are folds necesary?

DemonLamma · Post by **DemonLamma** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:32 pm

so i think im getting better...

anyway, i was wondering if with style like this i would need folds. because I still just cant seem to understand folds.

JeremyW · Post by **JeremyW** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:42 pm

It's entirely up to you. Try it out and see how it looks.

TheBladeRoden2 · Post by **TheBladeRoden2** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:31 pm

Folds are the devil

Fiore42 · Post by **Fiore42** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:28 am

DemonLamma: the cloth in that particular drawing is looking pretty good. And yeah, folds are the devil. But then, if you generally cut folds out, you lose a lot of dynamism--things just look more static. You lose a way of showing underlying structure--a body under a shirt, instead of just a shirt.

And really, as far as I'm concerned, there's almost nothing that compares to drawing some clothing, and being able to say "Damn, that is one <i>fine</i> shirt. Look at those folds!" ^_^

Dutch! · Post by **Dutch!** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:32 am

Struth, if it needs folds, it doesn't need many.

Tarotreader3 · Post by **Tarotreader3** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:20 am

how you've got it there looks pretty good.

Wp · Post by Wp » Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:53 am

You don't need a lot of folds. Only where they count, like joints and dynamic motion. A few lines here and there do wonders for places where clothing bunches up (rolled up sleeves for example).

Chibiartstudios · Post by **Chibiartstudios** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:19 pm

Untill you have a firm understanding of how folds in clothing work I'd say include them. I've seen many cases of people drawing characters without them and drawing them well. However these people also knew how folds worked and as a result knew how to omit them without making the characters look off.

At your level of artistic ability I think that omiting those folds in clothing would keep your art from looking it's best. I'd recomend drawing about 10 pictures of real life featuring clothes as that would help you alot in being able to draw cloth well. The best way to learn how to draw folds is sadly to draw them. And I know, they ARE a the devil.

That asside, I think you want to cut out the folds to reduce work. This is the wrong atitude to take. Try and put as much work in as possible. Not as little!

Bessides. Well placed folds always look better in a more serious style.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:19 pm

In order to get folds to look good you need to understand the underlying structure of the body because that's what makes the folds.

http://artcorner.org/tutorials/lessons/folds/laine/
The art corner has a nice folds tutorial.

Kris X · Post by **Kris X** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:17 pm

Faub has a link for eeeeeverything.

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:21 pm

Is he the fabled Linkmeister?

DemonLamma · Post by **DemonLamma** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:29 pm

ok, so i should study folds any way. thanks. it cant really hurt can it.

Driving Without Pants · Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:29 pm

For now, I'd just limit yourself to basic lines at points of articulation, perhaps a few elsewhere to indicate bagginess. Less is more... a lot of people who can't do folds go overboard on them and it looks like there are fireworks exploding in the characters' armpits. Study photographs and see how clothing actually ripples, and slowly work on it until you're ready to go full-out with them.

Chibiartstudios · Post by **Chibiartstudios** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:46 pm

I on the otherhand say draw them all

. That way you get into the practice of drawing them as opposed to not drawing them. Cutting back on a habit of drawing too many is easier than adding more when you are used to drawing none. Trust me on this one.

DemonLamma · Post by **DemonLamma** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:52 pm

ok heres a new character... i think im going to get burned at the stake for this. anyway, i tried a bit of folding in the bottom of the dress(since it would look really crappy without it)

Steve Hogan · Post by **Steve Hogan** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:09 am

Hard to tell, she's so petite there's not much room for folds!

Chibiartstudios · Post by **Chibiartstudios** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:50 am

Out of curiosity how big was that on the page. If you want to try drawing folds drawing bigger usually helps. Try drawing characters so they fill the page. It's what helps ME get details I want in.

As for that one, it's cute and all but more detail could be used. Also you could really benifit from inking.

DemonLamma · Post by **DemonLamma** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:49 pm

chibiartstudios wrote:Out of curiosity how big was that on the page. If you want to try drawing folds drawing bigger usually helps. Try drawing characters so they fill the page. It's what helps ME get details I want in.

As for that one, it's cute and all but more detail could be used. Also you could really benifit from inking.

wow, why did drawing the character to fill the page never cross my mind? o.O

and as for inking, i do have inked versions of them, but i felt like putting the non-inked versions up.

Phact0rri · Post by **Phact0rri** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:30 pm

faub wrote:In order to get folds to look good you need to understand the underlying structure of the body because that's what makes the folds.

http://artcorner.org/tutorials/lessons/folds/laine/
The art corner has a nice folds tutorial.

*confesses his love to Faub once again*

Ian Moulding · Post by **Ian Moulding** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:06 pm

Reduction is your friend. Draw the images in whatever size you feel comfortable, then reduce them by 10%/30%/50%/Whatever% after scanning. Just make sure the dialogue is still legible, or don't add it until this point. Then sit back and look smug when people say "Wow, how do you do all that fine detail work?"