Finishing off your comic....

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:27 am

Oh Lego, you say the sweetest things.

Dr Legostar · Post by **Dr Legostar** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:37 am

Take me now.

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:43 am

You can buy me a drink first.

Dr Legostar · Post by **Dr Legostar** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:47 am

are you saying you've got to be liquored up?

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:09 pm

Can I watch?

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:12 pm

Depends. How much money ya got?

TheSuburbanLetdown · Post by **TheSuburbanLetdown** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:22 pm

I got $237 in my wallet right now.

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:40 pm

Don't think that's gonna cover it....

OBS · Post by **OBS** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:04 pm

mcDuffies wrote:You say you put your comic on net because you can, because it's a free host, etc. By same logic applied you can apply yourself to all comic directories - because they're there, because they're free, etc. And hey, you could also link it in your sig - it's there, it's free, maybe noone will notice it, even, because there's one beneath every post. Hey, you could end up the worst webcomic whole, just following the line of "because it's there".

Yep. That's how it is. But the sig is pretty much a closed matter. I consider linking the comic in my sig as advertising and I'm not allowed to advertise because I choose not to.

Yeah...

mcDuffies wrote:By placing a comic on internet, you are inviting people to read it, indirectly. Whatever you do in public is directed to someone, done with intention, a little cry for more or less attention - not neccesarily attention to you, but to your comic certainly.

Shishio mentioned it in a eariler post, but to reiterate:

Shishio wrote:However, at this time, my only reward for making my comic, is having made a comic. And so at this time, my only obligation is to myself and my artist.

I'm not trying to draw attention to myself with the comic, nor to pull in readers. Even if having it exist on CG might indirectly and unintentionaly invite someone to read it, I won't care what that reader's feeling and thought on the comic are. It doesn't concern me or interest me what they think, nobody asked them to read or forced it upon them anyway, and the last thing I want to do is corner people into reading the coimic.

Therefore, the only other reason I can think of the comic existing on CG would be for self-fulfillment.

mcDuffies wrote:Furthermore, your acting on this forum is begging for even more attention. You're aware that many people are wondering what's your comic like now, and I am certain that you're enjoying this mystification.

Bull. Why would anyone on the CG forums worry themself over someone as faceless as me? Just ignore me and mingle about with the other fourmites, they've got full and interesting things to talk about.

You are, however, mistaking my isolation for mystification; something that seems to be a negitive by-product of forum communication.

mcDuffies wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again, you can draw comics and put them into closet or keep them in your diary, but whenever you hang them on wall, pring them or post them on internet, you're asking people for those few seconds of attention that takes them to read it.

So why can't people (readers) just ignore them? If a painting hangs on a wall, do you HAVE to look at it and acknowlage that it exists? Couldn't someone simply just walk by the painting and not know or care that they ignored it?

Guess what? I'm shooting at the same thing; people ignoring it and only reading the comic if the actually want to read it without being pressured or otherwise told/convinced to read it.

But then again, they aren't suppose to feel anything for the comic. It is, after all, just an image.

mcDuffies wrote:Besides, this is a very unfair play. By hiding your comic, you're escaping people's judgement. Whenever any of us makes a statement about making comics, any other person can jump to his comic, and see his comic-making principles at work, see if those principles result in actual good comics. You, on the other hand, don't give us that chance.

Then do the logical thing and ignore me if I can't prove that I practice what I preach about comics. How hard can it be? It's not like any of my post are particularly eye-catching or insightful.

Just like the comic; if you don't like what you see, who's forcing you to read it?

mcDuffies wrote:So ok, give the link, show guts. Show us those controversial ideas at work. Let us see if this detachment, can actually have any good results. If a comic can be good if a "reader donesn't feel anything". I bet it can't.

Advertising is no-no. You know how I operate.

Komiyan · Post by **Komiyan** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:27 pm

Why do you put it on the internet if it's only for you?

The Neko · Post by **The Neko** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:47 pm

Because he secretly wants attention, that someone will come across it and not notice the glaring problems and somehow believe it to be a work of genius. UNDERGROUND HIT, YO!

Komiyan · Post by **Komiyan** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:49 pm

You ruined my cover of politeness

OBS · Post by **OBS** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:08 pm

Oh yeah! When I challenge the big names and rise to webcomic greatness, you'll be sorry... YOU'LL ALL BE SORRY!! The story of a punk-ska band and their talking pie will not fail; I'll ride this train to the top and step on all those losers.

~~~

Honestly, is self-fulfillment misunderstood?

Rcmonroe · Post by **Rcmonroe** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:12 pm

When somebody is essentially repeating the words "Please Ignore Me!"—regardless of whether you believe him to be sincere or calling out for attention—it seems to me the best recourse is to grant him his request.

Komiyan · Post by **Komiyan** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:12 pm

Why do you put it on the internet if it's only for you?

Black Sparrow · Post by **Black Sparrow** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:15 pm

Komiyan wrote:
Why do you put it on the internet if it's only for you?

Dr Legostar · Post by **Dr Legostar** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:03 pm

Black Sparrow wrote:
Komiyan wrote:
Why do you put it on the internet if it's only for you?

i just wanted to join in.

Tetsuo75 · Post by **Tetsuo75** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:37 pm

legostargalactica wrote:
Black Sparrow wrote:
Komiyan wrote:
i just wanted to join in.

This is the quote that never ends, it just goes on and on my friend....

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:05 am

Bull. Why would anyone on the CG forums worry themself over someone as faceless as me? Just ignore me and mingle about with the other fourmites, they've got full and interesting things to talk about.

Bah, your words are saying that but every other action of yours is saying different.

So why can't people (readers) just ignore them? If a painting hangs on a wall, do you HAVE to look at it and acknowlage that it exists? Couldn't someone simply just walk by the painting and not know or care that they ignored it?

Guess what? I'm shooting at the same thing; people ignoring it and only reading the comic if the actually want to read it without being pressured or otherwise told/convinced to read it.

Well for starters, they first have to anknowledge the existence to see if it's worth an intention. To see if your comic is worth reading, I have to read it first = investment of time and effort. So your idea is wrong from the very definition.
I can appreciate the idea of not forcing readers to read something with agressive campaign and stuff, but I am not accepting that you bear no responsibility for your comic and readers because of that, and I am absolutely convinced that it's not true that you don't care about whether someone's gonna read it or not. In fact, responsibility is even greater because the readership is carefully chosen through such approach.

Then do the logical thing and ignore me if I can't prove that I practice what I preach about comics. How hard can it be? It's not like any of my post are particularly eye-catching or insightful.

Just like the comic; if you don't like what you see, who's forcing you to read it?

In fact, your posts are eye-catching because they are usually expressing something that I think are reclessly wrong and, pardon the expression, ignorant attitudes. Text is the main thing on forums, I'll read it all indiscriminately, and if you post something like that, of course that attracts my attention. That you have no avatar or whatever bares no significance on how eye-catchy your post will be, because images are secondary thing on forums.
Of course, it's helped by visual aid here and there. For instance, here where you start by quoting something I generally agree with and are followed by a page or two of responses - how is that not catchy?
Oh yeah, I forgot. It's not your fault, it's everybody else's fault. It's always someone else's fault.

It's as if you're shoving yourself into my face and asking me to ignore you.

Advertising is no-no. You know how I operate.

And that's where the strongest confirmation of what Neko said is. If you were to give a link, that would lessen the controverse. Instead, you choose to keep the controverse, allegedly sticking to the feeble policy of "no advertising". But how is posting a link on someone's request an advertising? One measily textual link, burried under the pile of other posts? There would be nothing more "eye-catching or insightful" in it than in any other post of yours, so in your own terms we'd be free to ignore it as much as any other post.
This behaviour is not the behaviour of one who doesn't care if his comic is seen or not. It's the behaviour of someone who doesn't want US to see his comic.

So what does it sum up to?
You act in a way that helps keep the mystery, but you claim that mystery veil is not your doing.
You post comic as an implicit invitation to people to read your comic, but you claim that this invitation is not your doing.
You post things that beg to be answered but the arguement is not your doing. It's ours, because we don't ignore them.

There's actions, and there's consequences. But you choose to think that these consequences are always a result of everyone else's actions, but yours. If your claims were honest, you'd put an active effort in lessening the whole issue. Instead, you just keep increasing it. And again, it's not your fault, it's everybody else's.

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:19 am

Mcduffies, belief almost always trumps logic, and if OBS really believes what he's saying, you won't convince him otherwise. And if he doesn't believe it, then you're only feeding whatever joy he's getting out of frustrating you. He is not argueing with you; he is not refuting what you say; he is merely rephrasing what he's already said. This is not a conversation you can ever walk away feeling good about.