Webcomic Above V: The Response Thread

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Re: Webcomic Above V: The Response Thread

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Tenma wrote:It's true that I haven't received many negative reviews before, so maybe I don't know the accepted method of responding to one. Honestly, here the accepted method seems to be "suck it up and move on."
No it's more along the lines of "Just because we're amateurs doesn't mean we have to act amateurish" - I can't remember whose quote that is.
That quote does sound familiar...
Oh for f**k's sake!

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No it's more along the lines of "Just because we're amateurs doesn't mean we have to act amateurish" - I can't remember whose quote that is.
"Suck it up and move on" is a good advice. The more your comic gets read, the more there are people who don't like it, and people who are compelled to comment about it. If you have any sort of popularity, the simple google search gives you all kinds of comment, from constructive criticism to "THIS IS CRAP THIS GUY MUST BE RETEARDED!!11!" kind of quips on some 4chan-like board or wherever. If one's gonna sulk and cry or go to crusade every time they get something like this, they'll have a full time job and a stressful one at that.
"Suck it up and move on" means learning to accept negative opinions and not getting emotional about them every time. To an author who displays his work publicly, this is as important quality as, say, knowing how to draw. Of course it's nicer if you're capable of looking back at criticism and getting something useful from it, but even if you're not you should still be able to receive criticism without acting like a jack-ass.

Anyways I think that if you ask for a critique, you don't have right to complain when you get a bad one. That just makes you look like one of hundreds of guys who request a reviews left and right in a bid for promotion, and then get honestly offended when they realise that not everyone sees their comic the way they do. Or like it as much as they do. Duh.
There's an option of checking what kind of review you can get somewhere. If you want to request a review on some site, read a few of articles from it first, get an idea of what kind of opinion you can get there. If you don't have respect for their opinion, why should you waste your and their time, and put yourself through criticism you won't find useful? On the other hand, if you do have respect, then if you get a bad review and get all dismissive about it retroactively, then... well, that'll be very cute.
Webcomic Above thread is a sort of random choice and yeah, you may expect that the one that gets to review you is gonna pat your shoulder and whisper that everything's ok, but there's no such guarantee. Serge does like half of those reviews anyways, and he means business.

Seriously, if you asked for a review yourself, and then later want to discuss it, ok but be sure to check if your humility is in place. Save sarcasm for another occasion, as well as passive-agressiveness and thinly veiled attacks.
Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with having a little fire in your words when you're speaking about anything that's important to you.
Yeah and then the guy you talked to is gonna put a little more fire, and then you're gonna put even more, and we'll have a nice flame war that'll have to be locked.
In forum discussion emotions tend to rise exponentially, and unless someone (like Buster here) steps back and tiptoes 'round the other guy, it usually ends bad.

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So, about Red City's formatting issue, yeah I had the same problem. You need to run the page under compatibility mode, for some reason the center tags (which are totally there, you should check the code before you make accusations) doesn't work unless thats on.

Also Serge hasn't done anything yet, and won't. He's there to allow Walking, G'nerds20XX, and the upcoming Radical Empathy to continue to exist in this universe. I hear what you're saying about author inclusion being an issue, but the dude has only been in around five of the twenty pages so far and was only the focus, like once, so I don't think he's an issue yet. Good to see my instincts to down play him were on the money.

Finaly the "Profit" thing was kinda a technical issue, I caught the typo early and uploaded a fixed one but it never replaced the old one and I haven't got around to fixing it. Good eye.

But yeah, you're aparently "Out of the responce game." How does that even work? Didn't you start this whole thing?

EDIT: Oh, right, but I did like the feedback on the whole hand written text thing. Thats an area where I get plenty of mixed comments, some like how it makes my comics feel hand made and less artificial and others feel it is hard to read. I'm only leading with hand written right now because most of my readers prefer it, but if anyone wants to chime in with Tenma on that I would appreciate it.

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Re: Webcomic Above V: The Response Thread

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SergeXIII wrote:But yeah, you're aparently "Out of the responce game." How does that even work? Didn't you start this whole thing?
I did, and I think everyone else is fine to respond to their crits, but I'm saying I personally am not going to come out guns blazing anymore if and when someone reviews my comic next. "Suck it up and move on" shall be the whole of the law, and hopefully I'll just learn something from the crit itself. The rest is not worth it. Too many opportunities to be seen as the bad guy.
SergeXIII wrote:So, about Red City's formatting issue, yeah I had the same problem. You need to run the page under compadability mode, for some reason the center tags (which are totally there, you should check the code before you make accusations) doesn't work unless thats on.
I did check the code, and only saw one instance of "center" and that was on the DIV for the Keen ad. Even assuming everything is technically right in compatibility mode, there has to be a way around that. There are a lot of people out there on Vista and above, and I know you don't expect them all to do that.

I recently had an issue with centering in IE only, which was probably that way for a couple of months because I hadn't noticed. It looked fine in Chrome, Safari, and Firefox, which is my main browser. Huge pain in the neck, but I eventually ended up making a completely separate table for each section and that did the trick.
Also Serge hasn't done anything yet, and won't. He's there to allow Walking, G'nerds20XX, and the upcoming Radical Empathy to continue to exist in this universe. I hear what you're saying about author inclusion being an issue, but the dude has only been in around five of the twenty pages so far and was only the focus, like once, so I don't think he's an issue yet. Good to see my instincts to down play him were on the money.
He did provide some levity, at least. But yeah, it looked like he was going to be one of the main cast, and I think your decision here is a good call in the long run.
Finaly the "Prophit" thing was kinda a technical issue, I caught the typo early and uploaded a fixed one but it never replaced the old one and I haven't got around to fixing it. Good eye.

EDIT: Oh, right, but I did like the feedback on the whole hand written text thing. Thats an area where I get plenty of mixed comments, some like how it makes my comics feel hand made and less artificial and others feel it is hard to read. I'm only leading with hand written right now because most of my readers prefer it, but if anyone wants to chime in with Tenma on that I would appreciate it.
You could always split the difference and make a font from your own handwriting. I've used YourFonts before, and the end product was good, but I think I just prefer the pre-made ones.
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Tenma wrote:
SergeXIII wrote:But yeah, you're aparently "Out of the responce game." How does that even work? Didn't you start this whole thing?

Finaly the "Prophit" thing was kinda a technical issue, I caught the typo early and uploaded a fixed one but it never replaced the old one and I haven't got around to fixing it. Good eye.

EDIT: Oh, right, but I did like the feedback on the whole hand written text thing. Thats an area where I get plenty of mixed comments, some like how it makes my comics feel hand made and less artificial and others feel it is hard to read. I'm only leading with hand written right now because most of my readers prefer it, but if anyone wants to chime in with Tenma on that I would appreciate it.
You could always split the difference and make a font from your own handwriting. I've used YourFonts before, and the end product was good, but I think I just prefer the pre-made ones.
Hey, that looks like a great middle ground. I'll give it a shot, thanks for pointing me in that direction.

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