Inking like a painter

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So I'm in the process of re-thinking the way that I ink. Actually, it's probably more of an evolution, but I'm enjoying putting more tonality into my work. Creating soft edges. Letting shadowy areas melt into vagueness.

In short, I'm trying to bring a more painterly approach to my inking.

Here are the pencils to an upcoming <b>Athena Voltaire</b> cover:

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And here's how it looks inked:

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The entire piece is inked with a brush except for the four buttons on her jacket (which were outlined with a Pigma pen and a template. No grease pencil. No Prismacolor pencil. No wash.

All of the greys are either drybrush or a technique called split-brush, where (like drybrushing) the ink is mostly wiped away, then the hairs of the brush are pulled apart to create two clusters of brush. By lightly dragging the brush across the surface of the paper, it creates that double line that outlines the piller. At this resolution, it may not read as a doubl;e line, but that's okay; the soft focus edge of it still comes through nicely. It's a wonderful technique and I'm starting to get a handle on it!

I'm just so excited I had to share!

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That's a very spiffy inking job.
Must have taken a while to ink, no?
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to be able to do line art like that, I would kill an entire small nation... the same to ink... but to do BOTH with that type of skill, that's incredible. I have enough problems inking with my sharpie =p
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:o :o

*pauses to pick her jaw up off the floor*

Wow. VERY nice job. That has to be one of the best inking jobs I've seen.

Almost enough to get me to start hand-drawing it all again. (Almost, because I'm not that good and most likely never will be.)

Again. Wow.

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I'm in awe; your work is inspirational.

How long have you been in the webcomicking business?

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:o :o :o :o what size is that?

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Nice pic.

I would say you ink more like an etcher than a painter. A painting would be more gestural with looser brushwork. There's be more evidence that this was a drawing. With yours, everything's very precise and detailed, and the layers of darkness mimic the stages etching, allowing the important foreground bits to get super dark and defines while the background is fuzzier and lighter. It's very impressive, particularly with a brush.

I don't quite understand the technique, though, in how it differs from dry brush and what advantages it has over it.
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That's excellent inking. I can't really offer any advice on how you can improve, seeing as how my jaw has shattered through the floor and is currently resting gently on the TV set in the room below mine.
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Steve Bryant wrote: I'm just so excited I had to share!
Whoa. And here I thought was doing well by picking up a brush. I hadn't realized there was so much you could do with it.

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Oh my sweet God, that is awesome. You started out excellent when I first because familiar with you work but this is just the tops.
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Wow thats... But he... You cant... I just... Love... Hate... Clouds...

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yeahduff wrote:I would say you ink more like an etcher than a painter. A painting would be more gestural with looser brushwork.
You mean something like this?

(Ok this a bad sample, because the leg is wonky, and it was one of those quickies I bumped out during those pirate vs ninja threads:

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The effect I was trying to achieve was something along the lines of chinese brushpainting, so I tried to convey the feeling of lots of energy, instead of accuracy in the strokes. It's sort of watercolour-rish, where you suggest detail instead of defining it.

But that inking is awesome, Steve. Wow.
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Yes. With a painting I'd expect the strokes to be much more looser and flowy. How exactly did you ink before?

And, as with everyone else, I think it's simply sublime. In a Jason and the Argonauts kind of way.

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You know... Looking through your stuff there is one comment I could make in that your characters faces could be a bit more expressive. But that's really nitpicking... It's like saying something is a 9.5 but could be a 10.

Either way damn man! Are you selling books?
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Post by TheSuburbanLetdown »

Positively wicked inking man. I especially like the the skulls on them skeletons. But especially the woman's jacket. It's already been said, but its not really painterly looking, but damn it's fine job.
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Kirb wrote:That's a very spiffy inking job.
Must have taken a while to ink, no?
Thanks, Kirb...actually, thanks to everyone for the kind words on this piece. It took about 12 hours to ink it. Usually it takes me between 6 and 8 hours to ink a page (10 at the outside most), so this one was pretty labor-intensive.
Keffria wrote:How long have you been in the webcomicking business?
I've been illustrating professionally since 1989, mostly RPGs and stuff like that. I started trying to break into print comics in 2000 and have been doing <b>Athena Voltaire</b>, my webcomic, since September of 2002.
Smight wrote: what size is that?
It's on 11" x 17" bristol board with a live area of 10.5" x 15.5" or so.
yeahduff wrote:I would say you ink more like an etcher than a painter. A painting would be more gestural with looser brushwork. There's be more evidence that this was a drawing. With yours, everything's very precise and detailed, and the layers of darkness mimic the stages etching, allowing the important foreground bits to get super dark and defines while the background is fuzzier and lighter. It's very impressive, particularly with a brush.
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear in my definition of "painterly." I was thinking more in terms of applying painterly concepts like soft edges, a central focus and other areas fading into less defined softer focus, etc. Again more of applying a certain painting concept rather than applying technique.

The technical application definitely owes a bit to etching, as well as pen and ink work. I've been studying <i>Franklin Booth: Painter with a Pen</i> by John Flesks and trying to apply some of his hatching techniques. Lots of bold clusters and varying line weights to achieve some of those painterly qualities.
yeahduff wrote: I don't quite understand the technique, though, in how it differs from dry brush and what advantages it has over it.


I don't know that split-brush is necessarily a <i>different</i> technique than drybrushing; I see it as a sub-category. I applied the following techniques in the piece:

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Phalanx wrote: You mean something like this?


This is a great example of applying painting technique to one's drawing. Everything is still defined by a holding line but graduated tones give the form weight and a sense of mass.
Mr.Bob wrote:Yes. With a painting I'd expect the strokes to be much more looser and flowy. How exactly did you ink before?


Again, I don't want to bog it down into a symantic discussion, as there are a <i>million</i> interpretations about what can make a drawing more or less painterly. Hopefully, I've clarified what I was going for. Me no good with words...me draw pictures :roll:

As far as how I usually ink, the main figure still has a lot in common with my normal approach: a traditional comics line. I'm just trying to add a few more arrows to my quiver.
chibiartstudios wrote:You know... Looking through your stuff there is one comment I could make in that your characters faces could be a bit more expressive. But that's really nitpicking... It's like saying something is a 9.5 but could be a 10.


Tell me about it! Expressive faces are <i>hard</i>! There are so many subleties that a single misplaced brushstroke can turn an innocent-looking child into an axe murderer. Slowly, I'm starting to get it. It's a helluva process, but what else do ya got to do with the rest of your life, right? :-?
chibiartstudios wrote:Are you selling books?


Not yet. The cover is for a proposal that we'll be sending out to print publishers that we hope will yield us a deal. Until then, the comics can be found at AthenaVoltaire.com and at ModernTales.com .

Again, thank you to Kirb, tarotreader3, christwriter, Keffria, Smight, Humbug, yeahduff, Driving Without Pants, faub, Stephen Henderson-Grady, chibiartstudios, Ping, Mr.Bob and PeppermintAfterlife. Thanks for not only taking the time to look at my stuff, but also to comment on it. It's a nice feeling to be welcomed in a forum of one's peers.

--Steve

PS: Anyone wanna send me the code so that by button will show up as a line?
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Steve Bryant wrote:It's a nice feeling to be welcomed in a forum of one's peers.
To be a considered and called a peer by someone with your scope of artistic talent is both a compliment so overwhelming, and a revelation of such humble character that one cannot help admiring you.
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Post by Faub »

I unfortunately do not have access to a scanner today but I tried something similar (the dry brushing and so on). The results are ... less than adequate by comparison.

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Well... nothing I could add that isn't said already...

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