How do you feel about Update Schedules?

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How do you feel about having a schedule for updates?

I love them! They make it all easier!
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24%
I use them to keep traffic coming to my comic!
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19%
I use them so people will trust me...
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10%
I kinda feel obligated to use them...
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18%
I will, eventually...
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13%
Im afraid that if I do use them, I'll lose my quality...
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Im not sure if I could meet the deadlines...
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6%
I don't use them because I update frequently, so who cares?!
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2%
I hate schedules, they suck!
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8%
 
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Dutch! wrote:So those of us making our comics for a few are not as worthy of the internet as those who are aiming to mass produce another genre cliched piece of work whose primary goal is to mass readers?

Sounds a little... wrong.

QFT!

This thread is so shaming for me :oops: I am the worst updater ever. If I am unhappy with how something looks I will delay the update until I fix it.
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Post by Perk_daddy »

I've actually been thinking about this quite a bit, and this thread has helped me come to a decision. My comic has been updated usually weekly, but on no set day. I've committed myself to making smaller but more frequent updates, starting with every Tuesday and Friday. This is more for myself than for my readers, (but I think they'll like it better, too); I want to eventually be disciplined enough to update daily, and this will be my first baby step. Wish me luck and stuff!
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One thing I learned the hard way is that there is such a thing as making a comic too nice. I remember once spending literally hours on a single panel, trying to detail the interior of this Mongol yurt... no one cared. :( I guess what I'm saying is that while it's fun to make something superamazingawesome, most folks are only going to spend a few seconds looking at it.
I found myself having this problem, and decided to simplify my backgrounds, using shape tools to make them, rather than drawing out every detail. Bonus, the characters stand out a little better now too. And they don't take nearly as long, which means happier scheduling.
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One thing I learned the hard way is that there is such a thing as making a comic too nice. I remember once spending literally hours on a single panel, trying to detail the interior of this Mongol yurt... no one cared. :( I guess what I'm saying is that while it's fun to make something superamazingawesome, most folks are only going to spend a few seconds looking at it.
But it does matter! You probably upped your skill level doing it- and people DO notice these things, even if it's only subconsciously.
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If I didn't use a schedule, I doubt I'd ever get around to drawing my comic at all. Even though I don't have many readers yet, I'd like them to know there's gonna be a new comic every update day.
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Dutch! wrote:So those of us making our comics for a few are not as worthy of the internet as those who are aiming to mass produce another genre cliched piece of work whose primary goal is to mass readers?

Sounds a little... wrong.
Uh... I don't think we're on the same level here. I'm neither making my comic for a few people nor mass producing it for many. In addition I never stated I believed anyone did mass produce their work purely for an audience (and I hope I didn't sound like I did, I wasn't trying to). I just said that if I have too much trouble making the schedule I won't sacrifice my comic quality for it. Considered a few life obstacles that are coming up fast I may be having less and less time to work on it. That being said, I figure I can manage it even without sacrificing quality.
NakedElf wrote:Make up your mind. Either you make a comic for yourself, or you make it for the internet. A comic with 20 strips isn't going to have a forum. Not a forum with anyone in it. The comics with successful forums are comics like The Devil's Panties with thousands of readers and years worth of comics. If you want a forum, you're going to have to do something which'll attract large amounts of people.~

~So make up your mind about what you want to do, and then ignore all of the crap that has nothing to do with that. ^_^
Heh, you should coin that one. Don't worry, I may not be giving up on any details but I think I can manage a schedule even with the odd difficulties. I didn't mean for this to become even vaguely an argument either, I'm grateful for the opinions of people who have been in this venue longer then I have - after all, technically, I'm the newbie here. I dunno, we'll see, even if the comic doesn't become popular, I still like knowing that people can come and read it, and maybe it more of a way to reassure myself.

Basically the comic comes first, and if I can keep with the viewer's wishes as well, then all the better!
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Dutch! wrote:So those of us making our comics for a few are not as worthy of the internet as those who are aiming to mass produce another genre cliched piece of work whose primary goal is to mass readers?

Sounds a little... wrong.
Seeing as it's not what I said, that might be why it sounds wrong.

Obviously the internet is a great tool for sharing comics. It's much easier to keep track of them, make them look nice (mm, archives,) and show them to friends who don't live nearby if they're on the internet. So win for the internet.

But if your intention is fundamentally to create a comic which is for your own personal expression and you don't care about readers, then things like update schedules aren't all that important. Same for advertising. There are aspects of the internet-comic thing which you just don't need to care about as much, because while they might be relevant to someone who is trying to get their comic popular, they're not relevant to you.

By contrast, if your goal is to have an extremely popular comic, then you may have to have different priorities. This means things like advertising, a regular update schedule, and broad appeal. To draw an example from print comics, Garfield is one of the most popular comics ever, not because it's good (it's really not,) but because it has a few jokes recycled 10billion times, people like grumpy cats, and it 'updates' every day.

Now, can you do something for yourself and still be popular? Sure. People have done it. Look at Penny Arcade or Something Positive. But PA coincidentally happens to have an extremely popular subject matter (gaming), is pretty funny most of the time, and has a regular update schedule.

If your personal comic doesn't have extremely broad appeal, then your choices become more limited. A comic about math, say, while uproariously funny to math majors, will never be popular with the general public.

I can say, I'm going to make my math comic anyway, and math people will like it, and that's that. And that's perfectly fine. But it means I'm going to have different priorities when writing my math comic than if I were writing a comic aimed at, say, people who like dogs.
princess wrote: QFT!

This thread is so shaming for me :oops: I am the worst updater ever. If I am unhappy with how something looks I will delay the update until I fix it.
Aww, honey, you know we love you. ^_^ Besides, your comic feeds directly into my LJ, which makes the updating irrelevant to me (aside from me sitting around going 'want more comics!')
princess wrote:But it does matter! You probably upped your skill level doing it- and people DO notice these things, even if it's only subconsciously.
You're right, of course. But I think I would have been better off producing paintings of Mongol yurts which people would take seriously as 'art' (hahaha). (I'm vaguely trying these days to get out and do artistic things which aren't comics, in the hopes that improvement out there will make the comics improve...)
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ArcoJawa wrote:Uh... I don't think we're on the same level here.
That's okay. My response wasn't to your post, but the one after yours, the one immediately preceding mine. :)
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Dutch! wrote:So those of us making our comics for a few are not as worthy of the internet as those who are aiming to mass produce another genre cliched piece of work whose primary goal is to mass readers?

Sounds a little... wrong.
Seeing as it's not what I said, that might be why it sounds wrong.
It's mainly in response to your comment asking if we're not making a comic to be read by the masses out in the public, then why are we even on the internet.

Your further comments rebutting my quote are correct, but there's very little of that, if any at all, in the post I was answering. That's all.
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One draws, therefore they are?

I tend to think that schedules encourage discipline. I find it hard to believe there is anyone out there that only draws for self pleasure and doesn't want ANYONE to ever read their stuff.

The only real issue is what kind of audiance they seek and the kind of dedication they have.
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Dutch! wrote: Seeing as it's not what I said, that might be why it sounds wrong.
It's mainly in response to your comment asking if we're not making a comic to be read by the masses out in the public, then why are we even on the internet.

Your further comments rebutting my quote are correct, but there's very little of that, if any at all, in the post I was answering. That's all.[/quote]

My apologies for being unclear; it's one of the side effects of being long-winded. I hope I sufficiently clarified myself?
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Aw, don't worry about apologising. She'll be jake. :)
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Only if she changes name. :P

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Well, the MWF schedule will replace my daily one. I can't draw comics everyday! >.> I overestimated mahself.
I got a two week burnout because of that stupid schedule.
Oh well at least I get to make comics during the weekend and they'll get to update automatically over the next week.
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No matter what statement I say...

I can't believe the number of times I have been proven wrong! D:
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Maybe I have a different perspective since I, sadly, can't draw. One advantage to this is that my comics take less than half an hour to do, so mine is more like 90% inspiration and 10% perspiration, and that's only on hot days. I have two kinds of comic: ones where I have an idea and make it into a comic, and ones where I haven't been able to think of anything but I have to do a comic because of the deadline. There are lots of things I wouldn't have been able to come up with if it weren't at the last minute. Many people have told me that they like my comic a lot, and I often wonder how that could be true. Having a schedule tends to push that out of my head and replace it with "YOU HAVE TO DO A COMIC NOW!!!"
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Redtech wrote:No matter what statement I say...

I can't believe the number of times I have been proven wrong! D:
Ah, OBS is just faking it. I bet he wants his comic to be read as much as anyone, he just doesn't wanna be associated with it. :P

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We don't have schedule because we know we'd never be able to stick to it. And then it's just disappointing for everyone involved.

Also, makes the comic more of an obligation than fun. And that's garbage.
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OBS wrote:
mcDuffies wrote:
Redtech wrote:No matter what statement I say...

I can't believe the number of times I have been proven wrong! D:
Ah, OBS is just faking it. I bet he wants his comic to be read as much as anyone, he just doesn't wanna be associated with it. :P
I'm actually quite ashamed of it.
Hah! Who isn't ashamed of their comics?

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Hah! Yeah, sure!

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At the end of the day, it is what you do with it that counts!
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