*jawdrop* HUH?!!?!

Rann · Post by **Rann** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 12:49 am

Wha... huh... whazza... cocaine?!!?!?!?!?!
Oh, ADA! ;_; Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! There are no heros anymore!------------------
- Rann Aridorn
"Do I have a little 'take a number' sign on me somewhere, or something?"

KathleenJ · Post by **KathleenJ** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 12:58 am

*simultaneous jawdrop and spit-take*
Well, Ada, kudos on kicking the coke habit. Hmm, I guess we've already seen her addictive personality with her coffee...
Well done, BJ. This storyline was totally unexpected and it threw everyone for a loop. ------------------
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Cannonshop · Post by **Cannonshop** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 3:49 am

Hey, she's not using it NOW, (at least, I don't think she is...) and that stuff's hard as hell to kick.
There ARE Heroes.

Day · Post by **Day** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 4:08 am

Great googaliemoogalie! It makes sense, though... Just wow... It's amazing she's the way she is now... I have friends who aren't alright... I also have friends (who I'm very proud of) who, apparently like Ada, kicked some hard-to-kick drugs and I agree: There ARE still heros.
->Day<-
Not getting enough sleep.
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ZOMBIE USER 487 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 487** » Mon Oct 15, 2001 5:09 am

Or, was she dealing it?Naw, she'd still be in prison if she had been. You see, the intelligent dealers don't actually do the drugs they deal in.[This message has been edited by Consul (edited 10-15-2001).]

Appendix Q · Post by **Appendix Q** » Wed Oct 17, 2001 12:31 am

Beautiful, BJ. Simply beautiful. Oh, I was moved. Gave me kind of a warm feeling inside, the kind I get whenever Homer and Marge make up on "The Simpsons". I'm very emotionally attached to fictional characters...(Though I'm certain some of the more cynical posters here will start up the "Jackie's gay!" ranting over this... Dorks.)

Peterh · Post by **Peterh** » Wed Oct 17, 2001 1:09 am

So what if Jackie IS gay...would it be LESS moving, then?I don't think so. Sexual preference is completely irrelevant when it comes to matters of the heart.(and this counts for lesbians (female) as well as homo's (male))
(and this from a confirmed heterosexual male)peter

Appendix Q · Post by **Appendix Q** » Wed Oct 17, 2001 3:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by peterh:
Sexual preference is completely irrelevant when it comes to matters of the heart.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Precisely my point, Peter. Today's strip was a purely emotional masterpiece, and I'd hate to see its beauty tarnished by even one nimrod saying, "Oh, Jackie hugged Ada! See, she is gay!" Truth be told, I don't really care about Jackie's sexuality.

Franc28 · Post by **Franc28** » Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:37 am

Yea yea taking drugs is the biggest crime on Earth, they should all be stuffed in prison, and so on, bla bla bla. I don't see why I expected more intelligence and maturity from comic readers, really... We still have such a long ways to go, folks.
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Rann · Post by **Rann** » Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:59 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Franc28:
Yea yea taking drugs is the biggest crime on Earth, they should all be stuffed in prison, and so on, bla bla bla. I don't see why I expected more intelligence and maturity from comic readers, really... We still have such a long ways to go, folks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, yes, such a long way to go until we idolize those noble, self-sacrificing drug dealers instead of those bastards the cops.
You have no right to base generalizations on me or try to question my maturity for the fact that I condemn drug use, when the idea that people should be able to use and abuse any substance they want is that of a high school moron.
Yes, Ada kicked her drug habit. Good for her, and I'm glad, because I like her. But does it make her a hero? No. It's her picking up her own mess, one she got herself into. As Chris Rock says, "You don't get credit for the basic shit you're SUPPOSED to do" in answer to the people who proclaim "I take care of my kids!" or "I've never been in jail!" It's stuff you're SUPPOSED to do, and it's good that you do it, but not really heroic.
Now if you're a single dad who works two jobs to take care of three kids, then you're a hero.
A reformed drug addict is to be commended for kicking the habit. But they weren't supposed to have the habit in the first place. So kicking it isn't cause to label them a hero.------------------
- Rann Aridorn
"Do I have a little 'take a number' sign on me somewhere, or something?"

Snuffy · Post by **Snuffy** » Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:28 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rann:
Now if you're a single dad who works two jobs to take care of three kids, then you're a hero.
A reformed drug addict is to be commended for kicking the habit. But they weren't supposed to have the habit in the first place. So kicking it isn't cause to label them a hero.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If he couldn't afford them, he shouldn't have had more kids, so he's just getting out of a bad situation he could have prevented. Whatever the situation, he is merely taking responsibility for his own adult decisions. [1] This single dad is no more a hero than I was for taking 3 jobs plus a full course load in university so that I didn't have to take funding from my parents.Ada may not be a hero, but she can still be admired for defeating what must have been a nasty addiction.
[1] The adult decision being having children who he knew he'd have to support in an uncertain world. So I'd have sympathy, I'd admire him, but to give him hero status is ridiculous.

Zodo · Post by **Zodo** » Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:49 am

I think you're making a HUGE generalization there. Just because one person says something, that does not mean he or she represents the entire group.If you check again the last panel on Monday's strip, Ada says that she was "on Coke" which means she was a user. Possession of Cocaine is a felony, a low-grade felony, but a felony nonetheless. She probably served a couple months of jailtime, or was put on probation with community service.She however did clean up, and has established herself as a business owner, which makes her a more upstanding member of the community. That felony conviction will be on her record forever, though, and will be a hinderance to many things she will want to do.I like how Jackie came through at the end of today's (wednesday's) strip, showing that she's there for her friend.-Zodo, CI
Consummate Troublemaker

ZOMBIE USER 487 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 487** » Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:02 am

Today's (11-17) strip was masterful. It's not very often a comic gets such an emotional reaction out of me, but today, you succeeded.Thanks, BJ. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">

Day · Post by **Day** » Thu Oct 18, 2001 12:38 am

It's prolly a bad idea to get into this, but.. well... Maybe I'm just dumb. As a someone who calls himself Straight Edge (basically a pledge to keep myself clean as far as drugs are concerned) I kind of agree with Rann and kind of don't. I think using drugs is stupid and I tend not to like hanging out with users, but just because someone uses drugs doesn't mean they're worthless or fun when thier sober. As for calling people who kick hard-to-kick drugs heros, one reason I stay away from that kind of stuff is because I don't think I'd have the willpower to get clean once I got in too deep.People who do have that willpower impress me. I don't go around worshipping them, but one can't ignore the strength it takes to kick some drugs. I just think, in my humble opinion, that both sides here are being a bit unforgiving and closedminded. Different people know different lives and no one can really tell anyone else how to live thiers.
->Day<-
Hoping the arguement will go away.
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StarrPolish · Post by **StarrPolish** » Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:08 am

I myself am sXe as well, Day. I pretty much agree with you.
To get into drugs you have to be a weak person, in my opinion, and of course, there are exceptions to this rule.
I believe it takes exceptional strength to overcome a habit, especially if you started out as a weak person in the first place.
So anyone who kicks a hard drug habit may not be labeled a hero, but they are incredibly strong, and do deserve recognition.

Rann · Post by **Rann** » Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Snuffy:
[1] This single dad is no more a hero than I was for taking 3 jobs plus a full course load in university so that I didn't have to take funding from my parents.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, but unlike you, he's not a jerk.------------------
- Rann Aridorn
"Do I have a little 'take a number' sign on me somewhere, or something?"

BJ · Post by BJ » Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:26 am

Hey! No name calling!

Rann · Post by **Rann** » Thu Oct 18, 2001 3:32 am

Okay, okay, sorry for name-calling. Still, I just have problems with the people that seem to glorify (former) drug abusers, while people that actually work hard to get their lives in order are forgotten about or even sneered at.
The post earlier about how "People that come down on drug users are immature losers" is the sort of thing that can put you on the defensive, y'know? I don't agree with putting crap in your body for the side-effects, be it alcohol or cocaine or whatnot.
(Caffeine is acceptable, because people on caffeine binges typically don't cause car wrecks or rob people to support their habit.)------------------
- Rann Aridorn
"Do I have a little 'take a number' sign on me somewhere, or something?"

Cannonshop · Post by **Cannonshop** » Thu Oct 18, 2001 4:04 am

Gee, Rann, you speak almost exactly the way I'd expect someone who's never taken a risk to speak.
Quick thought, from Eisenhower:
"Heroes are made because someone made a mistake."
People who avoid mistakes are admirable for their wisdom, but, wise people generally don't do heroic things.
doing drugs is a serious mistake.
Kicking something that regularly kills its users (either through general organic damage, or, through their own actions), falls under the heading of "Heroic" because it's DIFFICULT, it can also be dangerous, esp. when one considers the types of people on the supply-end.
YOU can't seem to separate the User from the ex-user, or, the addiction from the addict.
Gamble much?

Snuffy · Post by **Snuffy** » Thu Oct 18, 2001 5:21 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Rann:
Okay, okay, sorry for name-calling. Still, I just have problems with the people that seem to glorify (former) drug abusers, while people that actually work hard to get their lives in order are forgotten about or even sneered at.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm sorry if I somehow came off glorifying drug users or as sneering at people who work hard. Neither was my intention.My intention was to say that while hero is a strong word to describe someone who takes an extra job to support children, he is certainly to be admired. I did not say that Ada was better than that for overcoming an addiction, but it is still admirable.

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