Proportions for charatcer bios.

[ZippyDSMlee]

While I am not into comics at this time I have some of the same issues any detailed "artist" may run into, I drool well enough along for most of my trains of thought but when it comes to female proportions the drool runs out after taking a header into a brick wall, once the muses go away I become lost, plus I can't find any good refracne material.

heres my main character bio I think I am 90% done with.

Lord of power
A.K.A: Power Lord, Lord of Power, PL, Stranger, Wonderer
Real Name: Unknown
Substitute name: Power Lord, Lord of Power, PL, Stranger, Wonderer
Age: Appears to be in his mid to late 20's but his age is unknown,he acts half his apparent age to put people off.
Sex: Male (even tho he dodges women.)
Chest:49
Waist: 39-49 (tummy overlaps by 3-6 inches)
Hight: 6'1
Weight: 200ish slightly overweight
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Personality: Happy go lucky depressive he can be odd in a silly or gloomy sort of way doing what he can for others without getting to involved, he has bouts of depression of losing himself in his own grief that can force amnesic episodes on him and send him to a random part of creation to relearn, rest or merely heal.
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Appearance: A average not to ugly not to plain looking white male with a sight beard or in need of a shave, fav outfit is jeans, belt, random short sleeve shirt, brown trench coat and a simple fedora, On his left forearm you can see the tattoo of 5 orbs of power, sometimes he wears a matching gauntlet of power to funnel energy and control .
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Settings/Bio: Starting out in a “real world” setting he finds his destiny and then is flung to fantasy world to learn what he now is the moving to the universe where sci fi and fantasy mingle most intimately, there he sees the forces of light home worlds and trains under light forces stern watch with the aid of the collimation of Lightness’s wit, humor and wisdom the Dragon of light that walks creation as a old man in a cloak with reptilian features, the old perverted one tries his best to lighten the degrading situations before the Lord of Power leaves the universe to face the confirmation of his fate.
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Powers: The lord of power is basically a reality mage able to bend reality itself to weave the fabric of reality and copy spells, skills and abilities in fact using his power is so he is tied to the flow and hum of the universe which can take a toll of both mind and soul so instead of dabbling in reality bending directly he focuses strictly on spells, skills and abilities if he dabbles to much in sewing the fabrics of reality he’ll lose his mind like all those who bear the title “Lord of power”, this spurns him to create gadgets to regulate and channel his powers through.

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Weapons: a drunken master of most weapons he takes to 2 weapon types after he settles into his abilities, driven to use them because he needs to balance his expansive power since he finds it cumbersome to use his power directly even through spells and chanting to assist focus.

Both have multiple uses one is a high energy sword a simple if not cheap looking katana like sword with a wooden exterior, unsheathed it can be used to bash/cut and block and fire off energy in controlled bursts, beams and even guided shots, unsheathed it can release mass amounts of power for high powered attacks or to protect or heal those around him the first few versions of it tend to fall apart because they cannot handle the energies he’s putting though them, eventually the sword will be casted with a power engine that holds massive amounts of light energy which he tries to use carefully., he wears the sword either in his coat, on his belt, over his back with a invisible string gimmick, or summons it by his side ala voltron/anime pull a sword out of the air gimmick depending on the state of development the sword is wrap in rags to conceal or hold in power.

The other is a brown staff that can extend into various chain like extensions for binding range attacks and whip like attacks, it also holds a hidden scythe blade that can lock forward making a spear like weapon, with each incarnation of the staff it grows darker in color from brown to red hues darkening a few times into solid black eventually becoming a weapon of darkness to bind and decimate being of darkness for a piece of his sanity, the darker the weapon the more of a will of its own it has seeking lust or pain on its own but never leaving from the sight of its cursed master, he carries it compressed as a 8 inch stick in a pocket, he also can wrap it around his left forearm like with the sword depending on the state of development the sword is wrap in rags to conceal or hold in power or merely force the thing to rest while it constricts and causes suffering to the arm to sate its dark thirst.

Yes I relasize a bit on the chubby side, but I want chubby but not fat like me
but this is not such a problem, I am trying to gather info for one of the main female characters in my fiction, 6 foot tall slight amazon mid sized chest hips balance out the figure in just a slight bottom heavy way, I been looking at reconditioned porn stars (like Tera Patrick for saint row 2 http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?t=4950)
Strange or sad the proportions click with the image I have in mind for my character its not perfect but at least its a start.

I haz the near complete bio for her up hidden on my wordpress site, but it lacks her proportions but gives insight on her style and personality.
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/writin ... its/sandy/

Also any resource to fiddle with character designs and what not would be good, as I haz ALOT of crap in my head to get out.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=68738

[Metruis]

Whenever people post measurements for characters I admit I really just roll my eyes, there's no need for that. Weight, height. For me, my characters get descriptions about like so: tall, skinny guy with long blue hair. Really short girl who looks very much like a boy, brown hair, grayish paler skin. What you wrote here...

6 foot tall slight amazon mid sized chest hips balance out the figure in just a slight bottom heavy way

...Is an entirely reasonable description and easier for an artist to work with or anyone reading who just wants to imagine the character.

Not measurements. The measurements you gave for your guy give me nothing. It wasn't til you said 'slightly chubby' that I was able to form a mental image of his build. Weight, for example... if the character is very muscular they'll be heavy, your weight for your guy there puts him at an entirely reasonable build for his height if he's worked out at all. If he works out, he'd be skinny at that height. Or he could be. Bone structure also plays a role in this. I'm 180 pounds, short, and I don't look obese because I have a very heavy bone structure AND I have muscle build. I look pretty chubby, but not nearly as large as my mom looks at the same weight--because she has a very light build. I look more like I work out a lot. Like a dwarf, even.

So, uh, unless you're making life sized models for your women, you really don't need measurements. o_O If you're giving it to someone else, they'd get a better mental image from "she's a tall, stately woman who looks a bit like a reconditioned porn star, which means she's a perfect, idealistic men's fantasy women" or something like that. Seriously. o_O

So, you wrote.

Sex: Female
Chest:
Bust:
Waist:
Height: 6.0
Weight: 180?

180 for her height would be a reasonably healthy weight, if she worked out a lot. If she didn't work out a lot and had a light bone structure, she'd be leaning towards chubby. As I have tall female friends, I can tell you at that height, 140 would be really skinny, she wouldn't have very large boobs and she'd have very little muscle. If you want boobs, that adds weight because boobs weigh something, seeing as they're fat. If you want her muscular, that'll burn boobs so she'll have a smaller cup size, most female athletes have an A or a B cup. Bone structure can modify weight too. I tend to make my elves weigh less than humans but also more breakable than humans. Dwarves--keeping with the fantasy strain here--are naturally larger built.

So what would I suggest for measurements... let's keep this whole male fantasy girl going on here. C-36 bra size (that means around her bust, it's 39 inches and around her ribs it's 36 inches), 5'11 is still absurdly tall for a woman and it's ridiculously hard to get shoes at that height, she'd probably be getting size 10, 11 women's shoes or men's shoes, even if she's really skinny--let's say she's in shape but not athletic, she'd probably be 160 pounds or so for a healthy, but well built weight, and 150 for really skinny, 170-180 pounds if she works out a lot or she's tall and chubby. At that height, fat for a woman would probably be 190+... waist measurements, I'm not sure, it'd depend on how you're structuring her.

Since you're saying mid-sized AND Amazon... I'd go with the 180 pounds, works out, so she'd probably have an A or B cup--that means to add one or two inches to her bust measurement respectively... and I'm still not sure about the waist size.

If you're trying to get an artist to draw it, though, use adjectives, not numbers.

[Dreamaniaccomic]

Just a small suggestion here, but make an effort at proper grammar. I know I sound like a language-nazi because of this, but I find it much easier to understand what a character is like when I can understand the sentence describing said character.
[quote="ZippyDSMlee"]... Happy go lucky depressive... [/quote="ZippyDSMlee]
A perfect example. Is he both at the same time? Do they cancel each other out? Does he have multiple personalities?
Personality is just as important for an artist as it is a writer; it governs facial expressions, stance, overall body placement, etc.
Clean it up like you would for an english teacher, and you'll be more likely to find an artist.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Just a small suggestion here, but make an effort at proper grammar. I know I sound like a language-nazi because of this, but I find it much easier to understand what a character is like when I can understand the sentence describing said character.

... Happy go lucky depressive... [/quote="ZippyDSMlee]
A perfect example. Is he both at the same time? Do they cancel each other out? Does he have multiple personalities?
Personality is just as important for an artist as it is a writer; it governs facial expressions, stance, overall body placement, etc.
Clean it up like you would for an english teacher, and you'll be more likely to find an artist.

I am throughly learning disabled 30 something, grammar is elusive to me, the best I can do is go with what I got until something "better" comes along, by the time I hammer and tnt my words into "something" I am either left with ash or a blocky mess rarely is it grammaticly "sane", and after years of struggling with words I have come to the point to say "screw it" I will never be prefect or near perfect, I am me let the world get over it, if you do not have the reading comperhention to read through the alphabet soup you're probably better off not reading it LOL.(not saying this directly to you or anyone its just a feeling I have formed over the years)

I take what I can from criticism and work as best as I can on it but without money for "learnings" to further assist me in polishing my skills I am SOL so let the world be damned here comes zippy

[Dreamaniaccomic]

Sorry. Um, thats all I can think of...
I mean I have my own problems, mainly that I can't concentrate on anything long enough to get it OOH A BIRDY!

[ZippyDSMlee]

Whenever people post measurements for characters I admit I really just roll my eyes, there's no need for that. Weight, height. For me, my characters get descriptions about like so: tall, skinny guy with long blue hair. Really short girl who looks very much like a boy, brown hair, grayish paler skin. What you wrote here...

6 foot tall slight amazon mid sized chest hips balance out the figure in just a slight bottom heavy way

...Is an entirely reasonable description and easier for an artist to work with or anyone reading who just wants to imagine the character.

Not measurements. The measurements you gave for your guy give me nothing. It wasn't til you said 'slightly chubby' that I was able to form a mental image of his build. Weight, for example... if the character is very muscular they'll be heavy, your weight for your guy there puts him at an entirely reasonable build for his height if he's worked out at all. If he works out, he'd be skinny at that height. Or he could be. Bone structure also plays a role in this. I'm 180 pounds, short, and I don't look obese because I have a very heavy bone structure AND I have muscle build. I look pretty chubby, but not nearly as large as my mom looks at the same weight--because she has a very light build. I look more like I work out a lot. Like a dwarf, even.

So, uh, unless you're making life sized models for your women, you really don't need measurements. o_O If you're giving it to someone else, they'd get a better mental image from "she's a tall, stately woman who looks a bit like a reconditioned porn star, which means she's a perfect, idealistic men's fantasy women" or something like that. Seriously. o_O

So, you wrote.

Sex: Female
Chest:
Bust:
Waist:
Height: 6.0
Weight: 180?

180 for her height would be a reasonably healthy weight, if she worked out a lot. If she didn't work out a lot and had a light bone structure, she'd be leaning towards chubby. As I have tall female friends, I can tell you at that height, 140 would be really skinny, she wouldn't have very large boobs and she'd have very little muscle. If you want boobs, that adds weight because boobs weigh something, seeing as they're fat. If you want her muscular, that'll burn boobs so she'll have a smaller cup size, most female athletes have an A or a B cup. Bone structure can modify weight too. I tend to make my elves weigh less than humans but also more breakable than humans. Dwarves--keeping with the fantasy strain here--are naturally larger built.

So what would I suggest for measurements... let's keep this whole male fantasy girl going on here. C-36 bra size (that means around her bust, it's 39 inches and around her ribs it's 36 inches), 5'11 is still absurdly tall for a woman and it's ridiculously hard to get shoes at that height, she'd probably be getting size 10, 11 women's shoes or men's shoes, even if she's really skinny--let's say she's in shape but not athletic, she'd probably be 160 pounds or so for a healthy, but well built weight, and 150 for really skinny, 170-180 pounds if she works out a lot or she's tall and chubby. At that height, fat for a woman would probably be 190+... waist measurements, I'm not sure, it'd depend on how you're structuring her.

Since you're saying mid-sized AND Amazon... I'd go with the 180 pounds, works out, so she'd probably have an A or B cup--that means to add one or two inches to her bust measurement respectively... and I'm still not sure about the waist size.

If you're trying to get an artist to draw it, though, use adjectives, not numbers.

I understand alot of what your saying but I like details(when i can think of them) and the voices demand certain things be done and wont let it go untill its don 0-o

My female character has an artificial body its going to weigh alil more than a "normal human and she just demands a proportion boost because it falls in line with her crazy character, I still need to emphasize her "look" ,fit but not a body builder with a minimum of hard lines I guess says it, I know its somewhat silly to go with detailed proportions (check out anime characters proportions and your eyes will roll...oh teh "pretty" lulz)

Mmm I have done more digging just using anything with detailed measurements as a base, Tera Patrick wiki page page has her proportions, shes 5.9 and the proportions match mostly with my characters
http://kotaku.com/5029089/porn-starlet- ... ints-row-2

and yes I know woefuly disproportionate, but if we take the porn stars "reconditioned" figure and reconfig it from 36-24-34 to say 39-28-38 on a full 6 foot "simi large" frame you get a large chest on a larger than normal waist with hips to accommodate the extra load, I might be off somewhere but this all goes with the amazonianish roots I had in mind for her, plus the voice of Sandy(my character) I have in my head is screaming "good job" over it BAH! the voices ><
I need to muse more on the final measurements tho, 36 looks about 24 is not large enough and by large I mean width from side to side, 34 for the hips also looks kinda small.

but anyway even if I have gotten the proportions for this one are there any proportions documents for detailed character creation work for writing?
Or is that pretty much another project I need to hobble together to work out normal figure weight and measurements as a base so I can expand from there as I put these "rusty"(as in in my head for a decade ) characters to their bios..

(forgot to post this lulz)

[ZippyDSMlee]

Sorry. Um, thats all I can think of...
I mean I have my own problems, mainly that I can't concentrate on anything long enough to get it OOH A BIRDY!

I understand it I have the same problem "oooOoooooo is shiny, waspenator is so happpyyyy"

LOL

try and focus and clean things as I can, the more I write the better I will get at it I haz to belivez it

I do need more helpful constructive criticism getting down to what in the word structure I did wrong but most people prefer just to criticize or write mew off as a loon(well I am crazy ).

thanks for the words of wisdom tho ^^

[Metruis]

Yes, but--I realize this is criticism, but I think this is a useless detail. It doesn't assist drawing them and, if I was your artist, I wouldn't be able to work from them.

My voices demand things be done too. When I was a writer only, I kept files full of every picture that had anything remotely like my characters in them. Since I work this way, this is the only resource I can give ya.

http://flashface.ctapt.de/

Make portraits with drag and drop things. XP As for documents, you might as well search on here.

http://www.rpgsheets.com/

It won't have proportions, you'd be better off to look on a Sears Catalogue for that o_O, but you'd have a good idea of what to put on a character sheet. It's an RPG character sheet database.

People would write you off less as a loon if you stopped continually repeating it every post you made. I've seen you on other forums plus your original looking-for-artist post, and you keep repeating that you have these problems and you get wrote off on other forums, starting yourself with a bad reputation brought over from other places. Stop focusing on it and just type. Not everyone's a great English speaker. Just type. Don't apologize for things you haven't done yet. Crazy or not. Don't apologize for it and make problems before you actually have them.

If she's got an artificial body, depending on what structures your universe has, if she's metal for example--she'll weigh a lot more than a normal human. More than 180 pounds.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Yes, but--I realize this is criticism, but I think this is a useless detail. It doesn't assist drawing them and, if I was your artist, I wouldn't be able to work from them.

My voices demand things be done too. When I was a writer only, I kept files full of every picture that had anything remotely like my characters in them. Since I work this way, this is the only resource I can give ya.

http://flashface.ctapt.de/

Make portraits with drag and drop things. XP As for documents, you might as well search on here.

http://www.rpgsheets.com/

It won't have proportions, you'd be better off to look on a Sears Catalogue for that o_O, but you'd have a good idea of what to put on a character sheet. It's an RPG character sheet database.

People would write you off less as a loon if you stopped continually repeating it every post you made. I've seen you on other forums plus your original looking-for-artist post, and you keep repeating that you have these problems and you get wrote off on other forums, starting yourself with a bad reputation brought over from other places. Stop focusing on it and just type. Not everyone's a great English speaker. Just type. Don't apologize for things you haven't done yet. Crazy or not. Don't apologize for it and make problems before you actually have them.

If she's got an artificial body, depending on what structures your universe has, if she's metal for example--she'll weigh a lot more than a normal human. More than 180 pounds.

lol I'll give it a try

what if uuu haz voices that dun like uu much?
LOL
Meh I enjoy myself to much even if I have issues wif self. =^^=

I rewrote this twice and fed it to word, bow down to me for I have proof read it
Been up all night too brains is fuzzy ><
For the body (and half of this is new thought because that’s how I roll) first form is synthetic android whitch is different than a normal one if Data(startrek) is on the high end of normal a synthetic(IMO) is more like the one from aliens IE a “lite” boney structure made of metal or composite compounds that have tubing for fluids small wire like nerves, with white or off color synthetic muscles with flesh above it, the 2nd form is bio/organic something more “human” like with synthetic like materials replacing meat and bone.

Because it’s synthetic for the “sophisticated” AI it’s going to be 50-80LB within normal humanoid weight so 180-220 will be here weight class with the bio/organic form weighing less…… I think I found a new paragraph to addz to ze bio…LOL
My brain works in layers and sometimes it can take a month for a train of thought to finish, for the last year or so I been writing hard and discovering my own quirks a and thought process’s
I got these done a week ago been working on them a month, partially informative game design stuff
http://gamedes.com/forums/showthread.ph ... 3#post1043
Got this done a few days ago, just hit me out of the blue
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... lop-story/

I also have 2 ½ races to polish up one is kinda old but it never hurts for me to relook what I wrote and see if I can make it look better.
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/?page_ ... eview=true

These 2 show how I work at layering and rework stuff, but its unfinished ><
Frist
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/writin ... 0%99irthi/
Slight overhaul of the first bit
http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/writin ... s/newrace/

oy if you can’t tell I seem to follow whatever train of thought that’s in my head instead of staying focused >< oh well know thy own weakness so you may learn from them .

Uhg the COTLOP thing is something I been stewing over for 15+ years as develop it more, more things get created, the characters in book 1 are new I made them over night yes I know grammar is atrocious I have been told so but I have also been told a flare for writing and characters when I take the time to focus.

Gaa I is rambling >< I been up all night when I have a mix of energy I get more crazy =0-o=

BTW thanks for the help and the thoughts ^^

[Wendybird]

Here's a suggestion that might be helpful. One of the reasons you might come off as a little hyper and strange is that when I read what you've typed, in my head it sounds like someone speaking without taking breaths. Read your writing aloud, slowly, and wherever you take a breath naturally, there should be some kind of punctuation. Even if it's not the right kind, it will help people to break it down into manageable chunks.

Reading through what you've written might also help you catch things (like one-sided quotes) that you know are wrong, but just missed when you typed it the first time.

Once you've added the breathing punctuation, look at the phrases between them. If you can say it by itself and it makes sense, you may want to make it a separate sentence; when in doubt, semicolons can be a good compromise.

If this isn't helpful to you, I understand; I also have a brain that fails to do some things that humans expect of it.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Here's a suggestion that might be helpful. One of the reasons you might come off as a little hyper and strange is that when I read what you've typed, in my head it sounds like someone speaking without taking breaths. Read your writing aloud, slowly, and wherever you take a breath naturally, there should be some kind of punctuation. Even if it's not the right kind, it will help people to break it down into manageable chunks.

Reading through what you've written might also help you catch things (like one-sided quotes) that you know are wrong, but just missed when you typed it the first time.

Once you've added the breathing punctuation, look at the phrases between them. If you can say it by itself and it makes sense, you may want to make it a separate sentence; when in doubt, semicolons can be a good compromise.

If this isn't helpful to you, I understand; I also have a brain that fails to do some things that humans expect of it.

No thats one of my main issues "thinking without thinking",I need to drain the brain storm and then proof it..and then proof it again before I unleash it on the poor unsuspecting masses, having the attention span of a nat is unhelpful ><

[ZippyDSMlee]

Just a small suggestion here, but make an effort at proper grammar. I know I sound like a language-nazi because of this, but I find it much easier to understand what a character is like when I can understand the sentence describing said character.

... Happy go lucky depressive... [/quote="ZippyDSMlee]
A perfect example. Is he both at the same time? Do they cancel each other out? Does he have multiple personalities?
Personality is just as important for an artist as it is a writer; it governs facial expressions, stance, overall body placement, etc.
Clean it up like you would for an english teacher, and you'll be more likely to find an artist.

I been refining bio's lately, working on a reworded personalty bit for my lord of power.
"Personality: Starts out as a happy go lucky amnesiac, alil shy alil silly but after time he is driven to solitude by the pain he has suffered in life. He just prefers to be alone but despite his personal suffering and self discontentment he is drawn to assist people by his unwavering kindness and the solace its use brings him even if such enjoyment is bitter sweet at best. “To play the fool is to be the fool so one can forget you are a fool.” is what he would say if you can ever get close enough to have a meaningful conversation, while he is fully organic most drugs and diseases are infective so hiding in a bottle is not an option but he can molder in a depressive state and appear to be sick, drugged or worse…."

I think I need to start a new thread about my stuff, see if anyone wants to comment on the horror, well its not to bad once I calm down and rewrite it, rewriteing was hard for me to do a year ago... I need to work on a new fan lyric too..the songs wont leave me brwain ><.

I think I get the rules, if you are going to make a thread to keep "updated" use edit before reply, anything else I should know or should I jsut go ahead and ask a mod? I cnaz ask the damnest of questions