Wheeeee!

Godoftarot · Post by **Godoftarot** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:18 pm

I actually got my comic up! Yay! I hope that some of you will read it and maybe even enjoy it.

godoftarot.keenspace.com
Thanks a lot!
Eon

Hobolenno · Post by **Hobolenno** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:22 pm

Heh, I remember how excited I was when I got my account.

Oh, and ya, I'll take a look at your comic.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:39 pm

Congrats on setting up your page, but it needs to have comics in order to be read. Check back for a review after about 30 strips or so.

Godoftarot · Post by **Godoftarot** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:47 pm

THIRTY!? Aren't we demanding?

Well, I don't know, I hope I get that far, I really do. I'll try my best. But really, thirty? What about 20? 15?? Phooey!

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:57 pm

Nooooo... demanding would be me demanding an explanation why you came running over here to tell us you have a comic up when you have a poem printed on top of some sketches on top of a threadbare blank page.

Getting this far took patience, we've all done our time in Keenspace limbo. In the meantime just schmooze and hang out on the forums and read other people's comics. If people find you entertaining they will check out your comic on their own. But seriously, anyone with less than thirty comics gets about the same answer no matter where they ask.

Godoftarot · Post by **Godoftarot** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:10 pm

1) that's a song, not a poem. 2) that's not a sketch. It's fully colored, so it doesn't count as a sketch. 3) my page should at least have background and text color, and if it doesn't, well, that's not cool. I just put it up and I really started the comic spontaneously, so I don't have a lot of other content yet. I'm working on it. Since I'm going on Christmas vacation soon I'll have more time to work on it, at least for awhile. School demands a good chunk of my time. Also, I have it set up so it should update for a couple of days, so there will be more. I just want to start slowly. baby steps.

McBean · Post by **McBean** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:16 pm

Your comic page needs comics! Just listen to what us old frazzled veterans have to say. We're really not trying to dicourage you from doing anything, it's just that we've seen stuff like this so many times before.

Ratbert · Post by **Ratbert** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:20 pm

Yep. I made that mistake of plugging my comic when there was only like...13 strips up (because I really liked #13). 30 is definetely the point where a comic begins taking shape. Trust me...I mean us.

Hobolenno · Post by **Hobolenno** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:28 pm

I agree. The first few months of my comic were especially terrible. I'm not saying my comic's perfect, but it is definatly better than it was almost 1 year ago. This is pretty much true for any webcomic that I have read.

Godoftarot · Post by **Godoftarot** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:09 am

Sheesh. I was just giving people the opportunity to follow it from the beginning. And I strongly stress the word "beginning" here. Of course there's no comics, since I just started.

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:29 am

Umm... I hate to break this to you... but no one wants to follow a comic from the 'very beginning'.

In effect you're actually hurting yourself by plugging your comic this early (ie when there's nothing to see) because people will go and look, see nothing worth seeing, and go away disappointed.

Not only that, but they will remember: "I've been to God of Tarot and that thing sucked!" (because nothing was there). So even if you do produce something worthwhile later on, they won't come back because of the impression they got.

Remember, first impressions count.

Also keep in mind that for your comic to succeed, you need people. Mostly you need friends with sites so they can link you and direct people to your site.

If you continue to get people's backs up, no one will. And unless you're doing this for just yourself and not just for readers, you'll soon get discouraged because no one reads your comic and give up after two weeks.

There are far too many webcomics out there. Most of them suck. Most readers will only give you one chance. Don't waste it.

Forgive us if we are less than ethusiastic about your comic. We're all a bit jaded, because we've seen this happen to new keenspacers time after time after time.

As evidenced here:

http://hownottorunacomic.keenspace.com

Evil Jamie! · Post by **Evil Jamie!** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:31 am

I remeber when I first plugged my comic. I was around 20 pages in or so.
...no one replyed...
*sigh*
But yeah, we really need aound 30 comics. not because we're demanding, but because if we read a bunch it's much easyer to judge then say, oooh, one comic.
But don't worry about it. 30 comics is nothing. You'll get there in no time.

Jeffy · Post by **Jeffy** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:37 am

i am sexy

Evil Jamie! · Post by **Evil Jamie!** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:42 am

I know.

Godoftarot · Post by **Godoftarot** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:46 am

I'm a writer. I may not have confidence in my art, but I do have confidence in my writing. People may think I'm bragging or being egotistical, but I'm good. Really good. It's the talent I was born with. Of course, I'm so good at writing fantasy stories that my grip on reality is tenuous at best, so its not 100% a good thing.
The point is, if you never go back to a place because you went there once and it wasn't together yet, well, that's effectively judging the book by the cover. I've gone back to a lot of pages that were just in the real beginnings of things, and some of them never went anywhere, and some of them did.
I guess I view things a bit different because I'm more of a writer than an artist. Beginning, middle, end, it doesn't matter, I don't want to miss something because it could be important. I'm also used to waiting for more. I waited three years for the 5th Harry Potter book. Which is just crazy, so if I'm gone for three years than I'm probably not coming back.
So, I'm just saying...well, I dunno, I'm fuddle-brained this morning, its real early and I'm going to the Rhuematologist today and I'm nervous. So just ignore me, I'm just babbling. Anyway, I should probably get my ass in gear before mom yells at me.

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:52 am

godoftarot wrote:I'm a writer.

Moop!

viewtopic.php?t=54350

Evil Jamie! · Post by **Evil Jamie!** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:58 am

godoftarot wrote: The point is, if you never go back to a place because you went there once and it wasn't together yet, well, that's effectively judging the book by the cover.

That's right, and sadly enough it happens all too often in web comics. But look through some of the lower ranking keenspace comics on the guide ( http://guide.keenspace.com/ ) and you'll see why. Lots of people start comics and end them before reaching the 30th comic mark.
You're confident of your writing. Good. While it helps to have amazing art, it's not always important and you'll only improve as you go along.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:31 am

We're not trying to rip your legs off and beat you to death with them. You're asking us to read your comic from the beginning and we're telling you no, because you don't have a comic to read. That's it. No one is insulting your mother or questioning your merit.

Now you're trying to explain why you want us to read your comic from the beginning and it's NOT CHANGING ANYONE'S MIND, because YOU STILL DON'T HAVE A COMIC TO READ. So take all this defensive angst, bottle it up, and turn it towards making the comic you want us to read and we'll read it, from the beginning, when there is actually something to read. Which I presume will be much later (if not never, given that you are more interested in getting our attention than you are in creating something).

Godoftarot · Post by **Godoftarot** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:51 am

Oh bloody...!! How do you figure I don't have a comic? Because it hasn't yet been posted on the page!? So that automatically means it doesn't exist, right?
I just love it when people judge me without knowing a damn thing about me. How do you know what I do or do not want? You don't. You're just assuming things. I am WORKING on it. Rome wasn't built in a frigging day. If I just wanted your attention I could just post random stupid things on the board that have nothing to do with webcomics.
What makes you think I haven't created anything? I've done quite a bit of work for something that started as a whim. But why am I even bothering? I might as well go running full tilt into a brick wall because its more productive than talking to you.

Matt Lim · Post by **Matt Lim** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:01 am

Wow...I think the demanding one is you. Everyone here is trying to be nice to you and help you out, so just listen to our advice. All of us are veterans in the field. I haven't even plugged my comic yet and it has like 100 strips. If you already have comics done then post them friggin' up. We don't have much to base a review off of. If you're going to get an attitude and harass us to read your comic that hasn't even developed yet, then you should just go ask some other place to give you feedback.