letter to dr laura (old classic)

LindaH · Post by **LindaH** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:39 pm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

i know it is oooold, but i never seen it before

Swordsman3003 · Post by **Swordsman3003** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:38 pm

Bookmarked.

Toawa · Post by **Toawa** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:22 pm

I didn't know she renounced Orthodox Judaism in 2003...

Putaro · Post by **Putaro** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:27 pm

Toawa wrote:I didn't know she renounced Orthodox Judaism in 2003...

Neither did I. And what's more, I didn't care.

Aeridus · Post by **Aeridus** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:38 pm

*reads link*

Amen.

Halo299 · Post by **Halo299** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:45 pm

did anybody bother to look for those nude pics of the good Doctor?

because i sure did

thank you google

-halo

Lulujayne · Post by **Lulujayne** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:06 am

Ahhhh, the good old book of leviticus. Fertile ground for argument, ridiculous misunderstandings and out-of-context misinterpretations for many a generation past, present and future

Tellner · Post by **Tellner** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:02 am

Yep. After several years of beating everyone who disagreed with her with the "holier than thou" club she became an aporikos (apostate) because she just didn't like being a Jew anymore. She wasn't much of a Jew before then. She was always doing things like abusing people, backbiting, destroying reputations and making men and women look foolish in front of their spouses. All of these are very grave sins in Judaism. So is hypocrisy.

The Gentiles are welcome to her

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:49 am

tellner wrote:The Gentiles are welcome to her

Pffft, we don't want her either.

ManaUser · Post by **ManaUser** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:58 am

Halo299 wrote:did anybody bother to look for those nude pics of the good Doctor?

because i sure did

thank you google

-halo

Not bad for a total prude. She looks like she's rather enjoying posing naked. Though I have to admit, I've always felt a little conflicted about this one. As much as I love to see people like her proved to be hypocrites, naked pictures are a good thing and it's a shame that her posing nude, not all her usual crap comes out looking like it was the "bad" thing she did. Plus publishing private nude photos of your ex to harm them and/or to make a quick buck is a pretty rotten thing to do.

Aeridus · Post by **Aeridus** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:37 pm

I looked up some of those pics and it's a little odd when some people collage pictures of her now with nude pictures of her then.

No nude pictures of now of course.

Halo299 · Post by **Halo299** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:35 pm

ManaUser wrote:
Halo299 wrote:did anybody bother to look for those nude pics of the good Doctor?

because i sure did

thank you google

-halo
Not bad for a total prude. She looks like she's rather enjoying posing naked. Though I have to admit, I've always felt a little conflicted about this one. As much as I love to see people like her proved to be hypocrites, naked pictures are a good thing and it's a shame that her posing nude, not all her usual crap comes out looking like it was the "bad" thing she did. Plus publishing private nude photos of your ex to harm them and/or to make a quick buck is a pretty rotten thign to do.

you bring up a good point.

as i see it; there is nothing wrong with a girl putting naked pics of herself all over the net for all the world to see. But there is something very wrong with talking a bunch of crap out your mouth. and trying to tell loads of people how to live.

such a strange and messed up world we live in.

the time has come
it is quite clear
our anti-christ
is almost here

-halo

Tellner · Post by **Tellner** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:45 am

There's nothing wrong with naked pictures. There is something wrong with naked pictures taken while you are married and you are cheating on your spouse with another married person.

Honor · Post by **Honor** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:32 am

My favorite bit on this front remains the brilliant employment of it on The West Wing.

President Bartlett has several such moments on that show, and there are lots and lots of similarly brilliant moments for other characters as well...

Still the single best series ever put on television anywhere.

Kittyboymuffin · Post by **Kittyboymuffin** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:01 am

My favorite bit is the Dr. Laura nude pics. No, really, it's about ... someone like her flagrantly nakifying herself ...

Honor · Post by **Honor** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:26 pm

Which just goes to show that you don't get to be someone "like her" without substantial brainwashing during childhood and/or a significant crisis of self identification and recrimination later in life.

The Great Standard for such things in our modern judeo-christian culture, of course, must be Saint Augustine of Hippo, who had a wonderful life of rational thought, excess, and 'sin' until he became mature (read: old, for his day) and began to feel his mortality...

Then, as so often happens, rather than finding solace and wisdom in old age, he got rabbit-assed scared and had a 'revelation' of the most common sort, which usually goes something like: "Well... Now that I've made my Mistakes (read: had some fun) I must do all I can to ensure that nobody else ever does the same."

Thus bringing us to my favorite definition of Morality (originally, I believe, 'Puritanism'): Morality is the deep and haunting fear that someone, somewhere, is having a good time.

Tellner · Post by **Tellner** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:57 pm

It was "Puritan", something along the lines of "A person who is deathly afraid that someone somewhere might be having a good time."

The problem, as I've said before, is that you really are coming from a position of ignorance on this one. There is no such animal as "Judeo-Christian". It's pretty much the creation of spiritual carpetbaggers who want to co-opt the Tribe without actually listening to anything they say. If you know anything at all about Judaism or the worldview that comes with it the whole idea is ludicrous. This isn't a religious forum, so I'll spare you several hundred pages of Talmud, Tanakh and rabbinical commentary. Let's take a big one that brings a lot of other things into sharp relief - sex.

To Pauline Christian doctrine it's evil, a sign of humanity's fallen nature and only to be tolerated. Paul said that the very best Christians were those who cut off their nuts for Jesus. Figuratively? Literally? Who knows? It's a part of the evil world and a result of Adam and Eve's (especially Eve's) sin and Fall. In heaven there are no marriages.

To a Jew sexual union with the beloved is heaven. The connection and unity are quite literally the presence of the Divine in the world. That's why Jews are supposed to make love twice on the Sabbath. There are certainly taboos about sex. All of us have them, you no less than I. But the fundamental belief is that it is a good thing and a religious duty for spouses to have sex and enjoy it. A woman has the right under Jewish law to conjugal relations and orgasms on a regular basis. The man, sad to say, isn't required to get any.

Halo299 · Post by **Halo299** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:16 pm

wow.

i have only known about 1 1/4 jews IRL so i know next to nothing about them. But i had never heard anything like that before.

perhaps that is why mel gibson hates them so much

-halo

Lulujayne · Post by **Lulujayne** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:57 am

A woman has the right under Jewish law to conjugal relations and orgasms on a regular basis

That sounds alot like my religion, Luluism. Only differnce is that the boys get a look in too, after all - you got to spread the joy

Honor · Post by **Honor** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:34 am

tellner wrote:It was "Puritan", something along the lines of "A person who is deathly afraid that someone somewhere might be having a good time."

The problem, as I've said before, is that you really are coming from a position of ignorance on this one. There is no such animal as "Judeo-Christian".

*sighs*

It dismays me whenever you climb up on this paricularly favored and yet spectacularly wrong high horse.

First... I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be an expert in Jewish history or religion or religious law... Nor am I, for the record, anywhere near as ignorant of the same as most non-Jews.

Second, you always seem to fantasize, both without foundation and contrary to information given here that I am viewing Judaism from the position of some Christian background you imagine me to have... I'll repeat, for the record, my family was Christain, on both sides, but I was studying all available options and making my own choices on spiritual matters long before I reached the age of majority.

Third... The term Judeo-Christian, properly used, does not refer to the religious faith of some mythical person or persons who is/are a hybrid of both faiths. While it can sometimes still be used to allude to the fact that Christianity was born of Judaism (which isn't saying all that much... just that Jesus of Nazereth was a Jewish lay rabbi) it is more correctly used to refer to the primary historically recent moral and religious influences on European culture.

I don't know if you missed the memo, but the two religions most in evidence in Europe (and later the Americas) over the past, say, 1500 years were Judaism and Christianty... the culture that arose out of those areas is referred to as Judeo-Christian. The term properly refers to both the common beliefs and values still held by those two religious cultures, and the values thus interwoven into their shared social culture... The predominant set of influences on most of our modern western laws and social pre-conceptions.

To reiterate... "judeo-christian" is now (for, say, the past 80 freekin' years...) much more a socio-cultural term than a religious one.

It's as if I made a mention of western philosophy and you decided to jump all over me because you (incorrectly) assumed I didn't own a well-worn pair of cowboy boots.

I think it's pretty well established that you're the resident expert on Jweish law and history, and very proud and happy to be so. Good. But leaping up into a froth of Rightous Rabbinical Wrath every time someone uses the prefix "judeo-" without first being circumcised and wearing ear-locks is no less tiresome than Christians wailing that the KJVB is the pure and unadultrated word of god.

And yes, it was "Puritan" (Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ widely attributed to H.L. Mencken) but I deliberately do not attribute it, and prefer to substitute "morality" for reasons I feel should be fairly obvious, at this point in history.