Plagiarism?

The Neko · Post by **The Neko** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:02 am

There's no "NEED" per se. But the bad writing attracted criticism like a moth to a flame.

Komiyan · Post by **Komiyan** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:20 am

Dave Against The Machine wrote:Point me to the section that says bad writeing means I need to deface someone's comic.

Oh boo bloody hoo, he'll just have to cry himself to sleep on his big pile of money he makes soley from running his webcomic.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:56 am

It's okay to hate things if they are bad. Especially if they are really, really bad.

Black Sparrow · Post by **Black Sparrow** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:06 am

Legion wrote:It's always puzzled me how normally genial people here can get so vindictive whenever this artist comes up in conversation.

Ditto, and I've read the comic. It's bad, yes, but not bad enough to warrant these sorts of reactions, in my opinion.

It's stupid, how hateful some CGers can be (yeah, I'm guilty of pointless hate myself). Contempt is part of human nature, but does it need to be aired out in public like this?

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:22 am

Far from me wanting to instigate another DD-hate thread, but I couldn't leave the image given here, that Mookie is some nice guy who is cool and reasonable and ignores douchebags and flamers who keep sticking on him just because they're jealous and whatnot. Truth is that he cut every communication with fans that isn't sheepish praise, and ignores not only un-fans like Dookie, but also his own former fans who are worried about the descending state the comic is in.

And yes, that comic is really, really, really bad. Bad writing and art is one thing, but this comic just has it's heart in the wrong place.

Komiyan · Post by **Komiyan** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:34 am

Black Sparrow wrote:
Legion wrote:It's always puzzled me how normally genial people here can get so vindictive whenever this artist comes up in conversation.
Ditto, and I've read the comic. It's bad, yes, but not bad enough to warrant these sorts of reactions, in my opinion.

It's stupid, how hateful some CGers can be (yeah, I'm guilty of pointless hate myself). Contempt is part of human nature, but does it need to be aired out in public like this?

But it's FUNNY! Sorry, but stuff like Nervous Spy did and Durgan did is just plain ol' funny. It's not like I'd punch the guy if I saw him coming down the street or something.

Perhaps I've spent too much time at other forums, but this really isn't excessive vitriol, it's just not Happy Cloud Fuzzy Bunny Land like we're used to. Seriously, it could be much, much worse.
Besides:

It's okay to hate things if they are bad. Especially if they are really, really bad.

Spqrblues · Post by **Spqrblues** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:47 am

Komiyan wrote:Besides:
It's okay to hate things if they are bad. Especially if they are really, really bad.

Now, is it true he makes an income from his comic? (I am apparently blind to snark today.) If it's not actually popular, I can't see spending any energy on hating it

If it really is popular and profitable, maybe we should all try being really, really bad for a year and socking away some cash, I'm just saying. I could use some cash.

Komiyan · Post by **Komiyan** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:53 am

spqrblues wrote:
Komiyan wrote:Besides:
It's okay to hate things if they are bad. Especially if they are really, really bad.
Now, is it true he makes an income from his comic? (I am apparently blind to snark today.) If it's not actually popular, I can't see spending any energy on hating it If it really is popular and profitable, maybe we should all try being really, really bad for a year and socking away some cash, I'm just saying. I could use some cash.

He lives entirely from money made from his webcomic, yes.

...no, I have no idea how, or I'd be doing it too.

Noise Monkey · Post by **Noise Monkey** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:19 am

I'm sure that a large part of it deals with how much you like ramen.

Adobedragon · Post by **Adobedragon** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:54 am

I'm sure that a large part of it deals with how much you like ramen.

Mmm, Ramen. *drools*

I find an interesting parallell between Dominic Deegan (DD) fandom/anti-fandom and that of Laurell K. Hamilton (LKH), author of the bestselling Anita Blake series.

Hamilton keeps churning out books of questionable quality and they sell like hotcakes to frothing-at-the-mouth fangirls. Along the way, however, she's managed to acquire hordes of haters, most of them former fans. For example, this <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/lkh_lashouts" target="_blank">LJ community</a>.

As with DD, the "haters," have similar complaints: a Mary Sue protagonist; a writer who refuses to listen to any criticism, etc. I get the impression many feel betrayed by the author, having been given a series with potential that dissolved into crass Mary Sue-ism (and really bad porn).

Moral of the story? Hell hath no fury like a disappointed fan.

Spqrblues · Post by **Spqrblues** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:40 am

adobedragon wrote:Moral of the story? Hell hath no fury like a disappointed fan.

Yeah, I spend a lot of time at the LOST Bitterness Fiesta message board.

Part of the success of such enterprises might come from zeroing in on what the "neediest" subset of your fans really, really wants--whether it's MarySue-ism, porn, violence, whatever; and just giving them what they want, easily, over and over, without expanding and taking chances. Who wouldn't want a little daily sex (porn) or sublimated sex (violence)? Then you've locked in certain fans with a steady diet, and you can keep it coming and not give the fans any chance to wander away, because the next installment can be supplied quickly. I don't read LKH or DD, so I can't say anything specific against them or their fans, so take the above as general musings.

I don't think I can even get my brain around trying to emulate that sort of thing. I'd rather earn hardcore fans because I keep getting better and they keep wanting to come back and see that process. That's harder work, though

El · Post by El » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:56 am

I hadn't heard of either Dominic Deegan or Dominic Durgan before this thread...(yah still relatively new in the webcomics world,) I'm getting to quite like Dominic Durgan though...

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:20 am

I actually harbor some amount of sympathy for Mookie himself.

But finding out I wasn't the only one tearing his hair out over how bad that comic got was very cathartic. Please understand that those of us who really, really hate DD had to spend the time trying to like it first. Learn from our mistake.

Adobedragon · Post by **Adobedragon** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:42 pm

Yeah, I spend a lot of time at the LOST Bitterness Fiesta message board.

Hee. I forgot how much fun Television Without Pity forums can be.

Thanks for the linky.

CSchaefer · Post by **CSchaefer** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:17 pm

spqrblues wrote:If it really is popular and profitable, maybe we should all try being really, really bad for a year and socking away some cash, I'm just saying. I could use some cash.

Nah, there's more to it than that. I've been bad for nearly a year and haven't made a dime, and there's folks who have been bad even longer than I have. Badness is only one part of the mysterious equation.

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:34 pm

spqrblues wrote:
Komiyan wrote:Besides:
It's okay to hate things if they are bad. Especially if they are really, really bad.
Now, is it true he makes an income from his comic? (I am apparently blind to snark today.) If it's not actually popular, I can't see spending any energy on hating it

Hating is easy. Doesn't require any energy at all.

Actually, it's only when I saw all the ex-fans pouring to Cornstalker for the occasion of bashing DD, even more critical than I was, was when I realised how large this phenomenon of alienation of DD fans was.

McGravin · Post by **McGravin** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:53 pm

spqrblues wrote:If it were someone doing this with my art, if they used the entirety of my art just with different words (as it's been described here), I'd sue their heart-patterned underdrawers off for going beyond the legal limits of fair use and parody.

I fully support you, man!

(I've got you beat. I'm not wearing any underwear.)

edit by GD Mod (pierce_studios): It was requested of me that the link be removed, all other parts of the post are intact.

LibertyCabbage · Post by **LibertyCabbage** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:56 pm

McGravin wrote:
spqrblues wrote:If it were someone doing this with my art, if they used the entirety of my art just with different words (as it's been described here), I'd sue their heart-patterned underdrawers off for going beyond the legal limits of fair use and parody.
I fully support you, man!

(I've got you beat. I'm not wearing any underwear.)

TEH WIN.

Dominic Durgan · Post by **Dominic Durgan** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:38 am

Dave Against The Machine wrote:Point me to the section that says bad writeing means I need to deface someone's comic.

Treaty of Internet wrote:Paragraph 19, Section 2, Clause ii:
Bad art may be used as legitimate grounds for the act of visual mocking (ie, photoshop/paint). Sufficiently clichéd bad art requires mocking.
Paragraph 19, Section 2, Clause iii:
In addition, bad writing is also legitimate grounds for visual mocking. Sufficiently clichéd bad writing similarly requires mocking.

So I'm just doing my civic duty, since Deegan's guilty on both counts.

Robin Pierce · Post by **Robin Pierce** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:19 am

pre-emptive warning: If this thread goes the way the CS thread did, I'm gonna lock it. We don't need to be finished it there, to have it show up here half a day later.

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