Like or hate Furry Comics?

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jekkal wrote:... So gag-a-day's need lots of thought into why you want to have two girl snakes talking in a bar about how eating mice makes their butts look so big?

Thought is needed, yes. I didn't say it needed MUCH thought. If you want to argue that most comics need to put some level of thought into their work, by all means I would agree with you. But if someone is fascinated by dogs, dragons, or ponies, who would argue that they can't make their entire cast a series of such?

We draw what we care about, and to think that we can only limit ourselves to humans or that furry work somehow must be held to a higher standard than nonfurry work . . . it's just foolish thinking.
I never said that non-furry comics should be let off the hook as far as careful planning goes. My criticism also applies to people who add elves or robots or a catchphrase-spouting black guy to their comic just for the hell of it. People can do whatever they want in their comics, but I won't respect them for it if their expressions aren't accompanied by some sort of logical thought.

(edit: I will freely admit to doing the ZOMG ELVES thing in an old comic. I have since improved my writing abilities.)

I ought not to mention that I neither find the sample gag funny nor approve of such stereotypical and vaguely misogynistic characterizations of women. I could, however, point out that a good gag artist might specifically choose snakes to represent certain female characters in his comic in order to allow a new reader to associate certain personality traits with the characters in question. Are they vain/deceptive/smooth-talking? And, of course, the artist can roll with these associations, or choose to take an animal and then overturn these personality conventions for another effect.

another edit: My own comic features some anthropomorphic characters; it's something I've been thinking about and planning for a while. One of the major themes in AM is this idea that the fantastical has become horribly mundane, to the point where an accurate fortune-teller is pretty nonchalant about his abilities, or a badger in a suit can wander down a city street and not be gawked at.

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So, then, throwing in an animal-like character enforces this by creating a contrast between what the comic-reader thinks ("whoa, hey! he's having drinks with a fox!") and what characters within the comic's universe see ("this guy is an imposing jerk"). And, you know, I could do this by dressing up human characters in odd costumes or having them be of a different race, but the human/animal contrast is far sharper.

I can't deny that drawing anthropomorphic characters can be fun. But justifying their presence in a story is important.
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sincerely wrote:But none of them are as insipid and derivative as this one.

Well I guess the Happy thread is pretty insipid and derivative, but it's at least positive, whereas this thread is just going to devolve into a negative debate over the merits of yet another sub-clique.

Also, it's stupid, and you should feel bad.
Sorry for holding the gun to your head and forcing you to respond--

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NakedElf wrote:
Sorry for holding the gun to your head and forcing you to respond--

Oh wait.
Look who can't stay on topic in her own threeeaaad!

Teehee.
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The Neko wrote:
jekkal wrote:
We draw what we care about, and to think that we can only limit ourselves to humans or that furry work somehow must be held to a higher standard than nonfurry work . . . it's just foolish thinking.
So, wait, expecting that authors THINK about their designs, work, and diegetic universes is holding something to a HIGHER standard? Haha.
Not all comics have a greatly cohesive universe or continuity yet still succeed in spite of it. See: xkcd.

Would you think about making a comic about humans? No. You'll think about characters, plot, etc. but not about then being humans. So why does making a comic about furries, or triangles, or dots that refer to themselves as God require any more thought? What is so wrong about not having perfectly drawn / perfectly understood humans that anyone who even thinks about the idea has to justify themselves?

If there is a purpose, then great. If there isn't a purpose but it's still a good comic, then why worry?
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jekkal wrote:Would you think about making a comic about humans? No. You'll think about characters, plot, etc. but not about then being humans. So why does making a comic about furries, or triangles, or dots that refer to themselves as God require any more thought? What is so wrong about not having perfectly drawn / perfectly understood humans that anyone who even thinks about the idea has to justify themselves?

If there is a purpose, then great. If there isn't a purpose but it's still a good comic, then why worry?
It generally isn't a good comic, in that case and for that reason.
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Also, if a comic has humans for main characters, why are they so often thin, attractive white humans? Did the authors really thought through that, or did they just draw some characters who were interesting to them?
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Keffria wrote:justifying their presence in a story is important.
I couldn't agree more. D:



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Technically, ADAM hasn't actually justified them completely. It is planned ahead of time to be revealed in the last chapter of every Arc in the comic.

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NakedElf wrote:Also, if a comic has humans for main characters, why are they so often thin, attractive white humans?
According to my wife all of my characters are Asian, even the ones I intended to be caucasian.
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NakedElf wrote:Also, if a comic has humans for main characters, why are they so often thin, attractive white humans? Did the authors really thought through that, or did they just draw some characters who were interesting to them?
No, that's the point - in most cases, they didn't plan it so much as they thought "I THINK SKINNY WHITE PEOPLE ARE TOTALLY HAWT" and then drew a bunch of skinny white people instead of using varied character designs to reflect reality. You're acting like people are imposing harsh standards on furry comics alone, but I assure you I can be just as judgmental about non-furry ones.

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my comic has anthropomorphic animals but I am hesitant to call them furries

main reason is furries are furries either for the purpose of being 'cute' 'sexual' or 'cool' mine are more there of circumstances of the past

sci-fi comic that takes place in the future, at some point in time, the furries who are furries for the above reasons, began geneticly splicing themselves with animal DNA, however doing so, the rest of humanity began rejecting them, thereby forcing them to retreat of to some part of the world where they started their own culture. their descendants through many generations became the anthropomorphic animals in my comic, it basically results in a cold war between them and humans

they're also a highly militaristic nation, as I like to say, these aren't the "oh I'm cute, lets yiff" furries, these are the "here, hold my rifle while I plant this C4" furries
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Hm. Before this thread spirals into a long list of artists' justifications for animal characters, I think I'll just restate my original point: if you can take your anthropomorphic characters and replace them all with humans without losing anything, you're doing it wrong.

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Keffria wrote:Hm. Before this thread spirals into a long list of artists' justifications for animal characters, I think I'll just restate my original point: if you can take your anthropomorphic characters and replace them all with humans without losing anything, you're doing it wrong.

there's more to say about it than that?


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This thread makes me sad and urpy.

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rock_dash wrote:This thread makes me sad and urpy.
This thread makes Rock sad and urpy.
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Why did I read this thread.
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Kirb wrote:Why did I read this thread.
Because you enjoy exercises in futility.
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K-Dawg wrote:
rock_dash wrote:This thread makes me sad and urpy.
This thread makes Rock sad and urpy.
You're both lying. I happen to know for a fact that this thread made Rock do the grinning face at least once! And it was accompanied by a naughty word!

Also, Kirb read this thread because he was trying to stall on doing his homework. Write your paper, Kirb! Write it!
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I read this thread hoping to see a lemur with a huge rack doing a tiger in a very sloppy way.

...and I'm proud.
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Yeah, nice Corgan, now you're giving people ideas! Tah!

My thoughts are that furryness doesn't make a comic suckier necessarily, but that furriness and suckitude have a pretty hefty correlation these days.

Edit: What yeahduff said below me.
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Zwuh wrote: There needs to be a reason for both those things, a-duhuurr. The phrase "token black" may seem familiar.
Heh heh, what?
NakedElf wrote:Also, if a comic has humans for main characters, why are they so often thin, attractive white humans? Did the authors really thought through that, or did they just draw some characters who were interesting to them?
Here we go. It's less a problem when people draw things they're interested in when the end results don't fall in some marginalized sub-genre. No one really thinks of why their characters are drawn the way they are, they just draw what they like. The issue is that some furries are weirdos, and so it's easy to poke fun at the entire genre (or whatever it is).

There doesn't have to be a good reason for the characters to be anthropomorphic animals, the comic just has to work.
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