Keenspace Sampler Minicomic -- See new thread for mirrors.

Stucifer the maligned · Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:21 pm

* Super Fight Fight
* War
* Alex and Ilia
* Twice Destined
* Pirate Queen Marianne
* Insanity for the Poor
* Burgundy
* Faub
* Gleaners
* A.N.T.s

i voted for ten, although i really just wanted to vote for super fight fight ten times. that wouldn't be productive, now would it? would it?! as for covers, i'd like to see war's second one. i'd vote for more, but these are the ones that i liked a lot, if it helps.

if this sampler thing is a success (or an unmitigated disaster), we should work towards doing it again (or more often!). also, if anyone wants their printed 'space comics distributed in my town, just PM me.

War · Post by **War** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:43 am

War · Post by **War** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:23 am

It does look very pretty printed...

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:52 pm

Three people voted for my picks out of the eight who have voted. Stop that. I'm really hoping to get complete layouts from people. Arrange the pages. Think about how they will appear together in the finished product. Do we include the introduction or not? Do you have a different (better) take on the introduction you would like to see or maybe a fix to the one I wrote?

A quick tally of the votes:

Covers:
Remember, front cover, back cover and inside back cover are fair game.
The inside front cover will be an artist list and copyright info.
Mine: 3 front 2 back
War's: 3
Soap's: 1

Content:
Alex & Ilia 7
Digital War 7
Pirate Queen M. 7
A.N.T.S. 6
Cortland 6
Desolation Angel T. 6
FAUB 6
Gleaners 6
Insanity f t Poor 6
Super Fight Fight 6
Twice Destined 6
Burgundy Comics 5
McDuffies 5
Nahast - LOS 5
Seed of Judgement 5
World Warp 5
1 Br. Apt. 4
Decypher 4
Requiem 4
Introduction 4
Horrendous Acts 1

Keep the votes coming. If you are not voting for 20 pages or more, please indicate the size of the final comic you would like to see. As it is, we can fit EVERYONE in the final comic if no introduction is included (28 pages).

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:36 pm

Sorry, Faub, but I'm not much of a graphic designer. I can only say that I think I would like to see War's "Bears" as the cover, and your "Hey You!" as the back cover. Maybe we could have the TOC on Soap's cover inside of the front cover? (I don't know if that would work, or if Soap would even like the idea of her cover being delegated to being the background for a table of contents...) But, basically, I can only say which comics, if it comes down to a situation where we cannot have everyone in it, I would like to see representing the online community here; this "space", if you will, of keen comics.

Also, I do think an introduction would be very useful, but other than what has been said, and without pulling unauthorized quotes from books (like "Reinventing Comics"), I don't know what else could be said.

I know that, for myself, when talking to people about webcomics, I tend to focus on the fact that, with so many comics on the internet it is nearly impossible to not find a comic that appeals to anyone's style of humor and entertainment: idiot-styled gag comics, biting-satirical commentary comics, epic-sweeping adventure fantasies, introspective and thought-provoking dramatics, and much, much more. When it comes to webcomics, there is truly something for everyone. In the giant, commerical, repetitive spaces of the Internet there is truly nothing as unique and individual as the emerging Internet comic revolution.

P.S. Sorry to change my vote (if I can), but I need to specify: War's for the front and Faub's for the back, but I really don't want to abandon Soap's: so her's somewhere in the project if possible.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:50 pm

If soap ever finishes her cover, I think it will match or better War's, though I do like the idea of having mine as a back cover. It's fitting in a way (telling someone off for thumbing through the book and putting it down.)

You don't really need to be a graphic designer to make a list. Joel had some good points in the previous thread about how to order the pages.

IVstudios · Post by **IVstudios** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:07 pm

Ok He's my votes:

Front cover: Wars "Deadly Bear Attacks

Soap Soaperson · Post by **Soap Soaperson** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:44 pm

The inking alone has taken about 8-9 hours, about half of which was Kisai. I'm putting off doing paid art for this, so please let me know if I should spend about the same amount of time coloring it (I'm a slow digital painter).

The characters featured are the one listed in faub's first post! If you're not in here and you've submitted a minicomic (even if you don't know if you'll get voted in), LET ME KNOW NOW! I can still add you in! Also -- the clarity will be fixed. I just needed to post this now, because I was getting antsy about it.

IVstudios · Post by **IVstudios** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:49 pm

Very cool

As for the coloring, I think you should leave it B&W and we should use it as sort of a title/introduction/whatever page. But that just my opinion.

Soap Soaperson · Post by **Soap Soaperson** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:18 pm

And you have a right to it!

Still, I'm definitely gonna go against War (whose cover may > mine due to bear-age) for the cover-spot.

I put off two commissions for what I've done so far (I am stupid), so I might as well put 'em off a little longer. I think I'll just go ahead and color it, as I've been dying to color some scanned lineart with my tablet.

Someone -- Phactorri, I think -- had the idea of alternating covers for a collector-dealie. If the votes are too close, maybe it's an option? But it'd mean more work for people assembling the comics. Bleh.

War · Post by **War** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:27 pm

Actually it might be a good idea. Seeing as I'd be printing the cover seperately from the main body of the comic anyway it might as well be a seperate pdf.

Caduceus · Post by **Caduceus** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:55 pm

Seperate cover file is actually a very good idea. You probably won't be printing the covers and inside pages on the same printer anyway.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:19 pm

It is a good point about making the cover a separate file. It would make printing the content and cover a bit easier. I would like to keep the cover and the content together so people dont' just end up with one or the other. Distributing them together in a zip file is probably the best way. The trick will be ensuring the package is distributed together. The nice part about a single PDF is that it's very difficult to break up.

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:58 am

Soap, that's...

And now you wonder why everyone wants to s. y. u.

Bek · Post by **Bek** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:54 am

Soap, is that Tripod as a flying pirate bunny??? If so, I must be sure he never sees this, or we will all perish.

Very nice. Honestly, I really like both, and I think both will appeal to different audiences. Maybe we could include both and people can print which one they think would work best for their target audience? I'd probably do a 50/50 split and put both out. The "real" comics publishers have alternate covers, why can't we?

And yes, I'm gonna vote later today, I need to finish going through the options.h

Soap Soaperson · Post by **Soap Soaperson** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:06 am

bek wrote:Soap, is that Tripod as a flying pirate bunny??? If so, I must be sure he never sees this, or we will all perish.

Nope, I used the green dude in your avatar for the picture! The pink creature with the eyepatch is from Birdie's Super Fight Fight. Anyway, thanks for the support, y'all!

Click here to see the updated progress (I replaced the lineart). It's still not done, but I'm working on it!

War and I spoke in the chat yesterday, and agreed that his image is more of an actual cover, while my picture teeters over in poster-pin-up territory.

But I'll still color it to make it as eyecatching as I can!

Bek · Post by **Bek** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:29 am

Oh yeah! Surfing stoner frog. Love it!

Here's my vote and order. I included everyone who drew a comic for it as opposed to a single image splash page. Among the single-images, I went for those that had the most information about the comic. By my count, that meant that two one-pagers had to be left out (29 submission pages-27content pages). Nothing at all against those I left off.

For the order, I spaced out the multi-page one so there wouldn't be too many one-pagers all together. I also put FAUB accross the middle (where the staple is), because that's where most people will flip it open, and the art is very eye-catching.

1 - intro
2 - Twice Destined (pretty+mostly nekkid=good opener)
3 - Cortland
4 - Cortland
5 - SFF
6 - Alex and Ilia
7 - Requiem
8 - Requiem
9 - Requiem
10 - Seed of Justice
11 - Burgandy Comics Inc.
12 - Gleaners
13 - FAUB
14 - FAUB
15 - FAUB
16 - ANTS
17 - World Warp
18 - Digital War
19 - Digital War
20 - Horrendous Acts
21 - 1 Br. Apt.
22 - 1 Br. Apt.
23 - 1 Br. Apt.
24 - Desolation Angel Tango
25 - McDuffies
26 - McDuffies
27 - Decypher
28 - Mahast

Just a question - do the covers come out of the 28 page total? If so, I can edit this.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:25 pm

No. The cover doesn't count toward the 28 pages.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:35 pm

Originals:

1 Br Apt (Bek) from previous thread:
http://onebrapt.keenspace.com/sampler.html

Burgundy Comics (CJ Burgundy) from the previous thread:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/cjburgandy/Burgundy.png

Cortland (Cortland) from previous thread:
http://www.cornstalker.com/cartoons/big ... omic-1.tif
http://www.cornstalker.com/cartoons/big ... omic-2.tif

Digital War (War) from previous thread:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/digitalwar/page1.png
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/digitalwar/page2.png

Fallen Angels Used Books (faub) from just now because I was lazy:
The single cover-like page
Page 1 of the short story
Page 2 of the short story

Horrendous Acts (stucifer the maligned) from earlier in the thread:
http://horrendousacts.keenspace.com/ima ... dousAD.png

Nahast - Land of Strife (Coyotzin) from previous thread:
http://nahast.coyotzin.net/images/sampler_nahastpr.png

Pirate Queen Marianne (Stephen Henderson-Grady) from earlier in the thread:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/ ... ampler.png

Requiem (Maxim Kovalenko) from my PM:
http://home.comcast.net/~James_Roden/my ... ission.zip

World Warp (IV Studios) from earlier in the thread:
http://ivstudios.keenspace.com/images/a ... advo-1.gif

We still need originals from:
Alex and Ilia (RPin)
A.N.T. (Ida)
Decypher (phactorri)
Desolation Angel Tango (hartchamber)
Gleaners (doggett)
Insanity for the Poor (KrisX) <-- she's redoing her page
McDuffies (McDuffies)
Seed of Judgement (Esoterik)
Super Fight Fight (supernerdcore)
Twice Destined (TheLoserHero)

I will be PMing these people. 8) Sorry if I PMed anybody twice accidentally.

Cover art originals:
FAUB: http://faub.keenspace.com/artloader.htm ... _cover.png

We still need Soap's cover which she's working on it.
War has the 300 dpi version of his cover but no link yet.

Birdie · Post by **Birdie** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:23 pm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/ ... micgif.gif

Here is mine Faub. I feel bad not posting in this thread really, I don't feel right voting for comics because I don't think I'm the best judge but to everyone who said thumbs up to me, that makes me so happy I think I could cry.