Death Panels for All! The health care thread

[Killbert-Robby]

Everything besides like, experimental cancer fighting techniques and cosmetic surgery. At least in my experience, maybe in other countries its different.

[Alias Pseudonym]

I may be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure that the difference between "the pill" and "the morning after pill" (plan B as it's commonly called now) is that with the one you take every single day regularly, it stops you from ovulating (i.e. there is no egg there for the sperm to fertilize) while the plan B morning-after pill forces you to menstruate, thus preventing a fertilized egg from implanting.

Yeah, that's true, I meant the morning after pill, not The Pill capital letters. And I agree, it should only really be an issue when terminating a pregnancy that's been detected, since by that point the odds of it coming to term are very good. You should avoid the Plan B pill more because it's unpleasant rather than unethical.

In Canada, our universal health care would probably get you your blood tests. Medication can be more iffy, I need ADHD meds and they're only paid for cause my dad's job has insurance. Also, optical and dental stuff you have to pay for. For example orthodontists who give you braces for like 6 months yet fail to fix your teeth? (Rage.)

Basically, you can walk into a clinic any time you want and get a checkup here. There'll be a wait but eventually they'll get to you.

[Komiyan]

Everything besides like, experimental cancer fighting techniques and cosmetic surgery.

Cosmetic surgery is covered in some cases, but it's a bit complex. For instance, I have a friend who has a small scar on his face- he's been on an NHS waiting list to have it dealt with for most of his life. However, it doesn't impact on him or cause him emotional distress. If it did he'd be higher up the list.

Still, though, the list exists.

[Killbert-Robby]

Everything besides like, experimental cancer fighting techniques and cosmetic surgery.

Cosmetic surgery is covered in some cases, but it's a bit complex. For instance, I have a friend who has a small scar on his face- he's been on an NHS waiting list to have it dealt with for most of his life. However, it doesn't impact on him or cause him emotional distress. If it did he'd be higher up the list.

Still, though, the list exists.

Huh, live and learn. Though I'm guessing the NHS doesn't cover boob jobs, tucks and liposuction?

[Komiyan]

Everything besides like, experimental cancer fighting techniques and cosmetic surgery.

Cosmetic surgery is covered in some cases, but it's a bit complex. For instance, I have a friend who has a small scar on his face- he's been on an NHS waiting list to have it dealt with for most of his life. However, it doesn't impact on him or cause him emotional distress. If it did he'd be higher up the list.

Still, though, the list exists.

Huh, live and learn. Though I'm guessing the NHS doesn't cover boob jobs, tucks and liposuction?

It covers breast reduction, I believe, with a similar waiting list, since that does affect your health. You CAN have implants on the NHS, if it is seriously affecting your mental health, and it's a very hard process to go through- psychiatrist checks and the like.

[Killbert-Robby]

Live and learn even more-so. The wonders of national healthcare.

[Ti-Phil]

I had heard it covered breast reduction, but not augmentation O_o

[Ahaugen]

breast reduction is a very important preventative surgery. prevents back problems later in life

[Bustertheclown]

Politics as usual inevitably wins out over integrity, as Democrats now play down the public option. The fuckers have it in their grasp, and all they have to do is stick to the agenda, but instead they let themselves be bulldogged by the lobby. After all, and let's be honest here, folks, this wouldn't even be a debate if it didn't threaten the bottom line of one of the biggest and most powerful industries out there. All of this "Americans don't want it" talk, that's bullshit. I've been paying attention to the talk, and those who don't want it seem to be a clear minority.

This is ridiculous. Once again, these people are going to slither their way out of making actual reform, and they're going to do their level best to try to convince us that they did what we wanted. "We quashed this issue for you," these spineless worms will repeat to us as a mantra, "you didn't want this! Didn't you see the clips of the town hall meetings? Don't you remember the weirdos and shills screaming about fascism? That was you, America. You have spoken, and we have listened!"

And what are the alternatives? What will we be left with? Forced insurance? That would be just dandy. Let's pump even more money into the broken system. Let's make insurance companies richer and more powerful. That's reform. Human well-being should definitely be a for-profit venture, so let's make it compulsory. God bless Capitalism, and God bless America!

[Dracomax]

the public option would not be an actual reform. At best it would be a quick fix that would cost an administration already far worse in debt than the previous 3 administrations put together billions more. It's not sustainable, and it doesn't address the actual problem--that health care is too highly priced.

Not that I'm against a public option at a time when wwe have the economic stability to afford it, but I truly beleive that actually fixing health care is more important. Right now, we have a system that allows health care companies to fix prices, where malpractice insurance costs doctors so much that they are forced to pass on the price on, and where medicines can not be bought by the people they were designed for because of price point. On the other hand, we have shyster doctors with little to no accountablity(they move from state to state, sometimes killing dozens before they are discovered) Hospitals struggling to survive while providing less and less service, people being bilked into buying unnecessary medications and procedures in the name of a quick buck.

These are things that congress can legislate without a public health option, and things for which a public health option would do little, if not make worse. I really think it would be better to fix the gaping wound first, before we put a bandage over it.

[Ti-Phil]

Another good point for free health care.

Tomorrow my girlfriend has to go to the clinic and it won't cost her a thing, just a little wait with a good book.

[Killbert-Robby]

the public option would not be an actual reform. At best it would be a quick fix that would cost an administration already far worse in debt than the previous 3 administrations put together billions more. It's not sustainable, and it doesn't address the actual problem--that health care is too highly priced.

Not that I'm against a public option at a time when wwe have the economic stability to afford it, but I truly beleive that actually fixing health care is more important. Right now, we have a system that allows health care companies to fix prices, where malpractice insurance costs doctors so much that they are forced to pass on the price on, and where medicines can not be bought by the people they were designed for because of price point. On the other hand, we have shyster doctors with little to no accountablity(they move from state to state, sometimes killing dozens before they are discovered) Hospitals struggling to survive while providing less and less service, people being bilked into buying unnecessary medications and procedures in the name of a quick buck.

These are things that congress can legislate without a public health option, and things for which a public health option would do little, if not make worse. I really think it would be better to fix the gaping wound first, before we put a bandage over it.

But like, all the problems you mentioned can be fixed with universal health...

[RPin]

The health care is unsustainable debate sounds really stingy when you tally your military expenses in this last decade. If you guys have money to start wars on other countries for no real reason, sure you can hack up some more to take better care of your people.

[Komiyan]

The health care is unsustainable debate sounds really stingy when you tally your military expenses in this last decade. If you guys have money to start wars on other countries for no real reason, sure you can hack up some more to take better care of your people.

Add that to the fact that many other, far FAR poorer countries can afford it, and well...

[Grabmygoblin]

alls I knows is that I'd rather trust a government bureaucrat than a private market bureaucrat with my coverage. I don't think we'll get a real public option this time around, but we seem to at least be getting a framework to build off of easily.

the news this week has been hilarious, I love teabaggers and their increasing insanity.

[Soren Frazer]

The health care is unsustainable debate sounds really stingy when you tally your military expenses in this last decade. If you guys have money to start wars on other countries for no real reason, sure you can hack up some more to take better care of your people.

Because military funding and healthcare are the same thing, of course. Soldiers are denied being deployed for pre-existing conditions, shooting someone gives you medical bills that cripple you for life, and every time a war starts from an emergency room visit everyone's healthcare costs go up.

...wait, what?

[Legion]

The health care is unsustainable debate sounds really stingy when you tally your military expenses in this last decade. If you guys have money to start wars on other countries for no real reason, sure you can hack up some more to take better care of your people.

Because military funding and healthcare are the same thing, of course. Soldiers are denied being deployed for pre-existing conditions, shooting someone gives you medical bills that cripple you for life, and every time a war starts from an emergency room visit everyone's healthcare costs go up.

...wait, what?

And the point you're tyrying to make is...?

[Killbert-Robby]

The health care is unsustainable debate sounds really stingy when you tally your military expenses in this last decade. If you guys have money to start wars on other countries for no real reason, sure you can hack up some more to take better care of your people.

Because military funding and healthcare are the same thing, of course. Soldiers are denied being deployed for pre-existing conditions, shooting someone gives you medical bills that cripple you for life, and every time a war starts from an emergency room visit everyone's healthcare costs go up.

...wait, what?

And the point you're tyrying to make is...?

That he totally missed the point
Or being ironic
NOT SURE WHICH

[Komiyan]

The health care is unsustainable debate sounds really stingy when you tally your military expenses in this last decade. If you guys have money to start wars on other countries for no real reason, sure you can hack up some more to take better care of your people.

Because military funding and healthcare are the same thing, of course. Soldiers are denied being deployed for pre-existing conditions, shooting someone gives you medical bills that cripple you for life, and every time a war starts from an emergency room visit everyone's healthcare costs go up.

...wait, what?

You uh, do understand he was talking about budgeting, right? Not medical conditions in soldiers :/

[RPin]

This is why you can't have good things.