which, what are you using to ink? I think your strip could really improve by using some nice line weight variation and that requires something pressure sensitive, such as a brush or crow quill. If are inking digitally, it might not be worth the trouble, though.

Spot some blacks. Your images move from a dark gray to white but we never see much black. Some bold black gives a nice way to lead the readers eyes around. Don't be afraid to lose some detail every once in awhile to give some dynamic lighting. Also, you don't have to make every panel taking place in the same area have the same spread of dark and light. You can vary the amount of dark and light to make some panels have more impact. Just because someone's hair was represented by black in one panel doesn't mean you can't use gray in another.
I've been using just my .20 tip Pigma Micron, and I've tried India ink once with a few different sizes of calligraphy pen, but found the line to be too thick. I don't really know how to make the Micron give a line of varying thickness, besides going in and drawing another line next to the first, which I have been trying to do recently. I like the idea about the varying thicknesses in the hair, by the way. I've been using Miho Obana's Kodocha for reference up until now, which uses many lines in the hair and gives it a great sense of flow. I'll look for the Utena comics next time I can get to a bookstore.

Yeah, I'm pretty hesitant about putting black in manually. I'm just beginning to learn about shadows/light sources and all that good stuff and greatly fear messing up a whole page by going in and putting in too much black by pen, or in the wrong places, especially since it doesn't allow mistakes. But I've noticed that too, and am trying to get more of the black in there. I still have a lot to learn about lighting before I think I'll be ready to put in the dramatic blacks with a pen. Thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to try, though.
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Eeep... my post was swallowed by keenspace demons... gotta try again...

Yes... I'm not sure what you were worried about - saying all that stuff about regretting the request for critique - your artwork is absolutely fabulous. I wish I'd be half as good as you are. And though Stephen thinks you use too many lines in the hair, I think it makes the hair look natural and flowing. The way you do hair is amazing, I want to be able to do it too. You're good with backgrounds, characters, dynamic layout... *siiiiiigh* I want to be able to do that toooo!

The only thing I can really comment on is that the characters in your story look similar to each other. It could be just me, of course... but from appearance I'd say the woman who have Tempest detention has more personality in her looks than Tempest. There is little you can do about it now... but... you could try to give your new characters a completely personal style. Their hair in a certain way, certain clothes, the way they stand, the angle their head usually is in, something like that. A good example in this kind of stuff is Saturnalia.

In any case... you shouldn't be so insecure about your work. It is really beautiful! I think you have lots of talent, and I hope you'll continue drawing and making comics. ;)
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Sopheia wrote:
The only thing I can really comment on is that the characters in your story look similar to each other. It could be just me, of course... but from appearance I'd say the woman who have Tempest detention has more personality in her looks than Tempest.
Ah, yes. Well, he is supposed to be portrayed as someone rather boring, ordinary, forgettable.. at the beginning. His uniqueness is supposed to come through along the course of the story. :wink: I'll keep that in mind, though. Thanks!
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I love your art as it is!! It's perfectly fine ^_^
Actually, I think the whole comic is fine.
maybe the font, but it didn't catch my attention. . .
good work!
I do have a question though. . .
what program did you use?

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Meaningless Mantra wrote: I do have a question though. . .
what program did you use?
Program? I just use photoshop 7.0. ^^

Back in the start I used a bit of Corel Draw for some of the classroom/hallway backgrounds, but now I do them by hand.
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Don't really have the time to read through much of your comic, but I'd like to say I think your art is beautiful. I'm not usually a fan of the manga style (nothing against manga itself--I just dislike how completely it's taken over American comics) but I think your work is excellent.
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