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MSPaint does give a certain noobish quality to your work
I think that's what she's intending to do. Also I think that even though she can draw well, it's not fun to her to do it or something. Although it's ironic and irony is neat so it kinda balances itself out.

The last real drawing she did was 3 years ago and she didn't even finish it :o

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Yeah, what people are saying is that if you make that choice expect people to not even give it a second glance. It goes with the MSPaint territory.
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I tend to disagree with the claim that Castle_Builder gave nothing but good advice. But first about Peabody:

First my opinion about MS Paint: MS Paint was not created as an art tool. Which doesn't mean that it can't be used as an art tool. People use coffee for colouring, carve in wood, Paul Klee painted on hankerchiefs instead of on canvas and all in all, you have to be open-minded if you wanna be an artist. And punkers made good music not even knowing how to play them guitars.
Yes, Paint compared to Photoshop is a sledgehammer to carving tools, but doesn't the sculpture made with carving tools have it's appeal too?
MS has it's drawbacks is jagged line, limited palette and all, but it's just those limits that can attract some people. Just like some people draw with a mouse and still get beautiful results, MS paint requires more effort and resourcefullness, but it is possible to create nice things. If you don't believe, you should check out "Unicorn Jelly" and dare say that that artwork is putting anyone off. After all, Oekaki is one of the most popular ways of sharing art on internet and it matches MS Paint quality in most of boards.
I still reccomend everyone traditional tool unless I see a need in their concept for use of MS Paint.

Peabody, great stuff can be done with MS, but your art, even in MS, can use more work. I mentioned "Unicorn Jelly", and "Insanity for the poor" is mentioned, but your art isn't comparable with those. I am lured in here with the drama and with some claims that I find grossly untrue, so I can't check your comic right now (I checked it briefly earlier from the link on FF site) but it seems that you're still using minimum possibilities of Paint. Perhaps the thing you should do is asking people who had notable MS Paint comics for tips and advices, instead of asking generally.
There is only one strong reason why I think you should work with Photoshop or some other art programs, whether it is through your comic or on the side: MS still has limited possibilities for learning. The more you learn the better your art is, and the more control you have over it; The knowledge you gain in other programs or in drawing on paper, you can use in MS Paint later.
The point in place: The comic you posted done in Photoshop, still uses minimum of Photoshop possibilities and there isn't much more to be said about it except that it seeds more work and to keep learning to draw. That means, same thing as with Paint comic.
There is nothing worse for an artist than not improving himself, which is why you have to aim bettering your skills.


Now, back to Castle_Builder:
You said a lot of nonsence, made a lot of generalizations and put words in people's mouth that they never said.
FIRST ~ You a) ask for ways in which you can improve "anything" your words not mine and then b) say you are "not willing to change" which ultimately means that what advice you get is absolutely useless so really what you want is for people to kiss your @$$. So, in two words my greatest advice has to be, "grow up." Or at least be honest with your agenda.
He doesn't say he's not willing to change. He just says he's not willing to change the tool. Do you think that all art can be sublimed in the tool artist uses? No? In that case, your claim that he said he's not willing to change is false, isn't it?
Second: You conclude that he wants us to kiss his ass just from the fact that he doesn't want to change his tool? Dude, don't you think that's far-fetched? Even a professional psychoanalysist couldn't make a character profile based on one sentence. The fact is, you made a pressumption based on some cliches of artists that you got somewhere and you applied this cliche to Peabody. With his later posts he's proven that he is much more mature and open-minded than you gave him credits for. I haven't seen a proper apology from you.
SECOND ~ DON'T use mspaint. It looks like shit. It's an automatic turn off. Even if the writing is funny, take longer then 10 mins to lay out your comic. Unless this is just something "for you" and you "don't care" what other people think, which is what most people say when they get defensive about thier "art." And hey, that's fine, but seriously, there are thousands of web comics out there and most of them are really crappy. Yours just does not stand out.
He asks what he can change besides changing MS Pain and you advice him to chage MS Pains - thus your advice is totally useless, unneeded and unwanted. Makes me wonder why you posted it at all, unless if it's to make you look smart and superior to poor people who still use MS Paint.
Instead, you should consider why he uses Paint. What is it that he tries to achieve with it, since he obviously didn't pick that tool randomly. Perhaps his comic concept shouldn't work with less crude art? Perhaps he has a certain vision (like we all do) and MS Paint is the integral part of that vision?
Your advice isn't useful. It's something he's probably got a lot of the first advice from the stack. In your first post, you used rude words, with attitude of looking down at him. That won't make him take your advice seriosly, why should he take seriously an advice from a guy who can't be polite and who insults him rightout by presuming bad things about him?
And no offense "Kris X" but your stuff still looks jagged and choppy. You don't want to see the pixels of a circle. You want to see a circle not a bunch of squares that kind of end up looking like a circle when put together. THAT is the problem with mspaint. It's like cave wall paintings to a canvas and oils.
Why? Why do you presume everything has to be smooth and slick? If the effect that artist wanted to achieve is jagged circle, then, if he drew a jagged circle, he hit his point. Image is the mean of achieving certain effect needed for narrative and there is no rule that the desired effect can't be a jagged circle. And as for appeal, to some people even jagged circle has it's appeal, even if it doesn't for you.
There's an example in front of you: KrisX's slick character design clashes with the crude execution due to MS Paint and forms an interesting contrast. This contrast makes tension in her art and tension, as we know, least to a dynamic style. There, Pain is used as a mean of invention. There are thousands of smooth circles out there. Significantly less stylishly chopped circles.
And are you suggesting that cave paintings don't have artistic value? Because every art critic in the world will disagree with you.
I just don't understand how people can honestly sit as say it's a "style" choice etc. Bad artwork is bad artwork. Granted people have differing opinions and what not but ultimately mspaint is a BAD tool to use and not wanting to use a more effective program without having some sort of logical reason makes no sense to me.
Let me explain how crude or, as you call it, 'bad' artwork can be good:
For centuries, artists gained knowledge they used to make art more photo-realistic. After some point, around 19 century, they reached the point where this was not a valid goal for art (probably with invention of photography) and went in other direction. Most of 20 century was spent on making art cruder, simpler. Artists like Pikasso, Matisse and Dubuffet were researching primitive tribal art, art of children and even art of mentally ill. Why, you wonder. Because they believed that crude art is in closer contact with man's essence, his, let's say, soul. Tribal paintings were a product of tribes where civilisation didn't stand between man and nature. Kid drawings are art in which no learned technique stood in the way to honesty, naivety, and they were ever more direct. With every level of technical perfection gained, you lose something of your honesty, your initial inspiration. Therefore, artists who were already technical masters aimed to return to the state of crude drawing.
I am saying all this to explain that crude art does not equal bad art. That childish drawing can sometimes have more power than the art of a great craftsman. Using MS Paint can be an extention of that line of thinking. I am trying to explain that what seems like a bad artwork (if I may say, to the untrained eye) is sometimes simply not bad - just crude and simplified, which are some of reasons why it's bad.
(This is not reffering to Peabody's example. I am simply explaining why crude artwork can be good, because it seems like you asked that question).
When people ask for crits I tend to open the box on them because thats how I personally learn the most. Some people take offense because they take it personally. It's hard not to, as ones art IS personal, but I think you understand.
Diplomacy never hurt anybody. You can be diplomatic and still honest and direct, that's not too hard.
But you gave Peabody more than he asked. He asked for review and tips on him comic and you have him an unfair review of his character and also one rather subjective vision of art presented as a matter of fact.

Sorry if I am rough on you, I was sincirely not trying to match the tone of your first post in this thread.

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mmm this bagel has thoroughly pwned me

quick everyone, overwhelm this thread with MSPaint Hate so she'll start to draw for real! Either that or she'll hang herself, hahahaha

MMM!! <-- that was my tastebuds typing

edit: i finished eating the bagel. good things never last =/

also peabody is my LITTLE SISTER so stop calling her "he" it's weird =/

and mcd that post rocked =O
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Castle_Builder wrote: I like the example "christwriter" used and I think it fits.

Let me give you another one.

You want to color something:
You have Crayons
You have Berol Prismacolor markers

The FACT is, that at the end of the day the Prismacolor markers look the best. Now yes, style can be taken into account, but only so much. Even GREAT work with crayons looks childish and poor. Where as poor work with Prismacolor markers looks good. (yes there are exceptions but this is the generality)
that's bullshit, and i'm going to call you on it.
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tools do not make the artist. the worst artist can get photoshop, dip pens, bristol board, oils. Masters can work with raw pigment, crayons, and hell a twig in the sand. It just depends on the skill of the artist, not what they use. Some things USUALLY look better, but to say they DO is a fallacy and silly.

As to something pertaining to this topic, Peabodyreminds me of:
http://superfightfight.tk
as it is also paint based. His is a comic he has self imposed restraints on, i believe. Certain rules he wanted to go with.

With that said...I <3 Peabody.
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those crayon drawings = :o
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RA wrote:
With that said...I <3 Peabody.
After all these complaints about my comic being poorly drawn and not humourous, I'd just like to say a big thank you for the <3.
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MSPaint quality like Unicorn Jelly has become my new reason for living!
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I think that most webcomics find success based on the writing. I have not come across too many strips that wow me with the artwork, though many are very good. I don't think people should be ripping on anyone because they use mspaint. It can be made to look alright, and for people that can't afford or don't feel comfortable pirating something else, it may be the only choice.
I would never reject a comic based solely on the drawing tool involved and I think that castle_builder was too harsh in his criticism. Despite the rudimentary graphics, Peabody obviously does put some time and effort into his work, and should be judged accordingly.
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I would just like to say that if Mike Mignola used Crayolas his stuff would still be so good you would shit yourself. That is all.
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I read Peabody and I really really like it. The irreverent humor is really quite good and the art is adorable. I think that it really works in MS paint and it boggles my mind that people are getting down on you for it. If you're good at it, and you are, you can do your comic in whatever style you want. I recommend going back to your earlier comics and putting them in .gif format, so that they don't look so .jpeggy, and I think it would be cool to see some actual shading on peabody. Work at improving your art within your own framework.
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I agree; MSPaint is very limited, but that doesn't mean you can't do some pretty cool things with it. Like Ryuko said, Peabody would look a little better with shading. If you like using Paint, I suggest using solids to shade.

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RA wrote:
Castle_Builder wrote: I like the example "christwriter" used and I think it fits.

Let me give you another one.

You want to color something:
You have Crayons
You have Berol Prismacolor markers

The FACT is, that at the end of the day the Prismacolor markers look the best. Now yes, style can be taken into account, but only so much. Even GREAT work with crayons looks childish and poor. Where as poor work with Prismacolor markers looks good. (yes there are exceptions but this is the generality)
that's bullshit, and i'm going to call you on it.
http://www.jeffreyrobert.com/OriginalBeachscapeArt.html
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Wow. That man made those works of art out of crayon...? Mind-boggling work dude.

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I just read through all of Peabody and I thought it was adorable. :D
The only thing I could think of other then some light shading would be to maybe have add frames. It would add a little bit more organization to the comic.

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Kris X wrote:
Castle_Builder wrote:
I just don't understand how people can honestly sit as say it's a "style" choice etc. Bad artwork is bad artwork. Granted people have differing opinions and what not but ultimately mspaint is a BAD tool to use and not wanting to use a more effective program without having some sort of logical reason makes no sense to me.
If that's the way you think, I'm glad I haven't read your comic.

I believe if you're trying your hardest you're doing something, then there is NOTHING that can be labeled "bad artwork." It's people who talk like this that shoot down people in their beginnings who could possibly continue on as art gods.

MSPaint isn't the poor creator, it's the person working in it and more over it's a great program to start with. Sure there's other stuff, and I work in that now, but I wouldn't go out and label MSPaint work as BAD ARTWORK.

That is just ignorant and close-minded. You might be overlooking some great pieces. Being bias solves nothing.
On the one hand I agree with you. Opinions are relative and thus the definition of what is bad and good is relative. That is a VERY basic philosophical argument.

HOWEVER . . . it is also PC BS.

It's like calling a secretary an administrative assistant or a sterwardess a flight attendent. All you are really promoting is a "good" or "safe" environment where no one steps on anyones toes or says anything that might offend someone and at the end of the day all this does is create a society that will stagnate and never challenge itself to improve.

Ultimately how much you work on something has NOTHING to do with how good the artwork is.

Certainly reasonable people can disagree, but the fundemental principles upon which form and shadow and anatomy and perspective etc are based necessitate a distinction between something that flies in the face of those principles and something that seems to work in harmony with them.
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peabody wrote:Image

Original is here: http://peabody.comicgenesis.com/d/20050916.html
(note: I made that original when I was still saving things as jpg instead of bmp or png, so pretend it's slightly better image quality.)

I only did the first three panels, stopped halfway because it was so time consuming for just a test. I probably used gradients too much and made everything too shiny, but this is only maybe the second or third time I've ever used photoshop for anything but resizing images. I also just realized that I only put ground shadows in the first panel. Oops.

So, do you think photoshop makes it that much better?

(I am pretty inexperienced with photoshop, but it just seems like I'm making a simplistic image fancy to the point of being just.. wrong. Eh..)
I LIKE IT. I mean, in my opinion, it still has a long way to go before I'd put it on my favorites list, but I think this has a great deal more appeal.

Partly my advice is predicated on the underlying assumption that you have a desire for people to read your comic and enjoy it, and screwing around with photoshop even at a beginers level will produce results that have more widespread appeal.

The only reason this is important in my opinion is just by experience people that claim, they are making a style choice just because they personally like it and don't care what other people think don't last very long.

I'm not grouping you with these people but as I'm sure you know there are thousands of web comics out there and many are really crappy. and generally if people don't get possitive feedback they end up losing heart and eventually they just give up and stop because its hard to justify spending all that time on something if people don't like it.

Honestly, when it comes to criting art I have a hard love approach, but all I really want to see is young artists become successful.

In my opinion this photoshoped version is just more interesting and it makes me WANT to see the next panel to see what you did with it artistically.

And sorry for assuming you're a guy, as you're well aware these forums and web comics in general tend to be a sausage fest so it's an easy assumption to make . . .

Good luck.
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Ryuko wrote:I read Peabody and I really really like it. The irreverent humor is really quite good and the art is adorable. I think that it really works in MS paint and it boggles my mind that people are getting down on you for it. If you're good at it, and you are, you can do your comic in whatever style you want. I recommend going back to your earlier comics and putting them in .gif format, so that they don't look so .jpeggy, and I think it would be cool to see some actual shading on peabody. Work at improving your art within your own framework.
Thank you! A few others have said I need to work on adding more shading and reflections for a less 2-d look, and I will definitely be working much harder to improve that in the future.
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mcDuffies wrote:Now, back to Castle_Builder:
You said a lot of nonsence, made a lot of generalizations and put words in people's mouth that they never said.
FIRST ~ You a) ask for ways in which you can improve "anything" your words not mine and then b) say you are "not willing to change" which ultimately means that what advice you get is absolutely useless so really what you want is for people to kiss your @$$. So, in two words my greatest advice has to be, "grow up." Or at least be honest with your agenda.
He doesn't say he's not willing to change. He just says he's not willing to change the tool. Do you think that all art can be sublimed in the tool artist uses? No? In that case, your claim that he said he's not willing to change is false, isn't it?
I hate to say it but you must be liberal, and a fan of Michael Moore.

You can read my intro like black letter law and only hold to the technicalities of the EXACT words as writting in order (the Michael Moore approach)

OR

You can try to understand the MEANING behind the EXACT words. I don't think anyone that read Peabody's post and then mine missunderstood what I meant.

(as I mentioned later with my crayons analogy, there are exceptions to everything, you obviously are the exception to people haveing rational thought and basic reasoning skills)

(oh, and yes, for your own clarification, that last part there was MEANT to spurn you and instigate a heated response which I will subsequently ignore)
Second: You conclude that he wants us to kiss his ass just from the fact that he doesn't want to change his tool? Dude, don't you think that's far-fetched? Even a professional psychoanalysist couldn't make a character profile based on one sentence. The fact is, you made a pressumption based on some cliches of artists that you got somewhere and you applied this cliche to Peabody. With his later posts he's proven that he is much more mature and open-minded than you gave him credits for. I haven't seen a proper apology from you.
I believe I gave her credit for being more mature then I initially gave her credit for . . . so your point is?

Oh and cliche's, or generalities, or stereotypes, are called those things because they are more often true then not. And if you claim you don't make those sorts of judgments you are a liar.

(again for your edification, that there last part is not a generalization but a fact)

(damn I did it again didn't I :lol: )
SECOND ~ DON'T use mspaint. It looks like shit. It's an automatic turn off. Even if the writing is funny, take longer then 10 mins to lay out your comic. Unless this is just something "for you" and you "don't care" what other people think, which is what most people say when they get defensive about thier "art." And hey, that's fine, but seriously, there are thousands of web comics out there and most of them are really crappy. Yours just does not stand out.
He asks what he can change besides changing MS Pain and you advice him to chage MS Pains - thus your advice is totally useless, unneeded and unwanted. Makes me wonder why you posted it at all, unless if it's to make you look smart and superior to poor people who still use MS Paint.
Instead, you should consider why he uses Paint. What is it that he tries to achieve with it, since he obviously didn't pick that tool randomly. Perhaps his comic concept shouldn't work with less crude art? Perhaps he has a certain vision (like we all do) and MS Paint is the integral part of that vision?

Your advice isn't useful. It's something he's probably got a lot of the first advice from the stack. In your first post, you used rude words, with attitude of looking down at him. That won't make him take your advice seriosly, why should he take seriously an advice from a guy who can't be polite and who insults him rightout by presuming bad things about him?
Advice is a suggestion one is free to consider or dismiss. You really should take some english classes.

(GODS I haven't come this close to flaming in YEARS . . . is this even flaming? . . . I SWEAR this is the last instigating remark I will make.)

Oh . . . and just because YOU didn't find it useful or unecessary doesn't mean she OR SOMEONE ELSE who happens to be a lurker or just a member reading posts didn't. You really should stop projecting your own opinions and judgments on people.

(place irony here)
And no offense "Kris X" but your stuff still looks jagged and choppy. You don't want to see the pixels of a circle. You want to see a circle not a bunch of squares that kind of end up looking like a circle when put together. THAT is the problem with mspaint. It's like cave wall paintings to a canvas and oils.
Why? Why do you presume everything has to be smooth and slick? If the effect that artist wanted to achieve is jagged circle, then, if he drew a jagged circle, he hit his point. Image is the mean of achieving certain effect needed for narrative and there is no rule that the desired effect can't be a jagged circle. And as for appeal, to some people even jagged circle has it's appeal, even if it doesn't for you.
There's an example in front of you: KrisX's slick character design clashes with the crude execution due to MS Paint and forms an interesting contrast. This contrast makes tension in her art and tension, as we know, least to a dynamic style. There, Pain is used as a mean of invention. There are thousands of smooth circles out there. Significantly less stylishly chopped circles.
And are you suggesting that cave paintings don't have artistic value? Because every art critic in the world will disagree with you.
Again, I think most people got my point. Are you just looking for reasons to argue?
I just don't understand how people can honestly sit as say it's a "style" choice etc. Bad artwork is bad artwork. Granted people have differing opinions and what not but ultimately mspaint is a BAD tool to use and not wanting to use a more effective program without having some sort of logical reason makes no sense to me.
Let me explain how crude or, as you call it, 'bad' artwork can be good:
For centuries, artists gained knowledge they used to make art more photo-realistic. After some point, around 19 century, they reached the point where this was not a valid goal for art (probably with invention of photography) and went in other direction. Most of 20 century was spent on making art cruder, simpler. Artists like Pikasso, Matisse and Dubuffet were researching primitive tribal art, art of children and even art of mentally ill. Why, you wonder. Because they believed that crude art is in closer contact with man's essence, his, let's say, soul. Tribal paintings were a product of tribes where civilisation didn't stand between man and nature. Kid drawings are art in which no learned technique stood in the way to honesty, naivety, and they were ever more direct. With every level of technical perfection gained, you lose something of your honesty, your initial inspiration. Therefore, artists who were already technical masters aimed to return to the state of crude drawing.
I am saying all this to explain that crude art does not equal bad art. That childish drawing can sometimes have more power than the art of a great craftsman. Using MS Paint can be an extention of that line of thinking. I am trying to explain that what seems like a bad artwork (if I may say, to the untrained eye) is sometimes simply not bad - just crude and simplified, which are some of reasons why it's bad.
(This is not reffering to Peabody's example. I am simply explaining why crude artwork can be good, because it seems like you asked that question).
Bad art by definition is not good. Just as illegal aliens by definition do not belong in our country.

As for the rest . . . . . yes of course, but I'm not discussing history am I?
When people ask for crits I tend to open the box on them because thats how I personally learn the most. Some people take offense because they take it personally. It's hard not to, as ones art IS personal, but I think you understand.
Diplomacy never hurt anybody. You can be diplomatic and still honest and direct, that's not too hard.
But you gave Peabody more than he asked. He asked for review and tips on him comic and you have him an unfair review of his character and also one rather subjective vision of art presented as a matter of fact.
When you pussy foot around an issue people tend to fall asleep. If you slap them in the face with it they pay attention.

We each have different methods. At the end of the day though I am not a web troll who just calls people names and gets into fights. I give a critique. You might not like what I'm saying or how I'm saying it, but that is your prerogative of course. To each their own.
Sorry if I am rough on you, I was sincirely not trying to match the tone of your first post in this thread.
Yeah, OF COURSE I read this part last . . . I swear it wasn't there when I hit the "quote" button :wink: . . . oh well . . .

It's not a matter of matching my tone. I think you missed my points. In any case, thanks for the entertaining repartee. It's been amusing.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I ALSO just noticed you're a Mod. Good times.

In any case, those are just some thoughts. It wouldn't be a community if we all agreed. :D




EDIT: Oh and Peabody, sorry for turning your thread into the mess it kinda became. Wasn't my intention.
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starline wrote:I just read through all of Peabody and I thought it was adorable. :D
The only thing I could think of other then some light shading would be to maybe have add frames. It would add a little bit more organization to the comic.
Thanks. It's supposed to be mainly silly and random and cute.
I had been toying with the no-frames and I really like it, but I've been tending to make 10+ panel long comics lately and I see how it can easily get very disorganized. I think I'll stick with no-frames for the 1-5 panel comics and add frames for the longer ones. Then again, I've only been thinking of frames in terms of lines separating panels. I'll try out different kinds of ways to seperate panels, kind of like how "Boy on a Stick and Slither" does.

And yes, shading! Shading will be done.
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Re: Looking for some advice on how to improve my comic.

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RA wrote:
Castle_Builder wrote: I like the example "christwriter" used and I think it fits.

Let me give you another one.

You want to color something:
You have Crayons
You have Berol Prismacolor markers

The FACT is, that at the end of the day the Prismacolor markers look the best. Now yes, style can be taken into account, but only so much. Even GREAT work with crayons looks childish and poor. Where as poor work with Prismacolor markers looks good. (yes there are exceptions but this is the generality)
that's bullshit, and i'm going to call you on it.
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tools do not make the artist. the worst artist can get photoshop, dip pens, bristol board, oils. Masters can work with raw pigment, crayons, and hell a twig in the sand. It just depends on the skill of the artist, not what they use. Some things USUALLY look better, but to say they DO is a fallacy and silly.
Did you read the last part of my statement?
(yes there are exceptions but this is the generality)
And we aren't talking about masters are we?

Take a 13 year old kid and hand that kid a box of crayons to color with.

Take that same 13 year old kid and hand that kid a set of prismacolor pens to color with.

The drawing with the pens will look better BECAUSE of the tool used.

Now certainly photoshop is not as simple a tranasition and frankly it is a rather daunting program for people with no experience with it. I still remember fumbling around with it and am constantly learning new things.

Still . . .
Franklin P. Jones wrote:Honest criticism is hard to take, particularly from a relative, a friend, an acquaintance or a stranger.
Japanese Proverb wrote:Fix the problem, not the blame.

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