Comics that are up for critique..mine?

Superhappygoodtimes · Post by **Superhappygoodtimes** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:50 am

Wow, good subjects for this section are hard to come up with.. I liked the French one... I went for something a bit more abstract, something which hints at a deeper question:

<fake philosophising>

Are these comics mine? Or am I simply the vassel through which they penetrate into this world. Or maybe I was born a rubber duck but underwent Changes Later in Life.

</fake philosophising>

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that I would like some opinions and impressions. I know I don't have many up yet, but I really wanted to get some opinions before I continue.
Justice crew is going to be the main focus, with some other odd things I think of thrown in every once in a while...

So anyway tell me what your impressions are, I'm completely open so hack away.

Thanks.

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CodeGuy · Post by **CodeGuy** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:38 am

I don't really get it.

I think I'm having trouble because there is so little facial expression. Even simple faces can have expressions, so maybe if you had a few more close shots of the characters.

I'm not really qualified to critique the art.

The story is a little to random to judge so far. I'll take another look when you have 10 or so comics. That will make it a lot easier to judge. Right now I'm a little confused by what's going on.

Superhappygoodtimes · Post by **Superhappygoodtimes** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:47 pm

Yeah, I'll try to work in more facial stuff in upcoming strips, but it's hard to make a flying can of corn emote you know? heh, anyway, what aspect of the story don't you get? I guess it is because this is going to be a sort of prologue type thing that it may be confusing. I'm estimating that the prologue will be about 10 strips or so, introducing all the characters and giving some insight into their different attributes. After that I may give them names (I haven't been able to come up with any suitable names- other than The Boxer-Clad Crotch) Anyway, thanks for the comments, I'll certainly take them into consideration as I'm drawing future strips (like in about 5 minutes).

Prism · Post by **Prism** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:52 pm

Wow, this is, in my opinion, bad.
The name itself, "superhappygoodtimes", screams 'lame' at me. The art is terribly crude. Alot of it doesn't make any sense or make me want to continue reading. The only good thing I can say is that the fish in a balloon filled with water is kinda interesting/neat idea.

This is not a comic for me, obviously.

> anyway, what aspect of the story don't you get?

Story? Holy shit~

EDIT: Because of how blunt I'm being, I'd like to add that I'm sure you're a perfectly nice human being, I just don't care for your comic 8)

CodeGuy · Post by **CodeGuy** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 5:02 pm

I guess I'd have to say that a flying can of corn just isn't a good character. Total randomness seems kinda cool, but actually trying to use it in a story has problems. Basically, if a character can't emote, maybe you shouldn't use that character.

There's just so much weird stuff going on that I don't know what to focus on. That makes it hard to see a story.

Superhappygoodtimes · Post by **Superhappygoodtimes** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 5:58 pm

Prism: Eh... What I draw won't appeal to everyone, but thanks for giving me your thoughts.
Oh, and heh, the name was conceived in an orgy of sleep deprivation and anime... basically imagine a unnaturally peppy japanese man in a business suit saying it and it becomes less lame.. at least in my mind..
Anyway, I understand, no offense taken.

As for the corn, I've grown rather fond of him. I'm aware of the confusion factor due to the nature of the stuff I draw.. Therefore I kind of state what's going on pretty explicitly every once and a while...

Thanks all.

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:41 am

I must admit that this is not my kinda thing. When at first I glanced at it, I was thinking, "oh my god, what a total suck factory." But, to my chagrin, there's actually a certain charm to what you're doing. It's like it's just dumb enough to work. It worries me that you have a story, let alone a prologue, because how much character depth can a flying can of corn have? Of course the art sucks, but something about the first page of the Justice Crew is almost perfect. It has to do with the coloring, because those black and white ones are pure crap. And I hate to admit, the Boxer-Clad Crotch battling an insidious alliance of militant dentists just appeals to my inner fourteen year old smart ass in a serious way. I completely understand Prism's reaction. She's right: This sucks. But I find myself oddly intrigued. I don't know if I can bring myself to come back, but this was kinda cool in a doodlings-in-the-margins-of-my-art-history-notes kinda way.
Don't hate me.
Anyway, you should come back when you have more stuff.

Superhappygoodtimes · Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:48 pm

Yeah, I think that things will make more sense when there are more comics, however, I was never going for deep character development or anything like that. It appears that people either have a extremely negative reaction to my work or really like it.
What my question is is this: How is it that my art is so distasteful to everyone when there are several other comics up here that have art that is, in my opinion, far less painful to look at. I'm not really an artist, nor do I pretend to be, but there have been several comics posted for critique here that had some pretty underwhelming mspaint art, or were just a lot of muddy pencil drawings.

Again, I'm not taking offense to anyone here, as I'm just starting out, but I'm wondering why my style of drawing is particularly offensive?

CodeGuy · Post by **CodeGuy** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 1:50 pm

Simple. I don't like those comics either.

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:09 pm

superhappygoodtimes wrote:I'm wondering why my style of drawing is particularly offensive?

It's not. There ARE far worse out there. But let's not kid ourselves here, you're not Hayoa Miyazaki. Some people are going to be turned off by it, while others are going to revel in the simplicity of it all. I like your use of color, and the style, be it because of ineptitude or concious choice, seems to match the bizarre occurrences in your comic. Expect people to dislike what you're doing, because it has the feeling that it requires no skill. Some of us around here (including me, especially me) are kinda elitist, and if you're not pushing your drawing, we think it sucks. Anyone who bashes your comic for bad art certainly has a point. But I like FillerBunny a lot, one of the worst drawn things to be printed. If you're funny and your style, or lack thereof, matches the humor, then you'll be all right.

Superhappygoodtimes · Post by **Superhappygoodtimes** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:18 pm

I totally agree, (by the way, my style is because of ineptitude, I've never really been much of an artist). I just found "one over zero" and read through the entire archive of about 400 comics, what a great comic. I personally don't like to read the long dramatic comics many are so fond of (The Jaded was the only one I really could get through).
I AM however working on my art, and I feel that I'm making progress, but I'm not ready to start drawing comics like that, since it would take me about four months to finish a comic that way. I do intend a simplistic style, but I agree that it lacks refinement.
I have a great respect for all the good artists here, and I feel that your opinions are warranted. However, I'mprobably not going to start drawing highly detailed characters and producing long dramatic stories anytime soon because that's not what I appreciate in a comic.
I thank you all for voicing your opinions, and while many of them were hard to hear (I DO put a lot of effort into my comic, whether or not it shows) I appreciate that you took the time to give them. I'm going to keep producing comics, and working to refine my style.

"Peace out"

Brockway · Post by **Brockway** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:37 pm

Your comic is crazy. Its a little freaky. And mildly disturbing (I've seen worse, lol). And its pretty funny, in a disturbing way.

Superhappygoodtimes · Post by **Superhappygoodtimes** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:34 pm

golly thanks Brockway... there is a ray of hope!

ZOMBIE USER 17021 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 17021** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:44 pm

Keep 'em coming. I may feel obligated to give you some fanart soon.

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:19 am

Hmm, personally I don't find your comic as bad as its made out to be. The art isn't the best I've seen, but it certainly is not the worst and at least it doesn't make my eyes bleed, like some others.

I don't know about everyone else, but the weirdness of it all is ok with me. Goldfish and flying corn cans aside, the story is actually kind of interesting in a bizarre, oddball sort of way. It's not for everyone, but I can see some people reading it.

superhappygoodtimes wrote:I totally agree, (by the way, my style is because of ineptitude, I've never really been much of an artist).

I think the main problem with it is the weak shaky lines. There's nothing wrong with simplicity but I should stress if you want to do a simple style, geometry is very important, because everything has a simple geometrc shape. Maybe if you used shorter, firmer strokes it'd look better. Just a suggestion, anyway.

I personally don't like to read the long dramatic comics many are so fond of (The Jaded was the only one I really could get through).

Whoa. I don't know whether to feel honoured or wonder if it's because I haven't that many pages yet, but oh well, I won't complain...Thanks!

I AM however working on my art, and I feel that I'm making progress, but I'm not ready to start drawing comics like that, since it would take me about four months to finish a comic that way. I do intend a simplistic style, but I agree that it lacks refinement.

I have a great respect for all the good artists here, and I feel that your opinions are warranted. However, I'mprobably not going to start drawing highly detailed characters and producing long dramatic stories anytime soon because that's not what I appreciate in a comic.

Not everyone likes semi-realistic art or dramatic storylines either. sometimes we want funny and wacky stories that make us laugh. Drawing your coming will bring out your style if you stick to it long enough. Hey, it did with mine, anyway.

The most important thing- do it as you planned it. Stick to your guns. You can bend a little artwise and storytelling wise, but don't change the important things like the theme and story just because you're afraid someone won't like it.

I thank you all for voicing your opinions, and while many of them were hard to hear (I DO put a lot of effort into my comic, whether or not it shows) I appreciate that you took the time to give them. I'm going to keep producing comics, and working to refine my style.

Go for it! And good luck!

ZOMBIE USER 14998 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 14998** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 4:02 pm

I agree with the comment that the fish-in-a-balloon is a neat idea, particularly when he drags his heavy ordinance at the end of the string.

Maybe you could give the corn some (mechanical?) eyes and/or a mouth? Like the fish, it's an interesting idea, but it needs work. If you really wanted to be weird, you could make the corn some sort of hive-mind, with each kernal being a member of the collective...

One very minor art nitpick; your "back" gif should be cleaned up; the "upper hole" on the "B" should be white, not red as it currently is.

Superhappygoodtimes · Post by **Superhappygoodtimes** » Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:05 pm

Wow, thanks Phalanx, that was very helpful, I've started drawing a lot more, so I guess with time things will get less shaky. It's very difficult for me to draw things from different angles so I'm trying that.
I'm not quite sure where I'm going with the corn right now, the but geoduck's idea sounds plausible.

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