Newboxes

Earthboundwish · Post by **Earthboundwish** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:08 am

I was bouncing from webcomic to webcomic via newsbox, and I noticed that some of the ones I ended up at... don't have newsboxes up at all. I tried refreshing, and nope, still no newsbox in sight... Is this against newsbox policy?

From http://cgwiki.comicgenesis.com/index.ph ... ls/Newsbox:

Note: You should always have your Newsbox prominently on your MAIN comic page.

Just curious. @__@

Joel Fagin · Post by **Joel Fagin** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:24 am

Yes, if they use it they should reciprocate and display it. It's hard to police, though.

- Joel Fagin

Earthboundwish · Post by **Earthboundwish** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:44 am

I would definitely help police if possible, because this sort of thing doesn't seem very fair (although, I wouldn't want to step over any boundaries...). I wouldn't know how to go about doing so, besides newsbox hopping and writing down names and URLs.

Keffria · Post by **Keffria** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:44 am

The problem is, newsboxes aren't listed by a comic's URL; if [Comic X] is taking advantage of the service, a GTC member would pretty much have to know when the newsbox was approved and which forum user-name was attached to it in order to send out an explanatory PM.

The Mortician · Post by **The Mortician** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:31 pm

There is no reason to harass people about it.

Buzz off, earthboundwish.

Kirb · Post by **Kirb** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:03 pm

I was bouncing from webcomic to webcomic via newsbox, and I noticed that Earthboundwish's (the one I ended up at...) don't have original characters at all. I tried refreshing, and nope, still no original characters in sight... Is this against Digital Multimedia Copyright Act and Intellectual Law policy?

From Wikipedia:

Copyright may subsist in creative and artistic works (e.g. books, movies, music, paintings, photographs, and software) and give a copyright holder the exclusive right to control reproduction or adaptation of such works for a certain period of time (historically a period of between 10 and 30 years depending on jurisdiction, more recently the life of the author plus several decades).

Just curious. @__@

The Neko · Post by **The Neko** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:06 pm

Can I help police the enforcement of copyright edicts? I really want to search the net, find every violation and spam them with passive-aggressive private messages with a self-serving subtext.

Kirb · Post by **Kirb** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:10 pm

The Neko wrote:Can I help police the enforcement of copyright edicts? I really want to search the net, find every violation and spam them with passive-aggressive private messages with a self-serving subtext.

I would definitely help police if possible, because this sort of thing doesn't seem very fair (although, I wouldn't want to step over any boundaries...). I wouldn't know how to go about doing so, besides newsbox hopping and writing down names and URLs.

Earthboundwish · Post by **Earthboundwish** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:19 pm

Kirb wrote:I was bouncing from webcomic to webcomic via newsbox, and I noticed that Earthboundwish's (the one I ended up at...) don't have original characters at all. I tried refreshing, and nope, still no original characters in sight... Is this against Digital Multimedia Copyright Act and Intellectual Law policy?

Just curious. @__@

#1. My comic isn't a sprite comic, I draw it by hand.
#2. I state proper credits on every comic page and also at the bottom of the webpage.
#3. There are plenty of fancomics on CG, including http://hellsing.comicgenesis.com/

Your webcomic is clear to come aboard:

* If it uses trademarked characters that you drew yourself, but you recognize the trademarks on your website or in the comic itself.

Kirb · Post by **Kirb** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:23 pm

You miss the point entirely.

I am doing the exact same thing you were doing. Complaining over a technicality that nobody really minds.

Except, my passive-aggressive complaint actually has merit, as I'm pretty sure International Copyright law has presidence over Comicgenesis.

Do you mind if I spam your tagboards? Because I don't really think it's fair.

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:49 pm

Kirb, watch for mallet.
First, the amount and length of these threads in the past means that people do mind.
Second, this is not a technicallity. It's pretty much the most important policy of using newsbox.

I for one used to be somewhat irritated. It's not like you ask people to cramp their page with ads or popups or something like that.
Now, I had a main page where newsbox's iframe was conflicting with other iframes I used, and I spent a lot of hours over that problem. I didn't just go "oh well, noone will care anyway".
While he was on CG, Ghastly had a newsbox even though he definitely didn't need promotion he could get from the rest of CG. He did it mainly as a favour to other artists.
On the other hand, some people just can't be bothered to put one simple box on their page, but still want to use benefits. I used to find that irritating when I was on CG. "Screw people who obey rules and admins who slaved to finish the code for this system, I'm just too lazy to copy/paste few lines of code."

Kirb · Post by **Kirb** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:55 pm

mcDuffies wrote:Kirb, watch for mallet.

Shouldn't that be reserved for the OP, Mcduffies? He is, after all, the one back-seat moderating and spamming on people's tagboards and PMs about the issue.

Keffria · Post by **Keffria** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:57 pm

Also, the official policy right now is that while it would be nice if everyone with a newsbox in rotation could put the newsbox tag on their site, no one cares enough to force them to do so. And it would be great to have the box on a comic's main page, but it's okay to put it in a "links" section, if the alternative is to put it nowhere.

Harassing other people about not using the newsbox tag, however, is probably going to get you reprimanded, so if anyone's doing so, knock it off. If you don't like advertising other people's comics for free, then don't -- pull your newsbox. I don't care.

The Mortician · Post by **The Mortician** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:03 pm

Oh, it is on my site alright.

Just because it is not on the main page doesn't mean it is not on the site. The rotating link banner has nothing what so ever to do with the comic itself. It is advertised, like all my other non-Project ADAM banner links, on the links page. If they want to leave the comic, they can check the links page or hit the little red "x" in the corner.

Earthboundwish · Post by **Earthboundwish** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:12 pm

Kirb wrote:You miss the point entirely.

I am doing the exact same thing you were doing. Complaining over a technicality that nobody really minds.

Except, my passive-aggressive complaint actually has merit, as I'm pretty sure International Copyright law has presidence over Comicgenesis.

I don't see Nintendo or Itoi suing fancomics over on Starmen.net either. I would expect a "cease and desist" notice if I was selling my fancomic in book form, but I don't ever plan on doing that.

I actually switched some of the character's genders around in my fancomic. The whole point of it is to get people who haven't played EarthBound to get interested in playing the game, or for people who have already played EarthBound to enjoy a slightly different version with added detail.

I'll admit it, I put short messages on 2 tagboards to see what kind of reaction I would get. Only 2! I certainly didn't post 99-bajillion messages on them, and I didn't say anything extremely rude. I apologize, I won't do it again. I apologize especially to Mort, since I never thought to check the links section (now I know). Now I am aware of everyone's opinion on the subject and I will shut up. I however, did not PM anyone harassing them about it, so I have no idea what you're talking about there.

The Neko · Post by **The Neko** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:24 pm

earthboundwish wrote: I actually switched some of the character's genders around in my fancomic. The whole point of it is to get people who haven't played EarthBound to get interested in playing the game, or for people who have already played EarthBound to enjoy a slightly different version with added detail.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

Kirb · Post by **Kirb** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:27 pm

earthboundwish wrote:
Kirb wrote:You miss the point entirely.

I am doing the exact same thing you were doing. Complaining over a technicality that nobody really minds.

Except, my passive-aggressive complaint actually has merit, as I'm pretty sure International Copyright law has presidence over Comicgenesis.
I don't see Nintendo or Itoi suing fancomics over on Starmen.net either. I would expect a "cease and desist" notice if I was selling my fancomic in book form, but I don't ever plan on doing that.

I actually switched some of the character's genders around in my fancomic. The whole point of it is to get people who haven't played EarthBound to get interested in playing the game, or for people who have already played EarthBound to enjoy a slightly different version with added detail.

I know this, I was trying to prove a point. You don't see Nintendo or Itoi suing fancomics, even though, like it or not, it is illegal and if they actually knew of them, would probably not approve.

I'll admit it, I put short messages on 2 tagboards to see what kind of reaction I would get. Only 2! I certainly didn't post 99-bajillion messages on them, and I didn't say anything extremely rude. I apologize, I won't do it again. I apologize especially to Mort, since I never thought to check the links section (now I know). Now I am aware of everyone's opinion on the subject and I will shut up.

I had a special place for the newsbox in my extras page as well. But I'm glad you're apologizing and I accept the apology. No harm done.

The Mortician · Post by **The Mortician** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:30 pm

Earthboundwish wrote:I however, did not PM anyone harassing them about it, so I have no idea what you're talking about there.

The PM thing was my fault. I apologize.

I said earlier to someone (in anger) that you sent out an addition PM and email about it without checking into what the email and PM I received was about, assuming (in anger) they were from you "getting the message across".

That isn't the case.

I was just more annoyed than anything that I (just yesterday) publicly asked people to post in the tagboard/C-box/forum (since they are not being used) if people liked the comic, the first person I don't know off hand posting in it is complaining about some minor technicality that hasn't been tightly enforced on CG in the year and a half that the comic has been going at it.

Thank you for understanding my opinion, apology accepted.

Zwuh · Post by **Zwuh** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:41 pm

This topic is depressingly civil.

ShineDog · Post by **ShineDog** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:27 am

Can you blame people for hiding it in the Links page?

Look at the ass-trash that the newsbox (silly name) is filled with, I wouldnt want that shitting up my comic page.

MORE QUALITY CONTROL.

Also! haha fancomic.