I've finally done it

For discussions, announcements, non-technical questions and anything else comics-related or otherwise that doesn't fit in any of the other categories.

What do you think about Gameshow

I read it often
1
9%
I like it
2
18%
Gamewho?
4
36%
I hate it
3
27%
I have tried to ban my readers from seeing it
1
9%
 
Total votes: 11

ZOMBIE USER 11784
Regular Poster
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

I've finally done it

Post by ZOMBIE USER 11784 »

Image
(It probably won't show until Monday, since the comic won't show)

On monday, I will finish Gameshow Chapter 0. Gameshow chapter one will begin on Friday.

Questions, Comments, Criticisms, Fan Art, Guest Strips, Lies about my mom, and insults about my style can be put here.

I also changed my avatar to something from Wednesday's comic.

The next three chapters (Boyhood's End, The Fallen, & Aftermath) won't be as big as chapter 0, but they will be important.
Last edited by ZOMBIE USER 11784 on Tue Dec 10, 2002 5:55 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
McDuffies
Bob was here (Moderator)
Bob was here (Moderator)
Posts: 29957
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 1999 4:00 pm
Location: Serbia
Contact:

Post by McDuffies »

You should've put one option between "i like it" and "gamewho?". Like: "it's not good, nor bad".

ZOMBIE USER 7833
Regular Poster
Posts: 602
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Post by ZOMBIE USER 7833 »

I think you should do your comic in a different medium. The messy pencil-ish drawing are a huge turn off to me. That alone made me not want to read the comic, so I have no idea if the rest of it is any good or not. If you're gonna use a pencil, try to at least make it look cleaner. You are using a big ol' computer, besides, and those tend to be pretty good at cleaning up stuff like that.

Odd1
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 1611
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 1999 4:00 pm
Location: Amsterdam
Contact:

Post by Odd1 »

I have to agree with Jaster that those rough pencil lines are a huge turn-off...

Odd1
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 1611
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 1999 4:00 pm
Location: Amsterdam
Contact:

Post by Odd1 »

:o :o :o

First time a reply of mine actually got submitted...

ZOMBIE USER 11784
Regular Poster
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Post by ZOMBIE USER 11784 »

I'm sorry, but my computer is horrible at cleaning up pics.

And my mouse is horrible at drawing, so I'm stuck to using pencil-and-paper.

ZOMBIE USER 11784
Regular Poster
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Post by ZOMBIE USER 11784 »

JasterW wrote:I think you should do your comic in a different medium. The messy pencil-ish drawing are a huge turn off to me. That alone made me not want to read the comic, so I have no idea if the rest of it is any good or not. If you're gonna use a pencil, try to at least make it look cleaner. You are using a big ol' computer, besides, and those tend to be pretty good at cleaning up stuff like that.
:( :( :(
Okay, I'll admit, the first few comics are rough, but the drawing quality impoves throught Gameshow to counter the effects of bad cleanup.

User avatar
Megidoth
Regular Poster
Posts: 125
Joined: Mon Apr 01, 2002 4:00 pm
Contact:

Post by Megidoth »

You should ink the lines,and erase the pencil one after.It will look a LOT cleaner that way.
Aka SeigneurRuei
Image

User avatar
Netrek
Regular Poster
Posts: 636
Joined: Mon Aug 26, 2002 2:34 pm
Location: Under a huge pile of mulch
Contact:

Post by Netrek »

Yah, I agree with Srdjan and Megidoth there . . .

I could see a marked improvement when I started inking and stuff. scanning in higher resolution then scaling back after coloring helped too.

--Sij
<A HREF="http://netrek.keenspace.com"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://netrek.keenspace.com/images/logo.png" HEIGHT="80"></A>
My other links? <A HREF="http://torio.keenspace.com">Backtales from Kenneville</A> :: <A HREF="http://torio.keenspace.com/classact/caindex.htm">Class Act</A> :: <A HREF="http://netrek.keenspace.com/gspace.htm">NEOSpace</A>

ZOMBIE USER 7833
Regular Poster
Posts: 602
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Post by ZOMBIE USER 7833 »

Yes, inking is good. Nobody's perfect, using a pencil drawing is like turning in your rough draft as you final paper. If you're really good, you can sometimes pull it off, but for the vast majority of us, you'll miss a whole lot of little mistakes that way (at the least). I'd recommend seeking out a blue pencil, drawing in that, and then using ink on top of that, and leaving color to the computer. That alone will make an unbelievably huge difference in the quality of your artwork, mostly because everyone will actually be able to see it.

ZOMBIE USER 11784
Regular Poster
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Post by ZOMBIE USER 11784 »

JasterW wrote:Yes, inking is good. Nobody's perfect, using a pencil drawing is like turning in your rough draft as you final paper. If you're really good, you can sometimes pull it off, but for the vast majority of us, you'll miss a whole lot of little mistakes that way (at the least). I'd recommend seeking out a blue pencil, drawing in that, and then using ink on top of that, and leaving color to the computer. That alone will make an unbelievably huge difference in the quality of your artwork, mostly because everyone will actually be able to see it.
Then I'll lose my grays and flow contexts.

Hey, I heard there's a spray that stops stuff like charcoal and graphite from fading. This being a big problem in GS, does anybody know where to get some.

ZOMBIE USER 11784
Regular Poster
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Okay, compromise

Post by ZOMBIE USER 11784 »

1. I'll ink the outlines of characters
2. The pencil colorings will stay.
3. Past comics will stay as they were. Any complaints about it can be filled up your ass.

ZOMBIE USER 11784
Regular Poster
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Okay, compromise

Post by ZOMBIE USER 11784 »

1. I'll ink the outlines of characters
2. The pencil colorings will stay.
3. Past comics will stay as they were. Any complaints about it can be filled up your ass.

ZOMBIE USER 11784
Regular Poster
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Okay, compromise

Post by ZOMBIE USER 11784 »

My life is full of double posts

ZOMBIE USER 8124
Regular Poster
Posts: 527
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Post by ZOMBIE USER 8124 »

Actually....All my stuff is done in pencil. Regular, #2 mechanical pencil of doom pencil that costs $5 a pop. But it has a twisty eraser.
As for working in pencil, it can be done with the proper clean up, and the right dpi. I scan all my stuff in at 100 for PSC, and 150 for other things. I never scan under 100 though. But, it would help to know what graphics program you are using, as the program could be doing more harm than good for your art. (IE MS Paint) It looks like you are using a program that doesn't handle cut and paste very well, and doesn't compensate for non-white spaced pixels (the colored grainy bits you find around pictures when you paste them into a true-white background. If paint it what you have, I know a few tricks that might be useful. Just let me know, I'm here to help, seeing as how I work in pencil too, ya know? We hafta stick togedder! ^_-

ZOMBIE USER 8124
Regular Poster
Posts: 527
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Post by ZOMBIE USER 8124 »

Actually....All my stuff is done in pencil. Regular, #2 mechanical pencil of doom pencil that costs $5 a pop. But it has a twisty eraser.
As for working in pencil, it can be done with the proper clean up, and the right dpi. I scan all my stuff in at 100 for PSC, and 150 for other things. I never scan under 100 though. But, it would help to know what graphics program you are using, as the program could be doing more harm than good for your art. (IE MS Paint) It looks like you are using a program that doesn't handle cut and paste very well, and doesn't compensate for non-white spaced pixels (the colored grainy bits you find around pictures when you paste them into a true-white background.) If paint it what you have, I know a few tricks that might be useful. Just let me know, I'm here to help, seeing as how I work in pencil too, ya know? We hafta stick togedder! ^_-

Oh, and hairspray is a cost effective simple way to seal pencil/charcol work.

ZOMBIE USER 11784
Regular Poster
Posts: 241
Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:26 am

Post by ZOMBIE USER 11784 »

Yanagi-San wrote:Actually....All my stuff is done in pencil. Regular, #2 mechanical pencil of doom pencil that costs $5 a pop. But it has a twisty eraser.
As for working in pencil, it can be done with the proper clean up, and the right dpi. I scan all my stuff in at 100 for PSC, and 150 for other things. I never scan under 100 though. But, it would help to know what graphics program you are using, as the program could be doing more harm than good for your art. (IE MS Paint) It looks like you are using a program that doesn't handle cut and paste very well, and doesn't compensate for non-white spaced pixels (the colored grainy bits you find around pictures when you paste them into a true-white background.) If paint it what you have, I know a few tricks that might be useful. Just let me know, I'm here to help, seeing as how I work in pencil too, ya know? We hafta stick togedder! ^_-

Oh, and hairspray is a cost effective simple way to seal pencil/charcol work.
Hey, someone that's not an ink nazi.

Well, I tried to make a comic with the media I listed on a post earlier. I'm beginning to hate ink. It'll be a wonder that I finish that comic.

I use some third-party crap called ArcSoft PhotoImpression.

I have a streak of bad luck like no one would believe. This DNDwas screwed up by ink. I fixed it by ripping the mouth open and scanning it. I also state what I thought, relearned, and now think about me using ink.

I also put story and gags above the art. Art would suffer because I wanted to get through Chapter three before June, when I'd graduate. Since art wasn't of the highest priority, it slipped.
JasterW wrote:That alone made me not want to read the comic, so I have no idea if the rest of it is any good or not
Well, the quality of my drawing improves throughout the year plus I've been drawing; so sorry you're gonna miss that.



Dumbass.

User avatar
McDuffies
Bob was here (Moderator)
Bob was here (Moderator)
Posts: 29957
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 1999 4:00 pm
Location: Serbia
Contact:

Post by McDuffies »

Did you just post 10 times multiple?

User avatar
Taiwanimation
Cartoon Hero
Posts: 1078
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 1999 4:00 pm
Location: Fremont, CA
Contact:

Post by Taiwanimation »

this is a single post
Image

User avatar
Fil3r
Regular Poster
Posts: 283
Joined: Wed Jul 31, 2002 11:27 pm
Location: The Planet England (actually, Washington State)
Contact:

Re: Okay, compromise

Post by Fil3r »

NikeYoung wrote:1. I'll ink the outlines of characters
2. The pencil colorings will stay.
3. Past comics will stay as they were. Any complaints about it can be filled up your ass.
Hey, there's an attitude that'll make people want to submit constructive criticism to you!

No one's telling you to change earlier strips (although if you WANTED to, I doubt anyone would COMPLAIN... this goes for anybody, really).

It's good that you're going to try inks, though! While there are some people that can do fantastic pencil illustration with even the lowliest Bic mechanical, their numbers are few. I know I'm certainly not one of them.

As for shading stuff with pencil, might I suggest a different kind? It looks to me like you're using a regular #2 or a mechanical: this does not typically yield the best results, especially if you're using a mechanical. Mechanicals work well for roughing out lineart, but for shading, it's best to use a softer-lead artists' pencil: generally, the softer the lead, the more even tones will typically turn out (but softer lead also limits your dark shades, of course).
"I am an Automaton Nuclear Neo-Human Android."

Post Reply