Defend Anime Art!!

Somesuch · Post by **Somesuch** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:24 pm

Pokemon and Power Rangers definitely should go. However, oddly, I think that Yu-Gi-Oh could actually be a pretty good show if it didn't focus so heavily on card battles and if the lines didn't tend to be so cheesy. Despite the art being perhaps oversimplified, it does have points of interest in the plot. However, it's unlikely to ever improve things to the point where it's truly good. It just *could* be good--but it isn't.

Fi13r · Post by **Fi13r** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:16 pm

brockway wrote:Why'd they stop showing it? On that note, anybody ever see the Excel Saga dubbed? It was a bit weird.

THAT is an excellent example of a BAD dub (which isn't surprising, considering it's one of ADV's).

They made Excel sound TOO MUCH LIKE A CARTOON CHARACTER.

Okie · Post by **Okie** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:21 pm

And on the whole sexuality issue, Japanese children typically become sexually active around the age of 15. It's not because they're immoral, it's because that's the way their culture is. They are much more open about the topic of sex and sexuality that we are here in America. In fact, I think Americans in general are some of the prudest people on the plant.

Do you ever <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/i ... htm">abuse yourself?</a>

"A 15 year old girl has been charged with sexual abuse of children, possession of child pornography and dissemination of child pornography."

"The girl, whose identity was withheld, was accused of sending out photographs of herself in various states of undress and performing a variety of sexual acts. She sent them to people she met in chat rooms on the Internet, police said. "

Somesuch · Post by **Somesuch** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:26 pm

Okie wrote:
And on the whole sexuality issue, Japanese children typically become sexually active around the age of 15. It's not because they're immoral, it's because that's the way their culture is. They are much more open about the topic of sex and sexuality that we are here in America. In fact, I think Americans in general are some of the prudest people on the plant.
Do you ever <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/i ... htm">abuse yourself?</a>

"A 15 year old girl has been charged with sexual abuse of children, possession of child pornography and dissemination of child pornography."

"The girl, whose identity was withheld, was accused of sending out photographs of herself in various states of undress and performing a variety of sexual acts. She sent them to people she met in chat rooms on the Internet, police said. "

... That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard.

Keffria · Post by **Keffria** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:00 am

somesuch wrote:Pokemon and Power Rangers definitely should go. However, oddly, I think that Yu-Gi-Oh could actually be a pretty good show if it didn't focus so heavily on card battles and if the lines didn't tend to be so cheesy. Despite the art being perhaps oversimplified, it does have points of interest in the plot. However, it's unlikely to ever improve things to the point where it's truly good. It just *could* be good--but it isn't.

You have obviously never had to babysit a kid who's obsessed with the show. Every day at five o'clock, I had to watch the bloody program.

Sample scene:

[Bad guy]: [Thinks to himself about what the card he's going to use will do.] Aha! I activate [card]! [Description of card's function]

[Yugi or someone else like him]: Oh, no! Not that card! [Description of what the card will do]

[Bad guy]: Yeah, that's right! Your Life Points are history! Now I'll send you to the SHADOW REALM!

[Yugi]: Not the SHADOW REALM!

[Bad guy]: Yes, the SHADOW REALM! Once my card [description of its function], your life points will be decimated and you'll go to the SHADOW REALM!

[Yugi]: Good thing I managed to put [card] on the field. I win!

And then, the girl or that supid little kid gets kidnapped, the episode ends, and everyone is happy.

Gawd, I'm so glad he doesn't like that show anymore...

Brockway · Post by **Brockway** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:45 am

I saw one where a guy tried to use a card like a weapon. He threw it and hit a guy in the head with it. Right smack in the forehead. Of course nothing happened, cause its a freaking card! Then the brother got kidnapped. Which led to more card fights. On a foggy bridge. One after the other.

I left the room after that.

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:01 am

Good guy: "MAGICAAAAAL ICE FIREEEEEE!"
Bad guy: "STOOORM FIREBALLLL!"
Good guy: "MAGICAAAAAL ICE FIREEEEEE!"
Bad guy: "STOOORM FIREBALLLL!"

Mooman · Post by **Mooman** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:41 am

I only ever saw one Yu-Gi-Oh episode, and that number is expected to remain constant. However it did produce this excellent quote:

Some Woman: Ah, so you're using THAT card! You intend to go out in a blaze of glory, I see.

Blonde Guy With Hilariously Deep Voice: No! I intend to go out in a blaze of victory!!!

"I intend to go OUT in a blaze of VICTORY!"

"OUT". "VICTORY".

...

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

ZOMBIE USER 16849 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 16849** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:47 pm

Yea. Not only is he (apparently) a kid with a bravado voice like superman, he's a stupid kid who says stupid lines.

Fi13r · Post by **Fi13r** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:16 pm

mcDuffies wrote:Good guy: "MAGICAAAAAL ICE FIREEEEEE!"
Bad guy: "STOOORM FIREBALLLL!"
Good guy: "MAGICAAAAAL ICE FIREEEEEE!"
Bad guy: "STOOORM FIREBALLLL!"

BLAZING LOVE HEART!!!

Isukiyomi · Post by **Isukiyomi** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:20 pm

Yu-Gi-Oh is good for two things...

1)Card battles with real people

2)Lots of dark yaoi fanfiction and yaoi fanart

Isukiyomi · Post by **Isukiyomi** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:23 pm

brockway wrote:I saw one where a guy tried to use a card like a weapon. He threw it and hit a guy in the head with it. Right smack in the forehead. Of course nothing happened, cause its a freaking card! Then the brother got kidnapped. Which led to more card fights. On a foggy bridge. One after the other.

I left the room after that.

I actually remember that epsiode since I watch the show on occassion when I'm at home ^^;; Mokuba is for all intents and purposes, useless. Seto, his brother is an indescribable bastard

The show has a relatively good plot, which you have to follow, because seeing one episode out of context can get screwy ^^;;

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:35 pm

Isukiyomi wrote:
2)Lots of dark yaoi fanfiction and yaoi fanart

you are obsessed.

Isukiyomi · Post by **Isukiyomi** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:42 pm

orion wrote:
Isukiyomi wrote:
2)Lots of dark yaoi fanfiction and yaoi fanart
you are obsessed.

Obsessed? ::looks at her yaoi stash::...maybe

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:51 pm

FANFICTION MUST DIE!

*burns a load of fanfics*

Brockway · Post by **Brockway** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:52 pm

Searched out the FLCL cast. On a lot of lines, Haruko and Mamimi sound the same, like the VA's swapped lines or something. Especially Mamimi's line near the start "Why do you always carry a bat?"

Cast:
Nandaba Naota: Barbara Goodson
Haruhara Haruko: Kari Wahlgren
Samejima Mamimi: Jennifer Sekiguchi
Amarao: Dave Mallow
Kitsurubami: L. Villa
Nandaba Kamon: Joe Martin
Shigekuni: Steve Kramer
Ninamori Eri: Heather Lee Joelson
Gaku: Bob Marx
Masashi: David Lucas
Miyaji Junko: Jessica Stenuis
Secretary: Jessica Stenuis
Miyu Miyu: David Lucas

Dave Lucas is the cat?!?!

*laughs his ass off*

I could have sworn Ninamori was Ed though. And that the secretary and teacher were both the same as Faye. Maybe the quick google I did for Bebop brought up the wrong cast? Crap, I dunno. Kill Bill 2 looks like its gonna rock though!!!!

Fi13r · Post by **Fi13r** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:39 pm

brockway wrote: could have sworn Ninamori was Ed though.

She is.

That name you got might be a stage name she uses (David Lucas AKA Steven Blum has half a dozen different stage names, as do a lot of other voice actors in that industry).

Brockway · Post by **Brockway** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:03 pm

Holy crap! She was in the original Gundam! Like 2 years before I was freaking born! Damn stage names. What do these people that do voices for anime that have millions of fanatical fans want to have privacy for? Oh... yeah.

Danmit, Jessica Stenuis sounds almost exactly like Wendee Lee! Its starting to bug me a bit, and I just watched that FLCL episode again, and it does sound like her.

*decides to just watch the new south park and try to forget about it*

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:52 am

mcDuffies wrote:
KittyKatBlack wrote:The thing about Anime that sets it apart is not so much the artistic style but the content intself. A lot of the plots and stories in anime are very psycological, and a lot of people don't think of that when they look at animation. Even Don Bluth type stuff, even though much richer and mature in it's excecution is still rather simple in it's concepts. I think that whoever mentioned the grey area nature of anime over the black and white good and evil nature of more western animation is a big factor as to why it's not considered in the same class as 'regular' animation.
No offence, but I think non-anime should be protected from you.
I mean, implying that no animation but anime has depth in characterisation, psychology or complexity... You're neglecting not only european animation (Brittish, French, Hungarian, Croatian studios, recent "Corto Maltese" movie, for instance) but also american animation that is not mainstream ("Waking life", for instance).
I know that it's not reasonable to expect that you know about these as their distribution is not very good, but I know that you'd expect from me to be acquitanced with most well known anime stuff too, which I'm not, and now you probably think that I should be hit with a heavy object for that or something.
I mean, common, you're making harsh generalizations there! If you want to prove that anime is better that any other animation, I'd hardly call that defending anime.

I never said it was better. I said it was in a different class. I didn't say a higher class, just a different one. I thought I even said somewhere that I specificly was NOT saying that Anime was the best type of animation there was. And no, I don't want to hit you for saying you don't like/know anime...

...I want to hit you for misconstruing my words.

And as for this:

christwriter wrote:
Okie wrote: Anime porn may be the inevitable, legal future of child porn.

If that happens, I'm going to turn activist and start trying to apply child porn laws to animation.

Now before you shoot me, let me explain why.

Child molestation is a fantasy crime...along the same lines as rape. Sex is a highly fantastic crime in the literal sence of the word. The brain, not the vagina, clitoris, or penis, is the main sexual organ. What you put into the brain, what you fantasize about, what you day-dream about is what comes out in your sexual life.

In other words, Garbage IN, Garbage OUT.

If you look at sex, you want to do sex. If you look at porn, you want to do the acts depected in the porn. For that matter, if you have a slight desire to go Kiteboarding in the middle of the next Hurricane and you watch videos about people doing just that, you're gonna want to do it. You are feeding a part of you with the information that you stick in your brain.

If you take a man (or woman) who is already struggling with deviant desires towards a child (There is no question of freedom of sexual choice. A four-year-old is NOT old enough to choose to have sex no matter what someone says, just as a woman who does not give her permission did not have a consensual act with the attacker.) and start giving him child pornography, he's going to start to want it. Eventually, he'll want it so bad that there is no price to great to have this fantasy realized just once...only it cannot be just once, but over and over again.

Which is why child porn is outlawed.

But the only difference between animated child porn and the real thing is...no children are hurt. The monster is still being fed his food. He's still getting hungrier and hungrier with no way to fully sate his hunger without the next step up...eventually, to a real child.

In other words, law-free animated child porn could be the proverbial "Loaded Gun" but instead of giving it to the child, it's being given to the REAL bad guys.

CW

Now, first off let me say that I hate child pornography and I think the concept is discusting and appalling. But I need to bring up a point about this because this argument has been applied to a lot of things and I couldn't in all fairness go 'HELL YEAH!' even though I hate child pornography and then turn around and fight this reasoning when it's used against things I like. (Like Video Games). What people do with their urges all depends on the person themselves. I don't think that the 'if people watch it, they're going to do it' applies to everyone. Just the stupid people. Unfortunately being stupid isn't a crime until someone gets hurt. People watch violent movies/TV shows on a regular basis. There's one on practicly every channel. But that doesn't cause most of these people to go out on a homocidal rampage. I do have to agree though that the child pornography racket is composed of the select individuals that are screwed up enough to attempt this stuff, so I have to submit to the fact that the argument holds much more ground in this case than most others, but I still felt the need to point out that the people that do this shit are the ones to blame, not so much the animation (Of course, most likely the people making the animation are also pediophiles so they probably fall in this catagory as well). I guess all I'm saying is that people should start putting the responsability for stupidity on the stupid people, and not make excuses for them being stupid. Banning it on the grounds that it causes the problems doesn't really hold any water. In fact, I would possibly go so far as to say that it may possibly fufill the needs these deranged individuals enough so they don't go out and get it by hurting a kid (There are a lot of exceptions, but still). Sort of like how people just enjoy wreaking havoc in GTA: Vice City simply because they have the urge to, but don't want to deal with the reprocussions.

By the way, I've been kinda busy this last week, which is why I'm just NOW adressing these posts instead of back when they were first posted. I just haven't been around.

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:05 am

somesuch wrote:
Okie wrote:
And on the whole sexuality issue, Japanese children typically become sexually active around the age of 15. It's not because they're immoral, it's because that's the way their culture is. They are much more open about the topic of sex and sexuality that we are here in America. In fact, I think Americans in general are some of the prudest people on the plant.
Do you ever <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/i ... htm">abuse yourself?</a>

"A 15 year old girl has been charged with sexual abuse of children, possession of child pornography and dissemination of child pornography."

"The girl, whose identity was withheld, was accused of sending out photographs of herself in various states of undress and performing a variety of sexual acts. She sent them to people she met in chat rooms on the Internet, police said. "
... That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard.

Yeah, I work in that town. We're all weird.