MaryxTyphus wrote: most people that I actually talked about it to said they'd rather see a girl with a snake than with any other animal due to the fact that I think for the most part the snake wouldn't care. It'd just lay there or maybe even slither around a bit because it wouldn't feel much.
Snakes have tiny little brains, but they can certainly feel discomfort, pain and fear. They are pretty direct about expressing it. For the most part they think of you as landscape. But if they're hurt or alarmed they will act immediately. Do you really want to get bitten on your girl-parts, and not in a good way?
Yeah I know I'm crazy
It's one of the things we love most about you.
"It is the difference between the unknown and the unknowable, between science and fantasy - it is a matter of essence. The four points of the compass be logic, knowledge, wisdom and the unknown. Some do bow in that final direction. Others advance upon it. To bow before the one is to lose sight of the three. I may submit to the unknown, but never to the unknowable. The man who bows in that final direction is either a saint or a fool. I have no use for either."
Squidflakes, God-Emperor of the Tentacles.
He demands obeisance in the form of oral sex, or he'll put you at the mercy of his tentacles. Even after performing obeisance, you might be on the receiving ends of tentacles anyway. In this case, pray to Sodomiticus to intercede on your behalf.
tellner wrote:
Snakes have tiny little brains, but they can certainly feel discomfort, pain and fear. They are pretty direct about expressing it. For the most part they think of you as landscape. But if they're hurt or alarmed they will act immediately. Do you really want to get bitten on your girl-parts, and not in a good way?
Actually what I meant was that as long as they didn't feel that they'd not care which is actually pretty easy to pull off if you're not dumb enough to put the snake's head inside yourself.
If you have a pet snake that's used to slithering all over the body the snake would just consider the rubbing of the pussy against it's scales as normal touch. I meant the tail naturally and eventually for penetration too but for the most part I considered just rubbing up against the sides of the snake which like I said the snake would just lay there mostly
Sorry I need to be more clear.
It's one of the things we love most about you.
Aww thanks
Mary Mary quite contrary,
How does your garden grow?
With silver bells and cockle shells
And pretty maids all in a row.
You're right, Mary. If it's a laid-back snake (some are just plain mean) that's used to handling it pretty much treats you as landscape. Warm, soft landscape. If you don't fit into one of the other three main categories in its tiny ophidian brain - threat, food, something to mate with - that's what you are.
"It is the difference between the unknown and the unknowable, between science and fantasy - it is a matter of essence. The four points of the compass be logic, knowledge, wisdom and the unknown. Some do bow in that final direction. Others advance upon it. To bow before the one is to lose sight of the three. I may submit to the unknown, but never to the unknowable. The man who bows in that final direction is either a saint or a fool. I have no use for either."
tellner wrote:You're right, Mary. If it's a laid-back snake (some are just plain mean) that's used to handling it pretty much treats you as landscape. Warm, soft landscape. If you don't fit into one of the other three main categories in its tiny ophidian brain - threat, food, something to mate with - that's what you are.
Yeah you do have a point there
Mary Mary quite contrary,
How does your garden grow?
With silver bells and cockle shells
And pretty maids all in a row.
“Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting, ‘Holy shit! What a ride!’ "
~Mavis Leyrer
aeridus wrote:I have a video of a guy fucking a female boa constrictor (apparently snakes have vaginas too) and using its tail to fuck his girlfriend...
A bit bizarre, but I take it the snake had a good meal beforehand and they were very careful and gentle with it, so all is well.
that sounds very...interesting. yeah, thats what we'll call it.
queenhank wrote: Animals are biological computers, and nothing more.
And so are human beings.
you do have a good point there.
all the intellegence crap we attribute to humans is really just our minds trying to trick us into making us feel better.
I'm not trying to come off like one of the PETA guys (but theydo have some good points), sure i'll eat an animal. if an animal attacks me, i'll kill it until it stops (once should be enough), and if an animal is nice to me i'll be nice to it. but i'd do the same to a person....well, not the eating part, perhaps
hmm the more i talk, the more normal human/animal sex sounds
Error of Logic wrote:Dildos aren't sentient beings.
Neither ar animals.
As far as consent goes; if they can't say "Please don't fuck me," then it's all good.
I use the same logic for meat; If they can't say "Please don't eat me," then it's all good.
We could go on about ethics and sentience till half-past doomsday, but when you get right down to it, Animals are animals, sentient or not, all animals have a ingrained desire to have sex, and as such, will fuck just about anything if they get hot enough.
So as long as the act doesn't do any damage to either, It's all good.
The American dream is to prosper by your chosen means, make your own decisions independent from some asshole in a fancy building. to live, love, and die by your own choices and passions.
and to tell the British royalty to eat a bag of dicks.
Major Maxillary wrote:
As far as consent goes; if they can't say "Please don't fuck me," then it's all good.
I use the same logic for meat; If they can't say "Please don't eat me," then it's all good.
We could go on about ethics and sentience till half-past doomsday, but when you get right down to it, Animals are animals, sentient or not, all animals have a ingrained desire to have sex, and as such, will fuck just about anything if they get hot enough.
Umm, bullshit?
The vast majority of animals fuck once in their lives if that. Most are hard-wired as to what they will have sex with. If you don't look right or smell right or do the right sort of dance they just aren't interested. That's assuming it's the right time of year.
Let's take everyone's favorites, dogs. When Papillon, our larger German Shepherd, was unfixed the boy dogs were all after her. She had two ways of saying "Please don't fuck me." The first was to sit down. That's dog for "Please don't fuck me." Her other method started with a snarl and ended with teeth. Try to stick your dick into her. I won't get a tourniquet for you when you bleed to death out of what's left of your dick. Even if I wanted to I'd be too busy laughing.
"It is the difference between the unknown and the unknowable, between science and fantasy - it is a matter of essence. The four points of the compass be logic, knowledge, wisdom and the unknown. Some do bow in that final direction. Others advance upon it. To bow before the one is to lose sight of the three. I may submit to the unknown, but never to the unknowable. The man who bows in that final direction is either a saint or a fool. I have no use for either."
The way I see it... if both sides are haveing a good time, theres really no problem...
It'd just lay there or maybe even slither around a bit because it wouldn't feel much. That's kind of one reason why if I were ever to perform beastiality it'd be on a snake.
Dose that pic I have of you and that snake count as beastiality?
The vast majority of animals fuck once in their lives if that. Most are hard-wired as to what they will have sex with. If you don't look right or smell right or do the right sort of dance they just aren't interested. That's assuming it's the right time of year.
Let's take everyone's favorites, dogs. When Papillon, our larger German Shepherd, was unfixed the boy dogs were all after her. She had two ways of saying "Please don't fuck me." The first was to sit down. That's dog for "Please don't fuck me." Her other method started with a snarl and ended with teeth. Try to stick your dick into her. I won't get a tourniquet for you when you bleed to death out of what's left of your dick. Even if I wanted to I'd be too busy laughing.
You take me far too seriousley.
The American dream is to prosper by your chosen means, make your own decisions independent from some asshole in a fancy building. to live, love, and die by your own choices and passions.
and to tell the British royalty to eat a bag of dicks.
Eh, you're probably right. I got some bad medical news this week, and it's fucked up my sense of humor.
"It is the difference between the unknown and the unknowable, between science and fantasy - it is a matter of essence. The four points of the compass be logic, knowledge, wisdom and the unknown. Some do bow in that final direction. Others advance upon it. To bow before the one is to lose sight of the three. I may submit to the unknown, but never to the unknowable. The man who bows in that final direction is either a saint or a fool. I have no use for either."
queenhank wrote:It's only illegal in some states (assuming you are in the US), and I don't think beastiality porn is illegal in any state, just actually doing it (could be wrong).
As far as my light research job goes, you are correct. Doing it is largely illegal [and thus performing it for the purpose of recording it is also largely illegal], seeing it is not, purchasing things due to content of beastiality also seems not to be illegal [though, as likely would come as no surprise whatsoever, is rather frowned upon]. It is very possible that I’ve missed something, but documentation on the exact specifics of the legal coverage with regard to this subject seems to lack much detail [and as is nearly legal standard, that which isn’t immediately/explicitly implied, or implied through obvious logical links, is thus not covered]. Though it does bring up something rather interesting in law [Likely is true at least somewhat in other countries, but I cannot speak with certainty outside of the united states], that the rules seem to often be put somewhat in strange opposition to each other. The case of beastiality as an example, you can’t do it, but you can enjoy watching others do it, you can own media depicting it, you can sell media depicting it, you can even sell a recording of yourself doing it, you can do it just over a state boarder and immediately walk back to the state where it is illegal and talk openly about your experience to those who just watched you do it. Strange.
Not that it should be illegal to sell recordings of yourself having sex with animals, just that it is a strange set of rules by which we are governed that allow for such things.
I agree with most of the people here. If the zoophile isn't hurting the animal, and the zoophile is either the animal's owner or has the owner's permission, and all humans involved are consenting adults, then I can't think of any legitimate reason to forcibly stop another human from having sex with an animal. As far as consent goes... If it runs away, bites, etc., then it either is being hurt or, if not, being restrained would prevent it from running away if it did get hurt, so no screwing it. If it's nervous by the new and unusual situation but can be gently coaxed into participating, then I guess that's okay.
As for the people who want to marry animals (for romantic reasons, not funny legal reasons like the goat guy, in which case I have no opinion but to laugh), I find that absolutely ridiculous. Marriage is a social institution created by a singularly intelligent species known as humans. While animal intelligence varies widely, the person seeking to marry an animal would first have to prove that the specific animal had the mental capacity of a human who was old enough to get married in that jurisdiction, and was capable of understanding and meaningfully communicating consent to marriage. Lotsa luck fulfilling any of that.
If I can play psychoanalyst for a moment, I think that people who insist that they're truly in love with an animal in the same way humans love other humans probably has some major issues in regards to forming relationships with their equals, meaning fellow humans. (Alternatively, they may simply be too immature and have too immature a perception of what marriage really is to be able to differentiate between really liking to fuck and being able to have a practical, functional marriage relationship. Like idiot kids who get married young because they're sure they'll eternally "love" the person they're currently in lust with.) A few species are intelligent enough to form some degree of a mutually acknowledged and appreciated relationships (QueenHank and I will have to just agree to disagree on this, though I do agree that relationships with animals are sometimes largely or totally projected onto the animal by the human), but the fact remains that even the most brilliant member of the most brilliant non-human species is still a long, long way away from having human intellectual and emotional depth and maturity. So basically, someone who insists that they're totally deeply in love with their dog and want to get married would be akin to someone with a doctorate insisting that there was nothing at all unusual or inappropriate about trying to marry someone with severe Down's syndrome. Could they have some form of meaningful human interaction? I don't know enough about severe Down's to say, but for the sake of argument, sure. But could they have a functional, healthy marriage? Hell no. Beyond the ick factor, you just have to wonder... What's wrong with the Doc that s/he doesn't want a relationship with someone even remotely close to being an equal?
~~Jake~~
The three most important things are Freedom, Love, and Honor. Everything else is trivial.
queenhank wrote:
And neither are animals. Although there is just the slightest possibility for dolphins, there is absolutely no evidence that any life-form on Earth besides humans is sentient. All the awareness and intelligence people see in animals is put there in their own mind.
Ehh ... I think you're confusing 'sentient' with 'sapient'.
No. "Sentient" means, in common usage, "self-aware", which does kind of encroach upon the meaning of "sapient". However, I am (for once) not using the common usage, but rather using it in the sense that one who is spiritually inclined might define as having a "soul". Animals are not, in my opinion, beings. They are life-forms, in that they reproduce biologically, and that is as close as they get. All their seeming "thought" is simply a series of evolutionarily programmed responses to stimuli. And yes, one could argue the same is true of humans, but since we make the definitions, we get to include ourselves wherever we want to.
Animals are biological computers, and nothing more. I know it's not a popular opinion, but I suppose that's what makes it an opinion, and not "common knowledge". They eat, they sleep, they breathe, they shit, they fuck, they're born and they die. Nowhere in there do they "think" in any meaningful way. As such, I do not see them as having the capability to consent, nor the right of consent, in much the same way my computer has no say in whether I type this or not.
Edit: for the record, my personal definition of "sentience" is best worded as "capable of independent and original thought".
Actually, apes, in our lifetime, have invented new tools without human help. That qualifies as such. Since chimps are sentient by your definition, why is it ethical to use experimental chemicals on them? Or to basically mutilate them to understand our own physiology better?
*realises I don't post much, but this brought me out*
Wow, I find it rather interesting. Here, there's lots of people who find that beastiality is okay, long as the animal isn't hurt. However, on the furry forum I frequent(ly post on), the general concensus (we do have a couple of zoophiles, but they keep that part quiet) is "That's icky, and you're a sick f***ker to be doing it!"
My personal opinion? "That's icky, and you're a sick f***ker to be doing it!" Now, not going to deny that I have searched it out, and even masturbated to it in the past, but I've stopped. My thought is that animals can't consent, period. It's rape. Even if they're in heat. Even if they're humping your leg.
