Copy and past. usefull time saver or lazy and off putting?

Dutch! · Post by **Dutch!** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:13 pm

Aw...Snake is consistently brilliant, provided you get the definite dry Australian taste of it.

But then again, you lot know I still enjoy Garfield, so you're probably not going to take me seriously anyway, eh?

Cope · Post by **Cope** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:20 pm

Dutch! wrote:But then again, you lot know I still enjoy Garfield, so you're probably not going to take me seriously anyway, eh?

Well, I for one am going to have a hard time taking you seriously if you believe I hold you in the slightest bit of contempt for liking something I don't.

Toxic · Post by **Toxic** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:17 pm

I think copying and pasting is cheating. You're obviously not helping yourself progress with your art skills if you copy and paste all the time. I've never used copy and pasting with art from one comic to another, but sometimes copy and pasting one frame in the same comic can be used creatively, such as one of Ghastly's comics(<<<Definitely NSFW, it's the hentai cocksucking one).

Taiwanimation · Post by **Taiwanimation** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:44 pm

If you got two people standing around and talking to each other, and you don't want to draw 4 different panels, just make it a bigger panel.

ShineDog · Post by **ShineDog** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:01 pm

ive done it from time to time

- most recently here, which feels utterly like cheating, and it doesnt even look good!

http://photobucket.com/albums/v76/Shine ... c1p1v1.jpg

i will sometimes use it to show an extended period of still, but even then, i usually copy paste my sketching and detail over the top anew.

Smight · Post by **Smight** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:29 pm

copying backgrounds is totally understandable.

Dutch! · Post by **Dutch!** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:29 am

Cope wrote:
Dutch! wrote:But then again, you lot know I still enjoy Garfield, so you're probably not going to take me seriously anyway, eh?
Well, I for one am going to have a hard time taking you seriously if you believe I hold you in the slightest bit of contempt for liking something I don't.

I should have put the

doova after that, eh? I forget that sometimes dry Australian humour doesn't translate well on paper. No worries.

Chibiartstudios · Post by **Chibiartstudios** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:33 am

HeDanny wrote:In all honesty once EOI strayed from the copy / paste (around the time W00t showed up) I started to loose interest.
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Huh... That's about the time I gained an interest. I guess people can just see things differently. And bessides, Would he have been half the artist that he is had he kept C&Ping?

Prettydragoon · Post by **Prettydragoon** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:39 am

JexKerome wrote:So no cut and paste for me, thank you. If a comic uses it, I skip it.

Jops · Post by **Jops** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:43 am

Copy-pasting, for me, is acceptable only when you want to display your characters doing nothing as the time passes.
Like when out of puzzlement they just keep staring for 2 or 3 panels at whatever/whoever puzzled them, without moving at all.

Paul.Power · Post by **Paul.Power** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:18 am

I use it a fair bit, though I worry when I do. Mainly because the way I draw my worms is so inconsistent that copy/paste stands out a mile. Sometimes it works better than others - for example, in this strip I used copy/paste for frames 5 and 6, with a few modifications:

http://bootcamp.keenspace.com/d/20041020.html

I also think it works okay here (frames 5 and 6, and frames 7 and 8 ):

http://bootcamp.keenspace.com/d/20041120.html

In both those cases I feel it works because there's a deliberate sense of shock/surprise on the part of the characters. On other occasions I think it came out worse, sometimes because I didn't think I drew the original panel too well, sometimes because it didn't seem appropriate:

http://bootcamp.keenspace.com/d/20041018.html
http://bootcamp.keenspace.com/d/20041022.html
http://bootcamp.keenspace.com/d/20041113.html

In fairness, most of these are relatively early. I'm trying to be more cautious with it of late, keeping it for backgrounds. I've also tried to correct my "drawing inconsistency" fault by starting to use "blueprints": having very basic circle-and-line "scaffoldings" of the characters, from which I draw the actual character on a different layer. Hopefully it'll make them look a bit more consistent without copy/paste.

BOMC · Post by **BOMC** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:03 am

I have used copy and paste only twice in BOMC, I think... and both times it was needed.

I think both of the reasons have been mentioned before, but here they are again.

1) To show characters sitting around and being bored.

2) To highlight a very minute detail (in this case, an eyebrow raising).

Now, it's not that I am lazy: I attempted to redraw each panel. But just drawing the characters in the same pose, from the same angle for even just 2 panels gets boring. However, it was neccessary for the gags that the panels looked the same, so I copied and pasted.

Copy and paste does bother me when there is no reason that the panels should look the same, though. But i don't think you should say "NEVER use it".

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:59 am

*Takes off BOMC from fav list*

Nyo

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:12 pm

JexKerome wrote:*Takes off BOMC from fav list*

Nyo

It's only important that I'm still there.

Tarotreader3 · Post by **Tarotreader3** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:53 pm

i use it, and i love it. if it's good enough for real life comics, then it's good enough for me.

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:54 am

mcDuffies wrote:
JexKerome wrote:*Takes off BOMC from fav list*

Nyo
It's only important that I'm still there.

*Goes looking for cut & paste on McDUffies*

If it's there, I WILL find it.

KeenCrow · Post by **KeenCrow** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:59 am

Once upon a time I made a cut-n-paste stick figure comic, and I'm not very proud of it. Actually, I've completely removed it from the web. It's always better to have less of a schedule, and more real artwork, even if it's not very pretty.

One always gains more respect when they attempt to improve upon their skills, as compared to continuing indefinitely in mediocrity.

BOMC · Post by **BOMC** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:53 am

JexKerome wrote:*Takes off BOMC from fav list*

Nyo

Fine, be that way! I don't want to be on your stinky ol' fav list, anyways!

Mr Ekshin · Post by **Mr Ekshin** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:16 pm

If you use a computer, C/P goes with the territory.

I used to have disdain for it until I started working with flash. Then I realized how quickly the topic became a non-issue. Depending on the medium, it might be absolutely essential.

I've seen it used for the good effect of continuity and consistancy. That works with backgrounds or split-second changes from one scene to the next. Probably a bunch more uses.

Also seen it used by artists where the dialog was much more important than the character movement. "Gluemeat" comes to mind, and I like it. Actually I Gluemeat looks like flash, so it's probably best to consider the characters as "Objects" that can be re-used as necessary.

The pixel art comics HAVE to use it, so it's a non-issue.

I've used it for effect, but not to be lazy. Also, my rants make note whenever I do.

I prefer to keep trying to draw new shots, but I'm trying to get 3d models completed, so in the future I'll just be playing with dolls.

Ultimately this kind of question applies to the "We actually draw our work" bunch. Among them I guess it might be frowned upon or something.

Whether hand-drawn, copied, photographed, or modeled, all I care about is for the finished product to be worth viewing.

Peas.

Tarotreader3 · Post by **Tarotreader3** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:26 pm

One always gains more respect when they attempt to improve upon their skills, as compared to continuing indefinitely in mediocrity.

but even when you cut and paste you still improve. you can create new objects, new movements, new features... it just allows for a more consistant look... and while I agree that if you've got the whole "drawing thing" down, then go for that if you can make it consistant, but there are so many comics out there with horrible art that it's just painful to look at... and that really hurts too. It's kinda a trade off I guess... but as I said before even the big dogs use their cut and paste, and if they can use it and be loved, then anyone can.