Hope you chose...wisely

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 6:46 pm

Can't you guys be nice and just GANG UP ON GALLAGHER instead?

ZOMBIE USER 8124 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 8124** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 7:44 pm

Sortelli!
You didn't tell me you had such a good comic! I laughed my ass off the whole way through! I wasn't sure what it was about, but you got a lot of pimpin' so I decided to check it out. It's a great concept! I love it! (Just thought I'd share! ) ^_^ You've got a new reader.

Ratbert · Post by **Ratbert** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 7:47 pm

It sure is. Elf Only Inn has got to be like, the funniest comic on here (next to Sidwood, probably).

DunnBoyz · Post by **DunnBoyz** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:29 pm

What is my percentage. I can't find out for some reason.

Ghastly · Post by **Ghastly** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 8:31 pm

Why does the Beta guide show a different number than the regular guide?

According to the Beta guide I'm in the 1% club now, but according to the regular guide I'm not.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:07 pm

Yanagi-San wrote:Sortelli!
You didn't tell me you had such a good comic! I laughed my ass off the whole way through!

KJANSDKNASDIH! Thanks!!!

Post by **Kisai** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 9:42 pm

Different numbers.

The OLD one is hardcoded to skip over ad and gear, and as you know, gear is responsible for most of the drop-downs. So taking it into calculation for anything other than pages/visits produces something along the lines of gear.keenspace.com being about 30% of the files/hits

The NEW one is technically more accurate, however I changed the page system (25,25,50,100,etc) to just break things up, rather than the % club style, since it would have 15,15,50,100+ and the 100+ pages took forever to load.

At any rate, the actual calculations take into account all sites that webalizer runs on.

Formula webalizer_totalpagesthismonth/sum(webalizer_totalpagesthismonth of all accounts)*100 , precision three decimal places.

Sexy Losers accounts for the majority of pages loaded regardless, the only way for others %'s to go up are for other %'s to go down. 100% isn't possible without going out and deleting other peoples comics.

Anyways. GEAR shouldn't affect things substantially, as it only gets about 50 page visits a day, versus 100,000 hits per day for the javascript drop downs..

(which is why hits/files aren't even a remote possibility for popularity gauge.)

There are a bunch of sites that aren't being listed for some reason (either list=no or their information is missing completely. These are also taken into account.

Ghastly, as of right now, is at %1.169

Ghastly · Post by **Ghastly** » Mon Sep 02, 2002 10:24 pm

Okee dokee...

So what's GEAR?

Ajcg51 · Post by **Ajcg51** » Tue Sep 03, 2002 1:44 am

I thing your smoking GEAR in that pipe of yours Ghastly...

Post by **Kisai** » Tue Sep 03, 2002 8:08 am

gear.keenspace.com is where most of those drop-down's are currently hosted, and the really really really old "guide"

Ghastly · Post by **Ghastly** » Tue Sep 03, 2002 9:33 am

Ah! I didn't bother subscribing to any of those drop down thingies. They just slow down the page too much for my liking.

And speaking of Keenspot... I was taking a browse through keenspot and just noticed that a) Not all the comics on Keenspot are better than the comics on Keenspace (infact some out-and-out suck), and b) Not all the comics on Keenspot are popular.

Infact, peeking at the stats last night I discovered that not only does my meagre comic have more total readers than some Keenspot comics (and I'm not counting the discontinued comics here), but I also have more daily readers than some Keenspot comics and I only publish once a week where as many of the Keenspot comics are daily or 3/week.

Considering that none of the Keenspot comics get paid anymore either and that not all the Keenspot comics are popular, and that not all the Keenspot comics are quality why-oh-why do so many of us still feel the need for validation on Keenspot. Sure, there are more purely sucktastic comics on Keenspace but, my god, there are over 5000 of us crammed together here. Of course many more of us are going to suck ass, but also many, many more of us are of comprable if not superiour quality to the comics hosted on Keenspot. I say we've allowed ourselves to be viewed as third class citizens long enough. Who is with me? Grab your hammer, grab your sickle and let your Keenspace flag fly proud commrades! Who is with me? Down with the bourgeois comics classism! Revolt for the people!

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Tue Sep 03, 2002 9:36 am

What eees theees Keenspot you speak of? I vaugely remember reading a comic on there.

Once.

THECapedCaper · Post by **THECapedCaper** » Tue Sep 03, 2002 11:48 am

River City High. Keenspot needs a sprite comic rep.

Hard · Post by **Hard** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 4:41 am

Ghastly wrote:Alright Hard!!! Go for 10%! Go go go!!

Done.

Ghastly · Post by **Ghastly** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 4:54 am

You da man!

SI Rob · Post by **SI Rob** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 9:20 pm

I wouldn't promote anyone to Keenspot. Keenspot doesn't mean better. A lot of Keenspace comics get more visits/pageviews than some of the Keenspot ones. Of course that doesn't mean their better.

As for the whole % thing. It's definately not an accurate representation of really anything. Comics with more total pages on their sites will obviously receive more pageviews than they would if they had less pages. That's the way it is for a lot of people. We personally only get a little over a 2 page to 1 visit ratio going.

I think that its funny that people use it to rate themselves as far as popularity considering its not an accurate measure of that. Just think if they posted the Top 30 or so comics visit/readership wise on their main page, then people would really go nuts over it.

ZOMBIE USER 11601 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 11601** » Tue Sep 10, 2002 8:49 am

One Over Zero. Definitely. Very funny and updates every day, with no exceptions so far.
And I haven't looked at most of the comics on Keenspot, but it has CRFH. That alone is enough.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Tue Sep 10, 2002 9:29 am

Well, the whole pageviews % thing comes with the disclaimer that it's not an accurate display of anyone's popularity on Keenspace, but a comic with a higher percent is probably a comic that has more pages to be read in its archives--implying a long and steady run of strips that is worth reading back on and gets people to read more of its strips on each visit. That said, I'm really rather proud of almost hitting one tenth of a percent.

Hard · Post by **Hard** » Tue Sep 10, 2002 3:16 pm

SI Rob wrote:I wouldn't promote anyone to Keenspot. Keenspot doesn't mean better. A lot of Keenspace comics get more visits/pageviews than some of the Keenspot ones. Of course that doesn't mean their better.

What you're missing out on is that there are benefits to being on KeenSpot that one doesn't have on KeenSpace -- the additional promotion, the comic book thing, etc. Personally I don't care where I am, but I know that some of these KeenSpot benefits would be of use to someone. It's not just a name.

As for the whole % thing. It's definately not an accurate representation of really anything. Comics with more total pages on their sites will obviously receive more pageviews than they would if they had less pages. That's the way it is for a lot of people. We personally only get a little over a 2 page to 1 visit ratio going...I think that its funny that people use it to rate themselves as far as popularity considering its not an accurate measure of that.

You're wrong when you say it's "not an accurate representation of really anything". It's an accurate representation of how many pages as a percentage of the whole of keenspot that are served from your comic. I don't think anyone here has been saying more than that. I certainly haven't. If a comic takes a big percent, it is certainly taking a load of bandwidth, and that's all anyone here has said. If anyone is saying that certain comics are popular, it's because it's common knowledge that they are, independent of any stats here.

If it makes you feel better about which stats are better for assessing popularity, myself, I think Daily Visits is a good one. According to the latest Keenspace stat thingie, I average 8.3K visits a day. That's pretty popular for a KeenSpace comic, big archives or not. I don't know how that stands up to other comics, but I know from stats from last year that about 7% of readers jumped from the main page to other pages on the site, which isn't that big. Established comics don't benefit from people reading the archive as much as one thinks. The biggest chunk is still going to be that front page.

So are big archives an influence on hits? Yes, but not in ways you have mentioned. A comic with a large archive indicates a great interest by the artist, which is usually fuelled by a continually growing fanbase. One cannot be instantly popular with one or two comics. If you've been around for a while, meaning you've drawn a lot of comics, you'll be linked by more people and more people will have you in their bookmarks. So a big archive is not THE best stat for popularity (no one here is saying this), but it certainly is a factor. Big archives indicate an established webcomic. Established webcomics get visitors.

All that being said, I don't see any reason for people to worry about stats. If you're enjoying what you do, how many people visit your site shouldn't matter, and there's no need to take shots at people when they talk about their stats. They're just numbers, and some people are interested in them. Don't look into it more than that.

EDIT: changed a confusing word.

Krazy Krow · Post by **Krazy Krow** » Tue Sep 10, 2002 5:14 pm

So far this month my pageviews are up but my daily visits are down. I like to think this is due to more students returning to university and reading the comic over dorm connections. At least, that's what my ego likes to think.

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