IVstudios wrote:But that wouldn't have allowed him to take a shot at vegetarians, now would it?
I'm pretty sure I'm taking a shot at know-it-alls who misinterpret stuff they've heard and then proceed to march along the moral high ground with it.
Just like I did again now.
Killbert-Robby wrote:Chrome loads page .1 of a second faster than the latest Firefox on average.
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I think of this in the same way I think of vegetarianism -
If you're not eating meat (avoiding firefox) because you prefer the taste of veggies, or because you can't handle meat in your diet, or whatever, then power to you. But to cast it aside out of misinformation and hype, thats just silly.
The real difference is that Chrome loads pages correctly. Firefox continually flunks the acid3 test, and anything beyond basic html often gets butchered or sloppily loaded. Chrome loading faster is just the cherry on top.
IVstudios wrote:But that wouldn't have allowed him to take a shot at vegetarians, now would it?
I'm pretty sure I'm taking a shot at know-it-alls who misinterpret stuff they've heard and then proceed to march along the moral high ground with it.
Just like I did again now.
Killbert-Robby wrote:I'm pretty sure I'm taking a shot at know-it-alls who misinterpret stuff they've heard and then proceed to march along the moral high ground with it.
We haven't really had problems with Firefox up until a few months ago. It's still got a lot to offer though. We're steering more toward Chrome these days!
All the troubles I've ever had with Firefox have typically ended up being minor, temporary, and quickly forgotten. It fits my needs, I like the setup I've got going with it, and I don't feel any desire to check into other browsers to compare. My computer is ancient and decrepit, so every damn thing opens slowly. As a consequence, even if Firefox does open slow, I don't notice it because it's just as slow as everything else. I usually only open it once a day anyway, in the morning when I wake up and first turn the computer on, and then it stays open all day until I turn off the computer just before I go to bed. If I ever have to restart the browser for anything, I just hit the "Restart Firefox" command in the Update Manager addon and it's fresh and ready to go again in just a few seconds at most. If there are websites with code that it can't handle . . . well, honestly, I don't recall having that problem more than once every few months at most, if that often. I just must not be hip to the great new places on the internets. Regardless, the point is that any inability Firefox may have with certain types of internet coding hasn't affected me adversely in any major way just yet.
Overall, Firefox gets no complaints from me.
Existence is a series of catastrophes through which everything barely but continually survives.
I prefer Firefox. Sometimes Chrome loads things more correctly. But just as often things don't work that I need to. There was a long stretch where I couldn't print boarding passes from Chrome. It was super frustrating until I realized Firefox printed them just fine. I think Chrome is past that, but it still has other issues. It chokes on the column filtering javascript on my time-keeping website so badly that one of my Co-workers thought the link on the site was broken.
One major pet-peeve I've had with firefox, though, is a pretty consistent issue with Flash crashing and not being available until I restart the browser. That seems to have been resolved, but we'll see. I've got my eye on you, Firefox. I'm literally looking at you Right Now.
On the vegetarian argument: Mozilla is a charitable organization. Google is not. Firefox for karma. http://firefoxlive.com
Toxic wrote:4) FIrefox 4 is supposed to change everything and fix all of these problems. But where is it? Stuck in beta hell. For the record it was supposed to be ready last November. Now it's March and no sign of it. It's sort of become the Chinese Democracy of browsers. (Guns N Roses reference.) Delayed, and delayed again.
....and on that note, Firefox 4 just went live.
"I've always been fascinated by failure!" -Charlie Brown
Killbert-Robby wrote:Chrome loads page .1 of a second faster than the latest Firefox on average.
.1
I think of this in the same way I think of vegetarianism -
If you're not eating meat (avoiding firefox) because you prefer the taste of veggies, or because you can't handle meat in your diet, or whatever, then power to you. But to cast it aside out of misinformation and hype, thats just silly.
The real difference is that Chrome loads pages correctly. Firefox continually flunks the acid3 test, and anything beyond basic html often gets butchered or sloppily loaded. Chrome loading faster is just the cherry on top.
Firefox roll 3d6 to avoid acid = 7, fails
Firefox roll 3d6 to avoid falling to the floor, hands to face, screaming "ah! my eyes! my beautiful eyes!" = 14, pass
I've used Firefox for years now and it's still good for me. But then I'd still be happy with Windows '98 if that computer hadn't died. What do I know, I'm running Vista.
The comics show up right, Facebook works, YouTube still shows the fat pug that can't roll off its back. All is well with the world.
I'm still waiting for the Ubuntu software center to get the Linux distro of Firefox. I keep poking it but the sucker isn't out yet, and I never was any good at command lines in Linux for manually installing.
This is the one thing I don't like about linux is that so few things are convenient self extracting EXEs. It's either get it through the software center, or figure out how to do it via command line and no sort of in-between.
I think Firefox has moved into being a Developer tool more over than a daily browser. While I can't complain about the HTML5 (which isn't released yet as a standard, W3C Working Draft 13 January 2011, so why are you benchmarking it against it) I know it is generally the most CSS compliant browser out there.
My general rule of thumb as a web developer is this:
If it works in FF THEN
It works in IE8, Chrome, Opera, etc
Make extra tweaks for IE6/7
This is all based on CSS2.1 and CSS3.
HTML5 has only taken hold in the most cutting edge of web firms. Most jobs out there don't give a crap whether it is HTML5, 4, XML or what... it just needs to work.
Clients just don't care.
Personally, I don't care what you use.. as long as it is NOT Internet Explorer whatever version. This is due to security reasons and CSS compliance.
Wadefade wrote:I think Firefox has moved into being a Developer tool more over than a daily browser. While I can't complain about the HTML5 (which isn't released yet as a standard, W3C Working Draft 13 January 2011, so why are you benchmarking it against it) I know it is generally the most CSS compliant browser out there.
While it is a draft standard, it's a draft within a year of being finalized which typically means it's about 98% finalized. HTML5 is also the primary benchmark Mozilla itself uses to compare itself to other browsers.