Dunk the RedWolf! (Obligary Furry Admin Criticism thread)

[Kris X]

Okay, now I've another complaint. It's not about Wolf specifically, but I'll stick it here.

Faub said something in one of the threads that I interpreted as a broad attack on all religions that believe in a God and Hell. First, keep in mind that's the vast majority of the world's relgious population.

I was pissed off, so my response was that it was a fucked up, close-minded, prejudicial (etc etc) thing to say. I also complained to McDuffies and Kisai. At first nobody said anything, and then WP threw in his opinion that all religious people are narrow-minded. McD locked the thread when he saw it, and said he didn't know what had gotten into faub or something to that effect.

Kisai responded, not sounding particularly interested, and then Wolf added a post to the locked thread saying he'd gotten another complaint about me.

Seriously people, I don't get this. I get banned for what are basically trivial things, and then other people can come and do things like making (what appears to be) a broad attack on religion without even being warned.

Faub told me he was trying to counter someone else's point by being cynical. He didn't put anything in the post to make it apparent that he wasn't serious or that he was trying to provide a counter-viewpoint. I think he should have made it obvious that he wasn't serious with small text like EVERYONE ELSE always does, but his post is a little more understandable if it was to make a point.

However, neither Kisai nor Wolf mentioned anything about whether Faub was serious. Kisai said she only would have cared if he had locked a thread about religion (?), and Wolf blamed me and also seemed to condone attacking religion.

Is that how things are done around here? You can't say "the themes suck" without getting a warning, or bump three threads without being banned, but you can make an attack on religious groups with no consequences?

Once again, I'm seeing horribly unfair and inconsistent moderation.

Suprise, Suprise. Someone said something on a forum that mde you react. News flash, forums are meant to discuss and you won't always agree. End of story. That's how it works.

Now you could choose a or b here really. A) Accept it and be civil, b) Be an ass.

What do you honestly think was your choice? That's what I thought. Please, Please be a man about things and have a good attitude or you're continually digging yourself in a deep-deep hole. I'm begging you to forgive and forget and more importantly, forgive yourself for letting yourself get so stressed out.

Fin.

[IVstudios]

*smells trouble and runs*

[Collapse]

Moderators are supposed to reduce tension. Why do we have moderators if you don't expect them to do anything? The general purpose of a moddy is to keep spam and flaming to a minimum, not contribute to them.

I didn't argue that much about the "suck" thing. I may have said once or twice that I didn't think what I said was that bad but I didn't go overboard about it. I was irritated for getting warned but I didn't say anything about that either. I did get pretty pissed off when Phactorri attacked me, but that wasn't something I did, that was something he did.

I never even got an opportunity to argue about the thread thing, I just got banned for it. I argued about it afterwards, sure, but that was because I felt it was unjustified.

Okay, I went back to the leftovers of the "suck" thread and checked it.

Here's all my arguing:

No offense, but the 16 themes all suck.

Created an account just to flame me? I hope you're proud of yourself. I wasn't that harsh, and I could have been. I could be now. But I'm not going to be.

I don't think I even suggested it was you.

Why would you even THINK I'd do something like that?

I'm just not that kind of person.

*groan*

Well, whatever, don't worry about it.

I didn't react violently until Phactorri attacked me. Even you, Merc, seemed to agree with me that the guy creating an account to flame me was a bit much, and also that Phactorri was wrong about me "having it coming"

THat's barely anything, guys. That's barely anything. And I got a warning for it. I understand I was arguing a lot more about the postcount thing, but I wasn't arguing any more than Sam was. I would have understood if I got a warning for that, but I just got banned. And everyone decided they hated me for bumping three threads. And then of course more for arguing about it.

And now you hate me more now, but I don't care, because I just want you all to see how unfair and rediculous you are being. I didn't start arguing as much as I have been until after I was treated unfairly.

[Collapse]

Oh, and as to claims that I don't keep myself in check and I'm too violent, etc, etc... I'm doing the very best I can. There's a lot of other stuff I want to say, but that would be flaming, and I don't want to do that. I'm capable of restraining myself. I restrained myself when the guy created an account to flame me.

[Soap Soaperson]

If you wanted you could either drop this terribly valiant crusade, or take it up with the mods in private from now on.

hint. hint.

[Dr Legostar]

::desperetly avoids the raging conflict::

Not sure if someone already mentioned this, but my only beef is on the Keenspace Forums, or at least communications about them.

A little white back, it sounded like you guys were cleaning out old and unused accounts/forums, and that you might be setting up new message boards again soon. Then... nothing. Not a peep since then.

I'd really like to do my message board through Keenspace. Enough so, that I've held off getting a message board through a third party. Right now, I just have tagboard and it has it's limitations. I know you guys are busy, so it might be a while before the boards are opened up again, but even some communication on when you expect to accept requests or what the status is would be nice.

It's sad but when I first joined the forums this was exactly the reason I didn't end up posting/checking regularly. I'm remedying that now and in the process reading a lot of new and very cool webcomics, (not to mention heated arguements punctuated by razor sharp sarcasm) and in the process spending way too much time on the computer instead of doing other things I *should* be doing. Thanks a lot (I mean that both sarcastically and sincerely). I'd still love to have my own forum here though.

[Mercury Hat]

True, I said that creating a new account to flame a more seasoned poster was in poor taste. But I also told you that you were rude in what you had said and it might've been better for you to have not said anything at all. This ties right back in with what I said before: It's not your actions, it's your attitude and the fact that you can't let anything go. Obstinateness is not a very positive personality trait, you realize.

Now please don't exhume these prior problems (contest and bumping of old threads) since they've already been settled. If you still respond with "UH BUH BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU'RE ALL REDICULOUS [sic]" then we're just going to keep going around in circles.

Remember what I said? You're not good at debating. You're just going to shout your position over and over again no matter all the evidence we present which points to the contrary. You keep saying "I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG IT'S NOT MY FAULT" and we keep telling you why it was your fault. I told you what your problem was in my previous reply to this thread. You appear to have ignored it. You appear to either ignore everything anyone says or grossly misinterpret it.

You are not going to win any favor this way. You are going to keep spiralling downward until, prehaps, you just leave. But you aren't going to leave, you're stubborn. You'll keep clinging on. You'll try to wedge your way back in. You won't realize people won't want you to wedge back in. You might win a few new friends, people who haven't seen these posts of yours, but they'll find out. They'll find out as soon as you flail your way into another debate. You'll go on to blame the other posters, perhaps the mods or admins. Everyone will get blame but yourself and you won't ever figure out why people shun you.

Now this is all I have to say on the matter and I won't be responding to this thread again.

[Collapse]

Nobody's responded properly to my core arguement. You all say I argue too much and it's all my fault; that's not much of a response at all. The thing is that I was treated unfairly in the beginning. Nobody seems to care about that.

I wasn't being that obstinate about it at the time. That's why I quoted my responses from the thread. I barely said anything. As I tried to tell you, I've been obstinate since I was treated unfairly. You can't say I deserved it for something I hadn't done yet.

Since Merc won't listen, maybe somebody else will.

[IVstudios]

The thing is that I was treated unfairly in the beginning. Nobody seems to care about that.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!!!!
That is correct! Johnny, tell him what he's won!

"He's won the realization that no one else cares that he feels he was treated unfairly, because none of them feel this is true! His post count will also go up by one and he will receive a week

[Kris X]

There's only one person acting ridiculous here. And I think that's pretty obvious.

*Makes no further comment and bows out of discussion*

EDIT: I suggest others and all follow suit.

[Jim North]

Just don't get it, do ya, Collapsey? You put it plain as day yourself up above. You said:

No offense, but the 16 themes all suck.

No explanation. No grace. No tact. Just a straight flame. You didn't even wait for a few other responses to rack up in that thread, if I remember correctly. You just slapped it in right underneath the thread's originating post.

You put yourself out there as an ass right from the beginning, and as soon as you did that . . . any right you had to be offended to anyone else being an ass back was immediately revoked.

[Nyke]

collapse, do you have some sort of persecution complex?

I mean honestly, the statement faub made was subtle sarcasm, and you overreacted.

The banning was a little harsh, but you were ressurecting threads when you could have just posted links. Does the same thing, but doesn't ressurect threads or have the possiblity of screwing the forums

I did get into hot water for flaming new people. I worked with Yarpy, so I avoided the fate you got dealt with. I did some stupid shit in these forums in the past, but I'm still here because I let it go and learned to lighten up.

[Toxic]

I did some stupid shit in these forums in the past, but I'm still here because I let it go and learned to lighten up.

Let he/she who has never done stupid shit throw the first stone.

Now, as for the rest of you: To be honest, I think this argument is stupid and pointless. You can bicker all you want, but it isn't going to solve anything. I'd just suggest dropping it.

[Warren]

Seconded.

[McDuffies]

Sigh. My view:

I strongly promised myself to keep out of any agruement for some time. The whole happening in this thread, in furries thread and around, made me realise that instead of comming here for fun and relaxation as before, I come here to get nervous, sometimes spend hours typing the long posts that won't mean anything to those they're meant to.
But some devil got in the forums, three threads with religious themes appeared simultaneously in Junk.
Religious threads are mine field. Usually they're basically this:
-Majority criticizes religion, minority defends.
-Those who attack it, mostly attack it on basis of people who are religious fanatics.
-Most of forumers who are religious, aren't religious fanatics: example are Christwriter and Luprand (I gotta add to this that I haven't followed these recent threads throughly, specially the "happyness" thread that started innocently enough so I wasn't paying attention on it)
Conclusion: attackers are blowing down the wind. Those they are criticising are not around, instead entire burden of criticism falls at the back of innocent people, who are supposed to be your friends.
(But, as Christwriter said, you can't expect to go through the world unoffended)
Religion should be a sort of dark area here, like politics; Area where people go only if they have thick skin, and that is very separated from the rest of forum.

So, I got a complaint from collapse, and decided to wash my hands of it and pass it to Striker. Faub's post did sound a bit harsh from a person who I know as a calm, reasonable, even cautious. But I didn't read all through thread so what I read was out of context. Anyway, I know Faub much better than Collapse does, and I know that he didn't deserve mod status by being intolerant.
Actually, it is really a paradox that, from all various characters attending the forum, Collapse is singling two of the most calmed, rational and polite people, Faub and Phactorri. I guess when they decide to say something, they really hit the nail, eh?
Anyway, I'm happy this is out of my hands and if I was unfair to pass a job to someone else, that was only to keep myself sane.

Now, one post was never a reason to ban somebody; People were banned for campaignes of flamewars, spamming, or flaming newbies. It takes a lot to be banned from, here.

It seems to me that Collapse forgot that this forum is not a battlefield where you wait for the other one to make a wrong move. This is supposed to be area where friends hang out together. And from a friend, you'll take much more stuff than you would from a stranger. I argued with my friends, both online and offline a thousand times, and I never ever lost a friend over the fight - not even when, during the fight, we say some strong words to each other. With some people, I had a very bad start, and nowadays I consider them good friends. The trick in life is, to cling on good stuff, not bad stuff.
Collapse, if you really want to think that the great injustice has been done to you, think so. But do go on, don't keep returning to it. Even all this mess has been caused by thinking along the lines of: "Hah! I was banned for the less! So he should be banned too!" So even if it is so (and I'm not saying that it is), is making new injustices a way to fix the old ones? Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth? Do you know why sport judges never try to fix their mestakes, even when they know they made ones? Because that opens a door to new injustices. If you really want to believe that injustice is made, think of it that way. And if you want to believe that this forum is badly moderated, that some of people here are major jerks or whatever, do so. But what happened happened, let's move on with it.

Oh, yeah, and I also promise to myself that this is the last time I post in this thread. If I ever decide to dunk the Striker, I will start a new thread.

[Toxic]

But some devil got in the forums, three threads with religious themes appeared simultaneously in Junk.

Aww crap. You all know the drill. We'll need an old priest and a young priest...

[Rkolter]

I'll put this much in... I think collapse may have misread Faub's post, and I think that if this had been pointed out logically and clearly at the time, it might have diffused the situation. I disagree with the locking of the thread in that if it had run for a few more posts, things might have gotten settled without further incident. I also disagree with Kelly trying to get the last word in at the lock - that just wasn't fair.

All that said collapse, you brought it on yourself again. You took a comment, and responded challenging Faub's entire character based on that one comment. You did an asshole-y thing, again. Yes, you are being picked on. You are being picked on because you are a repeat offender. This isn't a mistake on our part; it's a series of mistakes on your part.

Please calm down. PLEASE take MH's advice about waiting before posting if you're offended. Losing a forumite sucks, and in your less-upsetting moments, you are a decent poster.

[Collapse]

Now, since McDuffies also misunderstood what Faub said, don't yell at me about that. I say again, it should have had some evidence that it wasn't a serious remark.

You are being picked on because you are a repeat offender. This isn't a mistake on our part; it's a series of mistakes on your part.

Arggg! The first time, I was just being picked on! I hadn't done anything.

No explanation. No grace. No tact. Just a straight flame.

And that's part of my point, I see people doing that here all the time, but nobody else gets in trouble.

[Soap Soaperson]

Uh, no. People have been banned before, and others have come pretty close. They all happened to show *gasp* rude behavior.

[Luprand]

Meanwhile, back on topic of dunking the RedWolf ...

How does he not get a backache with the size of those things?

--Sij