If you could rename Keenspace, what would you rename it as?

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:42 pm

Phalanx wrote:NOW we're talking sense, people!

Aw, no. Quick, someone! Derail the thread!

- Joel Fagin

Ghastly · Post by **Ghastly** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:48 pm

Any new name we get is still going to be a trademark of Keen and thus they will not allow us to use it without authorization. A new name isn't going to fix any of our problems. It'll just mean people won't neccessarily think of Keenspot and us as being part of the same parent organization.

Luprand · Post by **Luprand** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:52 pm

Joel Fagin wrote:
Phalanx wrote:NOW we're talking sense, people!
Aw, no. Quick, someone! Derail the thread!

- Joel Fagin

DOOMBEES!

--Sij

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:54 pm

RPin wrote:There were tons of wonderful and popular Space comics that were denied a place on Spot before and you know it, Ping. I still believe that HUGE discussion was crucial on making Crosby getting up on his ass to invite EOI, Saturnalia and CYS to be on Spot. Yes, maybe he was intending to. But it was our bitching, on the thread and before it that made him go further on that decision.

Whoa now Pin. You misunderstood me.

Indeed, I agree that Keenspot was really sleeping on the job for some time, and they lost a lot of good comics as a reuslt, but what we did with that thread was make SURE they knew about the comics and why they should be spotted. Like you so eloquently put it, we made them get up on their asses to the invitations which otherwise might have taken god-knows-how long.

But my point is, if they didn't want to SPOT CYS or EOI, we couldn't have made them do it, not with all the bitching in the world.

I dunno... Maybe it's because I have this bitchy nature (I'm even worse than Ghastly), I think it's unfair to classify complaining as doing nothing. I too got up on my ass to do something for Space, and I already told you how I was interested into filling the designer position of the Space Wranglers. But experience has shown me that bitching and whinning brings out more results than not, as long as are reasonable about it.

Of course you're right. I have been careless with my wordings indeed! When I said complaining I was thinking of pointless complaining.

But the type of complaining that gets things done is reasonable complaining. And reasonable complaining to the right person. Preferably to someone who's listening. And knowing when to stop.

And for bitchy natures, I think we're all guilty to some measure of it

I know I am!

BTW, how's 'Discovery Comics' for the alias? Too documentary-ish?

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:09 pm

Ghastly wrote:Any new name we get is still going to be a trademark of Keen and thus they will not allow us to use it without authorization. A new name isn't going to fix any of our problems. It'll just mean people won't neccessarily think of Keenspot and us as being part of the same parent organization.

Pffft! Don't be so determinedly disagreeable, you customer!

It's just your opinion it won't fix ANY of our problems, but you don't KNOW that.

It's not going to fix ALL our problems, but it's going to fix at least one. And that is the Keenspot won't be able to groan about 'brand confusion' anymore and keep us from using the name. And that's good enough to start with. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Bottomline is, we've been using Keenspace for ages, and they've never cared until the Keenspot/Keenspace issue came up.

Keenspot is not going to care as much what we do with the name if it doesn't effect them.

As for the not wanting the parent organisation thing: You're absolutely right! We are disassociating ourselves! Who WANTS to be part of a parent organisation that doesn't want us? Give us our own identity, any hard work we do, we reap the rewards ourselves. Keenspot is disassociated with us? It was always disassociated with us anyway.

We're like kids who don't get along with their parents but still living in their house. If the parents don't want any part of the kids, the most sensible solution would be for the kids to move out and make their own way in the world. And if we're as good as you say, there is nothing to be afraid of. We take the challenges as they come. We will not be afraid.

If even after the name change (IF IT HAPPENS) and Keenspot still doesn't allow us to use the name, THEN we complain. But otherwise, it's silly to complain about something that MIGHT happen.

RPin · Post by **RPin** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:37 pm

Phalanx wrote:But my point is, if they didn't want to SPOT CYS or EOI, we couldn't have made them do it, not with all the bitching in the world.

Well... We wouldn't be pushing them if they weren't awesome comics to begin with, would we?

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:56 pm

Phalanx wrote:
RPin wrote:There were tons of wonderful and popular Space comics that were denied a place on Spot before and you know it, Ping. I still believe that HUGE discussion was crucial on making Crosby getting up on his ass to invite EOI, Saturnalia and CYS to be on Spot. Yes, maybe he was intending to. But it was our bitching, on the thread and before it that made him go further on that decision.
Whoa now Pin. You misunderstood me.

Indeed, I agree that Keenspot was really sleeping on the job for some time, and they lost a lot of good comics as a reuslt, but what we did with that thread was make SURE they knew about the comics and why they should be spotted. Like you so eloquently put it, we made them get up on their asses to the invitations which otherwise might have taken god-knows-how long.

But my point is, if they didn't want to SPOT CYS or EOI, we couldn't have made them do it, not with all the bitching in the world.

Ah, but that exactly is the thing. Without bitching and whining, he'd still be sleeping on job, and they might've missed CYS and EOI. To rephrase your last statement, if we didn't want CYS and EOI SPOTTED, we wouldn't make them do it. Or something like that.
I think, apart from sleeping on the job that you said, at that moment a trend was pulling comics from other places, indy, even MT. I think that was the moment when fab 4 turned their heads to space, first time after the wave in which Framed and SCV were spotted.
I think that without paying their attention to the right side, be it through E-mails or forum, EOI and CYS maybe wouldn't be spotted at all.

After all, is it impossible that someone, during this conversation, mentioned some idea, maybe even neglected at first, that fab 4 four will find preciouss and use for the better of space and spot, although they themselves wouldn't think of it in the first place?

Taiwanimation · Post by **Taiwanimation** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:53 pm

There were tons of wonderful and popular Space comics that were denied a place on Spot before and you know it, Ping. I still believe that HUGE discussion was crucial on making Crosby getting up on his ass to invite EOI, Saturnalia and CYS to be on Spot. Yes, maybe he was intending to. But it was our bitching, on the thread and before it that made him go further on that decision.

Tons? I'd say at most a few dozen, which is approximately 1% of the KS user/customer/employee/whatever base. KS's covers such a wide range of userloads that no single system will make everyone happy.

Improving the technical infrastructure, however, is something that will benefit everybody. So lets focus our attention there rather than symbolic issues.

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:49 pm

RPin wrote:
Phalanx wrote:But my point is, if they didn't want to SPOT CYS or EOI, we couldn't have made them do it, not with all the bitching in the world.
Well... We wouldn't be pushing them if they weren't awesome comics to begin with, would we?

McD wrote:Ah, but that exactly is the thing. Without bitching and whining, he'd still be sleeping on job, and they might've missed CYS and EOI.

No one's disputing that. But what I was saying that, Keenspot did not Spot a comic just because of bitching and whining. The bitching and whining attracted the attention, but ultimately the decision to spot was done elsewhere and on their own.

To rephrase your last statement, if we didn't want CYS and EOI SPOTTED, we wouldn't make them do it. Or something like that.

Eh? *is dizzy*

Taiwamanimation wrote:Tons? I'd say at most a few dozen, which is approximately 1% of the KS user/customer/employee/whatever base. KS's covers such a wide range of userloads that no single system will make everyone happy.

Improving the technical infrastructure, however, is something that will benefit everybody. So lets focus our attention there rather than symbolic issues.

Hear hear!

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:35 am

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Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:37 am

- Joel Fagin

Luprand · Post by **Luprand** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:38 am

Seconded.

--Sij

Bekka · Post by **Bekka** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:55 am

I'm really worried to learn that Kisai doesn't have free access to fix technical problems and that whoever has it isn't interested.
To be honest, while the whole discussion was "'spotters disrespect us" my feeling was, yeah well, tell me why I should care? I don't even know them and neither do my readers. I need the approval of strangers like the Pope needs a Koran.

The Kisai issue though is very worrying. If this ends up in her leaving for WCN, and no active technical person replacing her, the best thing we could do is follow her, because this place will be going to the shitter, as far as stability, support, etc. Hopefully though, they'll give her full access.

Another worrying thing is the fact that we can't use the name, although I'd wait and see if that's resolved by the name change.

My only contact with the Fab 4 was with Gav on the 'spot board, and whether you love or hate his opinions, he seems to be a very nice and open minded guy. Surely he'll listen to constructive suggestions, about Kisai and about freedom to use our future name? After all, it wouldn't be in their interest if people here started leaving in droves.

For the name, let's suggest customercomics

And finally, I present you Ghastly and the 'spacers, with Ghastly as the little girl and the 'spacers as the goat (just kiddin' Ghastly, I wub j00!):

http://www.petnzoo.com

RPin · Post by **RPin** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:16 am

Taiwanimation wrote:Tons?

You have a serious language problem if you thought I could be using a measure unit meant for weight and adapt it to webcomics without the sake of exaggeration.

AndrewTaylor · Post by **AndrewTaylor** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:49 am

My webcomic weighs exactly four metres.

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:57 am

mcDuffies wrote:Comic

Dammit McD!

Here's the second version of list. Yell if I missed anythign out.

Popular Names
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NewFront Comics
Inkspace
DoomBees
Bring It On! Comics
VileTerror
Openspace
SpotFree
Myriad Comics
StudioSpace
Collectivesass.com
Collectiveass.com
goshnifty.com
DNR Comics (DNR = Do Not Reply)

Original Names
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BAMFcomics
Comic Cosmos
Komicry
Idola
Eidola
Asylum
NotSpace
Inksots
Comic Blitz
Bedlam (because if you get involved in the forums, it is)
The Webcomic Melting Pot
SpleenCase
KMallet
Comic Drop
CosmicCarnival
InkAsylum
Comic Commons
PixelComics
Dependent Comics (for short Dy comics)
Inkarama
comicsgalore
webcomicsvillage
comicsvillage
Brain dump
Ten Thousand Voices
Aces and Kings
Framed Images
4WX (4th Wall Broken)
Amateur Hour
Comic Life
Against the Grain
MentalProbe
DollarFiftyComics
Voxels
The International Online Comic Arts Society (IOCAS)
FribbleFrabble
killercomics.com
supermister.com
gollygosh.com
Comic Kiwi
InkBolt
InkBlot
ComicMedian.com
/cybersquats
Comiquest.com
Comiquarium.com
Comixnmatch.com
Comicopia.org (.Com and .Net are taken)
Panelpushers.com
Sceneplace.com (rhymes!)
Sceneplot.com (rhymes with Keenspot)
Comicease.com
Multicomics.com
You Customer! Comics

Names with Space in Them
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ComicSpace
GhastlySpace
Komixspace
Kwikispace
Studiospace
Panelplace
Creationspace
Doublespace
Officespace
Kinkspace
Keepspace
Kilnspace
Coinspace
FreeSpace
Graphics Space
Slip Space
Drunk Space
PupkinSpace
Artspace
Storyspace
Web Space
Blingspace
allthatspace
allofspace.com
nomorespace.net
doodlespace.com
AuspiciouSpace or AuspiciousSpace
PropitiouSpace or PropitiousSpace
NeotericSpace
NeroticSpace
PertSpace
InventiveSpace
TheWorkSpace
DepictionSpace
StoryboardSpace
BigSpace
YourSpace
Kspace
assspace
Terror Space
Vile Space

Names with Keen in Them
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Keenspork
Keenspank
Keenspiffy
Keenspunky Brewster
Keenspoof
Keensparf
Keensparta
Keensplink
Keenspoon
Keenspill
Keensport
Keenhouse
Keencomics
Keensplinter-in-the-side
KeenUniverse
KeenSuckFpot
KeenWorks
KeenTemps
KeenEdge
KeenFree
KeenLagoon
KeenStage

Names with Spot in Them
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SpotLess
BlackSpot

I'm Not Sure if these are Serious Names
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Noodle-something
Wild American Nuns Gyrating (WANG)
Pickle-something or something-pickle
There'sAComicInMySpace
There'sASpaceInMyLizard
There'sASpaceInMyBathroom
There'sABathroomInMyComic
There'sALizardInMyGraphicNovel
Steve
AreYouReallySure.
ImboredLetsStartAWebcomic.
readmycomic
BoopBiddilyOpBiddilyOpBopBopBopBop.com
OhMyGodMyEyesAreBleeding.com

JexKerome · Post by **JexKerome** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:45 am

Kisai wrote: This is WHY you should not hardlink your domain in your links. (flying in face of the suggestion posted on the help forums that putting the full domain is the best way, it isn't. /images/image.jpg is the correct way).

KISAI, I TRUSTED YOU!!

How could you?!

Now I've got to go and change everything back the way it was. Serves me right for setting you up on a pedestal...

On a related news, has the list been submitted to the Powers that Be?

And quit bitchin' bout "spottin' and spacin'" y'all nyo.

RandomActs · Post by **RandomActs** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:56 am

Although I'm clearly not as involved in the Keenspace community as some of the other Creators here, and I've recently undergone a dry spell in my updating (due to real life obligations), I do count myself as a proud member of Keenspace and have an opinion.

But first a comment or two. Everywhere I've worked, whether it be Grocery sales, Interior Decorating, the Military, there was this same "class" battle. In grocery it was the Full Time Stockers vs. the Part Time Stockers; in Interior Dec, it was the Designers vs the Shop guys, and in the Military it was the Officers vs. the Enlisted. Why is this applicable here? Because in both cases the opinions of both groups were pointless to some degree due to the third group, the owners.

I make the analogy of Field Slaves vs House Slaves in the Old South, guess what, both groups are slaves. We shouldn't be fighting among ourselves.

With that said, as to potential names, I really like SpotFree, but it sounds a little petty. I really like KeenFree. I think that would cut down the amount of confusion (which I don't feel there is a lot of).

"Hey what's the one that has free hosting?"
"Why, KeenFREE of course..."

Just my opinion.

McBean · Post by **McBean** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:24 am

Taiwanimation wrote:Let's name our site after a forumer, we could be VileTerror.com

I swear, if you do I will leave and never do anything nice for anyone/thing associated with the former keenspace, ever again.

AndrewTaylor · Post by **AndrewTaylor** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 8:39 am

RandomActs wrote: With that said, as to potential names, I really like SpotFree, but it sounds a little petty. I really like KeenFree. I think that would cut down the amount of confusion (which I don't feel there is a lot of).

"Hey what's the one that has free hosting?"
"Why, KeenFREE of course..."

Just my opinion.

I'd've thought anyone with a modicum of sense could have worked it out from Spot and Space.

KeenSpace offer space. If the comic is spotted, it may get Spotted and end up on Spot.

But then, I saw Space first through Spot. Maybe if I'd seen them at a convention (yeah, like I'd go to a convention) I wouldn't know.

AND SOMEONE DEFAULT BBCODE TO ON! PLEASE!