Between Worlds Mun Discussion (OOC comments here)

BlasTech · Post by **BlasTech** » Sat May 27, 2006 10:28 pm

how about we just leave the grounds for flame wars out of the rp?

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Sun May 28, 2006 12:24 am

BlasTech wrote:how about we just leave the grounds for flame wars out of the rp?

Agreed. Political conversations never go anywhere, no one ever changes their mind about anything due to a political conversation and if I get started on the 'Why the no-guns laws work in the uk and why they never would in the us' I'll endup waisting a huge chunk of my time on wrighting the six or seven pages I could babble on for, only to turn this entire thread into another political/moralistic flaming ground.

No, this is the one part of the forum I'm able to walk into without seeing a shouting match going on, I'd like it to stay that way if at all posible.

You're right about the discription of earth Ralph, but with the way that last scene was geared I couldn't see myself keeping a long babble about earth in the final 'Fan-fiction' format, as it'd be like teaching readers to suck eggs. What I'll probably do is (once a nice brake point comes around in the curent scene) incude a 'meanwhile' bit where we catch them mid way through a lil discription, a small explenation of what they've covered so far before hand rather then an eight page 10pt discription of everything people should have lerned in primary school

If no one is going to post, I move things along, theres a tone of gear waiting in the back for Ayshe and a group mini-mission upcoming too.

Tom Mazanec · Post by **Tom Mazanec** » Sun May 28, 2006 1:50 am

The platypus is almost normal compared to a pangolin.

StrangeWulf13 · Post by **StrangeWulf13** » Sun May 28, 2006 1:22 pm

Astral, I wasn't suggesting a flame war. I just saw an opportunity for conflict and character development, which are always good in any story. But in my defense, the "flame war" would be in the RP itself, with our Rac Conan characters being both astonished and disgusted that such an advanced civilization would enact laws that, to them at least, would be highly immoral (and in their case, impractical) to enforce. Some Rac Conans might dream of keeping the public under total control, but such corrupt officials are also smart enough to realize it wouldn't work. The ringtails are too feisty and too skilled in luxcraft to implement such measures. They'd be burned in effigy long before.

It is, of course, up to you whether or not to include it. All I did was see an opportunity for improving the story. But it saddens me that you'd turn it down simply because there might be a few ruffled feathers in the forum. The path of a writer means seeking the truth, not bowing to the will of the masses because they might throw you to the lions, or even *gasp!* disagree with you!

I like you as a friend, Astral, but if you do intend to kill my idea, I will have lost respect for you.

I did think you had a drop of cowardice in you. Perhaps I judged too soon.

Mjolnir · Post by **Mjolnir** » Sun May 28, 2006 1:26 pm

OK, let's just clam down. There are enough political debates going on (some of which I am a part of) and I don't think we need another one here. I don't mind SW's idea being brought up in the RP, but we'd all have to agree to not let our own views color our character's reactions.

- Mjolnir (aledged jock

)

BlasTech · Post by **BlasTech** » Sun May 28, 2006 2:46 pm

I think if you really want it strange, please please continue this discussion in PM form with Astral.

You are already getting a little too close to starting a fight in the mun thread as well as the rp

DragonMasterHawk · Post by **DragonMasterHawk** » Sun May 28, 2006 2:50 pm

I'm with Astral. When the author starts whispering into its characters ears, there's a problem.

GrayTiger · Post by **GrayTiger** » Sun May 28, 2006 3:48 pm

A long drawn out scene discussing the politics of Earth isn't that necessary to the plot and would bring the story's pace to a screeching halt frankly.

I suppose one could argue we are already there tho.

BlasTech · Post by **BlasTech** » Mon May 29, 2006 4:34 pm

Aww cmon GT, you cant complain ... you get twice the updates as the rest of us

StrangeWulf13 · Post by **StrangeWulf13** » Mon May 29, 2006 5:42 pm

You all are mistaken. This has nothing to do with me. I'm just convinced that if any of the Rac Conans heard about gun control laws in our world, no matter the country, would be shocked and apalled. You have to remember, their society is more coservative and libertarian in a lot of places. Anyone who tries to convince them of the "virtues" of gun control or tell them why "it works in the UK" will have a fierce argument on their hands.

If Rayne brings it up, I will play my part, and Adam will take him to task. Not because the issue is a hot spot for me, but because it is for Adam. I will act as any Rac Cona Daimh would. I expect the rest of you to do the same.

Unless of course, you wish to avoid a good RP in fear of an actual debate between the characters. Perish the thought that they might be like actual people!

This isn't about politics, dammit. It's about playing characters with actual depth and personality. And that's what makes a good story: characters. If a debate comes up, and Adam is in the group, I will have him give his opinion, whatever it may be. I can do no less.

But so help me, if you choose to preserve your delicate sensibilities just because you don't want a debate, or worse, to argue against you own political position, I will have Adam march into the Tumbledowns and die in some horrible manner. And then have nothing more to do with this RP.

It's not about politics. It's about making the story great. A pox on all of you too cowardly to do that.

DracoDei · Post by **DracoDei** » Mon May 29, 2006 10:54 pm

Stop me if I am taking this out of context or something:
There are many many tracks we can take. Which ones are worth our time is a seperate question. We are trying to have fun here (which DOES NOT MEAN we have to pander to the lowest common denominator, pushing ourselves to perform well in areas we are a little bit nervous about is part of the fun, a challenge to be met.). At the same time, many of our members and other readers might find it a bit boring to have that discussion in character... or they might not... I have a weak area in my ability to read people. You are right that if the subject came up Adam would respond. Whether that bringing up of the subject (if any) and the resultant response would be 'off-camera' or not is a seperate question. We can't go over everything... I mean I doubt we are going to go into all the contingency planning that Adam and Barnard would be doing in the near future... much as I, for one, might enjoy the nit-picking analysis session at great length... I think we might tend to lose a large percentage of the audience.

GrayTiger · Post by **GrayTiger** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:19 am

Ya BlasTech, and I also got to wait on twice as many ppl for my turn as well.

Mjolnir · Post by **Mjolnir** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:55 am

StrangeWulf13 wrote:It's not about politics. It's about making the story great. A pox on all of you too cowardly to do that.

A great story does not need to have a topic crowbared in. Several things argue against this addition. 1) Rayne is a child and, thus, probably doesn't know/care about gun control laws. 2) It has no bearing on the story right now. You might as well have Adam suddenly start to tap dance with for no reason. 3) We're having enough trouble keeping all of our backstories and upcoming events straight without adding a non-sequiter in now. 4) We already have a great story and characters with depth and personality. Heck, if we didn't we wouldn't have kept it up for over a year.

I don't mean to sound harsh, SW, but while this is a valid topic, I don't see how it fits in the RP at the moment. I have no problem with the characters debating/argueing/etc, but I don't want to force something in just to do that. (That seems to come about quite naturally on it's own.

) Story ideas and character development are wonderful, but if they don't fit in to the current story, they'd detract more than add. All IMHO, of course.

- Mjolnir

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:35 am

I finally got around to starting a proper compilation of the full FanFic version of Between Worlds this weekend. Only got the Prologue re-written at the moment, but I've got a few exams coming up, so naturally I'm pretty busy with revision and I can only post / write stuff when I'm in the middle of a brake. I just wanted to ask what people thought to posting it up on the forum. Should I just build yet another topic for it, or find somewhere to host it properly and just provide a link so people can download it in word format?

Mjolnir · Post by **Mjolnir** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:01 am

I think that a link might be better. That way people can see it and the posts won't have various comments stuck in between them.

- Mjolnir

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:09 am

Mjolnir wrote:I think that a link might be better. That way people can see it and the posts won't have various comments stuck in between them.

- Mjolnir

Hmm, good point. I might use my univercity webspace for the time being then, just untill I can get some propper webspace for it (I had been thinking of creating a proper 'Saga of Raccona' site over the summer)

Tom Mazanec · Post by **Tom Mazanec** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:02 am

Something I have lost track of...how much time has passed in the story?

Mjolnir · Post by **Mjolnir** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:03 am

Let's see:

Night 1 - At the tavern
Night 2 - On the Airship
Night 3 - AT the College

So, I'd say we're on the 4th day of the RP.

- Mjolnir

Astral · Post by **Astral** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:42 am

Mjolnir wrote:Let's see:

Night 1 - At the tavern
Night 2 - On the Airship
Night 3 - AT the College

So, I'd say we're on the 4th day of the RP.

- Mjolnir

Thats about right, for the RP timeline anyway, story wise there was about three days before hand which we only know a few sketchy details about at the moment.

StrangeWulf13 · Post by **StrangeWulf13** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:56 pm

Mjolnir wrote:
StrangeWulf13 wrote:It's not about politics. It's about making the story great. A pox on all of you too cowardly to do that.
A great story does not need to have a topic crowbared in. Several things argue against this addition. 1) Rayne is a child and, thus, probably doesn't know/care about gun control laws. 2) It has no bearing on the story right now. You might as well have Adam suddenly start to tap dance with for no reason. 3) We're having enough trouble keeping all of our backstories and upcoming events straight without adding a non-sequiter in now. 4) We already have a great story and characters with depth and personality. Heck, if we didn't we wouldn't have kept it up for over a year.

I don't mean to sound harsh, SW, but while this is a valid topic, I don't see how it fits in the RP at the moment. I have no problem with the characters debating/argueing/etc, but I don't want to force something in just to do that. (That seems to come about quite naturally on it's own. ) Story ideas and character development are wonderful, but if they don't fit in to the current story, they'd detract more than add. All IMHO, of course.

- Mjolnir

Actually, that's the most reasonable response I've gotten yet. I really don't want to cause trouble, but I cannot stand it when people push aside good plot just to preserve some ridiculous presumption or their sheltered beliefs. As a writer, it drives me nuts to see it.

S'why I stopped reading fanfics.

Anyway, it probably won't come up, but I betcha that if Rayne let it slip that some nations on his home world had laws outlawing ownership of weapons, the Rac Conans would be darn thankful to Yeshua putting them on their mudball rather than ours!

Heck, some might feel sorry for the poor kit, having to grow up in a place that, to them, would seem barbaric and dangerous. They, on the other hand, have little trouble getting their neighbors to be civil...

...if only out of fear of retaliation.

If I was writing the story, I'd put in the debate just to make things interesting. But since I'm not, and I don't know Rayne's character that well, I'm happy merely to react as my character would.

But don't think you can leave politics out of anything.

Sooner or later, it'll make itself involved, whether any of us want it to or not! Maybe killing enough beuracrats would convince it to go elsewhere...