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Should great European authors and artists be taught to (and emulated by) non-European peoples?

No. Shakespeare should not become the puppet of white supremacists.
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No votes
Yes. They're better off.
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15%
No. Every culture is beautiful and special in its own way. No culture needs Dante to be worthy of respect.
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5%
Yes. As long as Europeans learn something else in return from non-Europeans.
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50%
Yes. + Australia ought to have been conquered by the Japanese.
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5%
No. There are no great artists. Everything is subjective.
5
25%
 
Total votes: 20

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swordsman3003 wrote:
Foolosophy wrote:
Lulujayne wrote:I beg to differ, Foolosophy, there is only one English, and that is The Queen's English. However, seeing as none of us speak it I do declare this thread to be full of savage babble and therefore not worth the 1's and 0's it is printed in.
I have to bow before your superior use of logic and will withdraw my previous statement and claim the opposite XD
Linguistics will teach you that there's really so such thing as any one language, but rather that languages fall into vague, almost subjective groups.
don't worry, next summer I'll be starting with my diploma thesis in English linguistics. I'm sure I'll manage to get a basic grasp of linguistics by then :roll:

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You will be writing it in Pig Latin I hope.
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Onwae orphosyntacticmae ariationvae inwae rittenwae Haniangae Englishae
- Awae ewspapernae orpuscae analysisae


thx lulu, this is going to impress ma homies fo' real!

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Language would probably be best represented as a very complex venn diagram of several dialects, some that barely overlap at all. When one pushes beyond what you're used to, it's not that it's not your language anymore, it's just another subset outside of your own. The need for a common language still exists, but that doesn't rule out the use of other ranges as well. You're not going to get very far speaking only a narrow dialect, though.

And the US doesn't have an official language, and I don't think it should. What ever language is reasonable will be the one used, regardless of dictate, and I don't like any needless authoritarianism, especially when it's stupidly ethnocentric and fear based. English isn't going to vanish from the face of the earth in our life times, no need to get your knickers in a twist. The best protection giving english official language status could offer is to make it something like french in Quebec, a regional oddity that goes more to show misguided pride than anything.
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Foolosophy wrote:Onwae orphosyntacticmae ariationvae inwae rittenwae Haniangae Englishae
- Awae ewspapernae orpuscae analysisae


thx lulu, this is going to impress ma homies fo' real!
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Shakespeare was an entertainer who gave the public what they wanted, including rape, murder, pratfalling tomfoolery, more rape, dick and fart jokes, remakes of older shows, more murder, bawdy wenches, and more rape and murder. It just "sounds" high-falutin' because it is in another language (specifically, English from over a hundred years ago). And yet it had stories of depth, and actual love. It contained some worthwhile drama, some quality shows. So what was it?

Japan's tales of adventure involved characters who scored with hot chicks and took it to the limit in a manner most extreme (and dangerous). Yet it also involved mighty and moral heroes beating enemies with cunning and creativity. So how good were they?

The Mideast has Arabian nights, legends of the Hashasheen, genies and persians and giant monkey-gods, oh my. This also includes seraglios of the sex sultans, amazing(-ly bloody) battles, and other instances of great epicness. So what's up with that?

Answer: All literature is garbage, there is only one story that stands the test of time as an object of dignity, quality, dignity, courage, truth, and depth. The tale I speak of is the tale of a man who would be a savior, the tale of a man who would fight vampires.

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Lulujayne wrote:
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is that some brainfuck I see thar?
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Xero wrote:
Lulujayne wrote:
... - --- .--. + - .... .- - + - .... .. ... + .. ... + --. . - - .. -. --. + ...- . .-. -.-- + ... .. .-.. .-.. -.--
is that some brainfuck I see thar?
nah it's more code fitting the picture.
brainfuck looks (slightly) different

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I had no trouble with the hex or binary, but I'm not familiar with that one.

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Nithos wrote:Language would probably be best represented as a very complex venn diagram of several dialects, some that barely overlap at all. When one pushes beyond what you're used to, it's not that it's not your language anymore, it's just another subset outside of your own. The need for a common language still exists, but that doesn't rule out the use of other ranges as well. You're not going to get very far speaking only a narrow dialect, though.

And the US doesn't have an official language, and I don't think it should. What ever language is reasonable will be the one used, regardless of dictate, and I don't like any needless authoritarianism, especially when it's stupidly ethnocentric and fear based. English isn't going to vanish from the face of the earth in our life times, no need to get your knickers in a twist. The best protection giving english official language status could offer is to make it something like french in Quebec, a regional oddity that goes more to show misguided pride than anything.
Don't get Quebec at all. English Canada might have a weaker (homegrown, as opposed to Hollywood occupied) film industry than Quebec. But its films are actually more creative, and so is its literature.

People (mostly Arts/French majors) who say that they like Quebecois movies and books just because of "tabarnac" and "calice" piss me off.

Quebec has never produced anything as masterful as "Videodrome" or "The Saddest Music in the World" or "Sissy Boy Slap Party" or "Kenny vs. Spenny" or (in literature) Alisdair Macleod's Collected Short Stories or a few of Margaret Atwood's early poems (before she became a rabid feminist). Or GGC, come to think of it.

Note: when I say "English Canada" I also count authors like Leonard Cohen who speak English but live in Montreal.
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Foolosophy wrote:
Xero wrote:
Lulujayne wrote:
... - --- .--. + - .... .- - + - .... .. ... + .. ... + --. . - - .. -. --. + ...- . .-. -.-- + ... .. .-.. .-.. -.--
is that some brainfuck I see thar?
nah it's more code fitting the picture.
brainfuck looks (slightly) different
Edit: Ah, Morse Code. The +'s were confusing me at first.
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Vedius Pollio wrote: Don't get Quebec at all. English Canada might have a weaker (homegrown, as opposed to Hollywood occupied) film industry than Quebec. But its films are actually more creative, and so is its literature.

People (mostly Arts/French majors) who say that they like Quebecois movies and books just because of "tabarnac" and "calice" piss me off.

Quebec has never produced anything as masterful as "Videodrome" or "The Saddest Music in the World" or "Sissy Boy Slap Party" or "Kenny vs. Spenny" or (in literature) Alisdair Macleod's Collected Short Stories or a few of Margaret Atwood's early poems (before she became a rabid feminist). Or GGC, come to think of it.

Note: when I say "English Canada" I also count authors like Leonard Cohen who speak English but live in Montreal.
I don't get the whole quebecois at all either
they're acting like a bunch of babies over wanting to seperate with no real plan or anything at all

theres very few things I like out of quebec, mostly club 54 and martigras
most of the french i've met have been total twats they will only speak their bastardized french( I learned french french, so I couldn' understand half of it anyways ), its like they didn't realize that theres two languages here, you're only required to be taught it(which I think should be optional) till grade 8
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Xero wrote:
Vedius Pollio wrote: Don't get Quebec at all. English Canada might have a weaker (homegrown, as opposed to Hollywood occupied) film industry than Quebec. But its films are actually more creative, and so is its literature.

People (mostly Arts/French majors) who say that they like Quebecois movies and books just because of "tabarnac" and "calice" piss me off.

Quebec has never produced anything as masterful as "Videodrome" or "The Saddest Music in the World" or "Sissy Boy Slap Party" or "Kenny vs. Spenny" or (in literature) Alisdair Macleod's Collected Short Stories or a few of Margaret Atwood's early poems (before she became a rabid feminist). Or GGC, come to think of it.

Note: when I say "English Canada" I also count authors like Leonard Cohen who speak English but live in Montreal.
I don't get the whole quebecois at all either
they're acting like a bunch of babies over wanting to seperate with no real plan or anything at all

theres very few things I like out of quebec, mostly club 54 and martigras
most of the french i've met have been total twats they will only speak their bastardized french( I learned french french, so I couldn' understand half of it anyways ), its like they didn't realize that theres two languages here, you're only required to be taught it(which I think should be optional) till grade 8
/rant
Totally agree. Their french is an abomination. Give me "Ou sont les nieges d'antan" over that drivel any day.
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1. Yes, I think that European literature should be taught to non-europeans. The world did not begin when North America was "discovered". Also, we look terribly ignorant when we come to Europe and have no idea what people are talking about. I didn't choose the option about Europeans needing to study non-european stuff because from what I've seen, they already study a wide range.

2. I do not understand Ebonics. I get that it's a dialect and everything, but it's just... weird because their dialect is basically just a never-ending stream of grammatical errors and improper verb tenses. I imagine that is what I sound like trying to speak French.

3. Quebecois films are just plain weird. They always seem to have a scene where the entire town has a simultaneous orgasm... (The last one I watched was called something like Le Grand Seduction or something... about a struggling fishing town trying to convince a doctor to move there so they can get a company to build a factory there)

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And now some overheard in NY, for some perspective:

Exact Moment in Time When "Nigga" Finally Lost Every Shred of Its Former Meaning

Kid #1, listening to friend's ringtones: What the fuck is this?
Kid #2: That's John Mayer! Don't you know who John Mayer is?
Kid #1: [Stares silently.]
Kid #2: John Mayer! He's huge! [Turns to address rest of train] Don't you know who John Mayer is? John Mayer is the nigga!

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MistressMaggie wrote:Quebecois films are just plain weird. They always seem to have a scene where the entire town has a simultaneous orgasm... (The last one I watched was called something like Le Grand Seduction or something... about a struggling fishing town trying to convince a doctor to move there so they can get a company to build a factory there)
Yeah, I've seen that movie too. I've also seen a dozen other Quebecois movies, and none of them had simultaneous orgasm scenes.
Also, I would hesitate to criticise Quebecois movies as weird until you've watched anglo-Canadian movies like "The Saddest Music in the World", "eXistenZ", "Dead Ringers", "Surfacing", "Kissed", "Last Night", "WayDowntown"...
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We actually had a whole seminar on Guy Maddin and David Cronenberg a few semesters ago...officially it was a cultural studies seminar focusing on Canada, but we just ended up watching a maddin or cronenberg flick every other week and discussing it the week after...rather pleasent way to get your last cultural studies credit ^^

eXistenZ is overrated, but I really liked Crash and Videodrome

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